I've been can't find this in the Quran.

[Curious Christian]

Where does the Quran say that the Bible has been corrupted?

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah:

Where does the Quran say that the Bible has been corrupted?

"There is among them (Jews) a section <b>who distort the Book with their tongues:</b> (as they read) <b>you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, 'That is from Allah,' but it is not from Allah:</b> It is they who tell a lie against Allah and (well) they know it!" (Surah 3, Ali 'Imran, verse 78).


"But because of their breach of their Covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard: T<b>hey change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the Message that was sent them</b>, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few- ever bent on (new) deceits: But forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): For God loveth those who are kind" (Surah 5, Al Ma'idah, verse 13).


there are few other verses where it shows that the Jews and Christians changed the words to suite their own desires. i will try to quote you more verses later insha'Allah.


Salam


Wael.

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


as salam alykom


Curious, I very well remember u asking the same question on another thread which has been responded to. I will appreciate it if u just do a little search before posting your questions.


BTW, wael, reepi asked or let us say made an argument about Quran and he quoted Ayahs regarding inheritance and u Mash aAllah replied to him. The same points he raised on another thread something like 5 months ago.

[Curious Christian]

Bismillah


as salam alykom


Curious, I very well remember u asking the same question on another thread which has been responded to. I will appreciate it if u just do a little search before posting your questions.


BTW, wael, reepi asked or let us say made an argument about Quran and he quoted Ayahs regarding inheritance and u Mash aAllah replied to him. The same points he raised on another thread something like 5 months ago.

I've noticed several threads disappear before, such as the one about bible prophecy and Quran prophecy..Wel Mel couldn't find it either. So, rather than spend an hour looking for a thread that may/may not be there I thought I'd ask knowing that Wel Mel would provide me with what I am looking for. Any harm done?

[AlShamms]

Peace...


Stumbled across this thread and saw Wael's response. Found it curious that in both the examples given, it was the jews, according to the context, that were charged with altering the words of God. NOT the Jews AND the Christians as Wael commented.


Are there any other verses from the Qur'an that shows where the Christians specifically have been charged with altering the Bible?

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


Thank you Shamms for putting the light on this thread.


Yes there is:


And from those who call themselves Christians<b></b>, We took their covenant, but they have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. So We planted amongst them enmity and hatred till the Day of Resurrection (when they discarded Allah's Book, disobeyed Allah's Messengers and His Orders and transgressed beyond bounds in Allah's disobedience), and Allah will inform them of what they used to do. (Quran 5:14)


And indeed, We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of Messengers. And We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear signs and supported him with the Holy Spirit [Gabriel]. Is it that whenever there came to you a Messenger with what you yourselves desired not, you grew arrogant? Some, you disbelieved and some, you killed.*And they say, "Our hearts are wrapped!" Nay, Allah has cursed them for their disbelief, so little is that which they believe.*And when there came to them (the Jews), a Book (this Quran) from Allah confirming what is with them [the Torah and the Gospel], although aforetime they had invoked Allah (for coming of Muhammad) in order to gain victory over those who disbelieved, then when there came to them that which they had recognised, they disbelieved in it. So let the Curse of Allah be on the disbelievers." (Quran 2:87-90)


As you can see in the second set of Ayahs, Nazarines are included as rejecting what has been revealed in Quran in terms of the advent of Mohammad blessing and peace be upon him, do you find this in your modern Bible AlShamms?? if no then Bible is tampered with.


I dont want to get off topic. But Sobhan Allah, take one example, King James (New version) means there was an old version, children bible, bible of the Protestant church...etc. One may go bible shopping and find difficulty in finding two identical versions. Calling it a version per se indicates several copies which certainly are different. What does this mean to you anyway?????


With all due respect to the translator, the underlined word in the original text is Nazarines as Allah in Quran never used christians.

[reepicheep]

Muslimah, you and Wel_mel_2 have presented this argument before, namely:


<i><b>There is more than one English translation of the bible. Therefore, the message contained in the bible is false.</b></i>


To repeat my response from the previous times you have presented this argument: since you agree with the above statement, I assume you also agree with the following statement?


<i><b>There is more than one English translation of the koran. Therefore, the message contained in the koran is false.</b></i>

[AlShamms]

Good morning.....


Surah 5:14 says: "they have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them." According to Islam, Muhammad and Qur'an were sent to the Chrisitans as well. Is this the "good part of the message" that Christians abandoned? Or is this speaking of parts of the gospel?


Surah 2:87-90 says: "And when there came to them (the Jews), a Book (this Quran) from Allah confirming what is with them [the Torah and the Gospel]" again this seems aimed at the Jews.

do you find this in your modern Bible AlShamms?? if no then Bible is tampered with.

Are you asking if I find any mention of Muhammad in the Bible? And if I don't that means the Bible has been tampered with?

King James (New version) means there was an old version, children bible, bible of the Protestant church...etc. One may go bible shopping and find difficulty in finding two identical versions. Calling it a version per se indicates several copies which certainly are different. What does this mean to you anyway?????

Well in terms of the King James, the first "version" was released in 1611, in the language of the day. An example of a verse looks like this:


John 3:16


(16) For God so loued ye world, that he gaue his only begotten Sonne: that whosoeuer beleeueth in him, should not perish, but haue euerlasting life.


As time went on, that type of language became archaic so the NKJV was produced. An example of a verse looks like this:


John 3:16


(16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


While the nuances in the english language change, those changes do not change the meaning of the verse.


Personally when studying, I use the Amplified Bible.


John 3:16


(16) For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten (unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life.


I'm partial to this version because it expounds on the language, providing definition to give the verse expanded meaning.

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


Shamms, yes I asked if you can find a mention of the Messenger Mohammad blessing and peace be upon him in the Bible.


But regardless of the change of the language style, if I m not mistaken, there are bibles that have been evolving missing certain parts, i.e rejection of homosexuality is one.


Correct me if I m wrong please.

[AlShamms]

Bismillah
Shamms, yes I asked if you can find a mention of the Messenger Mohammad blessing and peace be upon him in the Bible.

Jesus taught his disciples the reason for his birth saying:


Mark 8:31


(31) And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.


The Qur'an denies this teaching from Jesus himself. Based on this issue, I don't see why the Bible would mention the coming of anyone that would deny what Jesus said about himself unless it was a warning.

But regardless of the change of the language style, if I m not mistaken, there are bibles that have been evolving missing certain parts, i.e rejection of homosexuality is one.
Correct me if I m wrong please.

You are absolutely correct. Because there is no government control over the Bible (contrary to popular belief this is not a christian nation), anyone can reprint a Bible. Some have done this with the best care and scholarship possible, while others have had an agenda (like the removing the rejection to homosexuality). It is a testament to the Bible's availability and circulation that we can look at these mistranslations and see them for what they are. Obvious attempts to distort the word of God. They will have their reward.