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Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum...
The Christians normally preach the message of "LOVE" and "KINDNESS" towards others, not only that, but even to love your enemy however, reading what the apostle John taught in his book will show us something different!!!
"Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he has <both</i> </b>the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrineRECEIVE HIM NOT INTO YOUR HOUSE, NEITHER BID HIM GOD SPEED: FOR HE THAT BIDDETH HIM GOD SPEED IS PARTAKER OF HIS EVIL DEEDS.
As we can see, according to the Bible (<i>The Christians God's word</i>), It is not allowed for a Christian to welcome Non Christians in their home or to wish them well. and if a Christian wishes well upon the none Christian, then he or she will be sinning. So actually everytime a Christian is greeting you or wishing you well, he or she is sinning according to the Bible.
So shortly,
-Christians cannot welcome none-Christians into their homes
-Christians cannot wish well upon none Christians
-If Christians do wish well upon a none believer they will be sinning
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<b><i>"During the first two centuries the gospel was taken from place to place by traveling evangelists and teachers. Believers customarily took these missionaries into their homes and gave them provisions for their journey when they left. Since Gnostic teachers also relied on the practice, 2 John was written to urge discernment in supporting traveling teachers. Otherwise, someone might unintentionally contribute to the propagation of heresy rather than truth."</i></b>
Introduction to the book of 2 John
Concordia Self-study Bible.
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Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.
Quote:<b><i>"During the first two centuries the gospel was taken from place to place by traveling evangelists and teachers. Believers customarily took these missionaries into their homes and gave them provisions for their journey when they left. Since Gnostic teachers also relied on the practice, 2 John was written to urge discernment in supporting traveling teachers. Otherwise, someone might unintentionally contribute to the propagation of heresy rather than truth."</i></b>
Introduction to the book of 2 John
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To warn people against false teachers has nothing to do with treating them this way <b>i.e. not to receive them in your homes and not to wish them well</b>. we have got millions of Christian missionaries roaming around the world preaching their faith, and they knock our doors asking if they can enter and <i>'convey the message of Christ' </i>and although we know very well that they are not preaching the truth, but we welcome them in our homes based on the teaching of hospitality that we've learned from our beloved Prophet Muhammad pbuh.
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Bismillah
as salam alykom
reepi, cant you clearly see how the introduction you argued with is in total contradiction to the biblical text??? how can you resolve both?
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Excellent news, wel_mel_2! I am very pleased to learn that muslims are doing everything they can to assist Christian missionaries in spreading the Christian Gospel Message to the world's muslims. Well done!
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Quote:Excellent news, wel_mel_2! I am very pleased to learn that muslims are doing everything they can to assist Christian missionaries in spreading the Christian Gospel Message to the world's muslims. Well done!
HA HA HA ... REEPI, as usual you are avoiding our questions whenever faults are found in your faith, this is the excellent news actually, that you can't provide an answer, therefore you are proving to us again and again that we are on the right track. Alhamdulelah.
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True, reepi, you could do better, I was expecting a clear and direct answer on how to resolve between a biblical clear and direct text and your implied explanation which has no indication to in the original text Wael posted. Pls I m waiting for you to enlighten me and others.
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Wael, in your zeal to attempt to show the christian message of loving your enemy isn't all it's cracked up to be, you over look the first part of the verse for the second:
"If there come any unto you" -- Meaning if any come preaching in the name of Christ
"and bring not this doctrine" -- But do not teach the doctrine of Christ that John taught
"RECEIVE HIM NOT INTO YOUR HOUSE, NEITHER BID HIM GOD SPEED" -- Do not allow this false preacher into your home nor wish him God speed.
It isn't about the non-Christian exactly, it's more focused on the false preacher and instructions on how to handle him.
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Bismillah: Assalamo ALikum AlShamms, glad to see you here again.
Thanks for your reply, let me please ask further questions for better understanding.
Quote:"If there come any unto you" -- Meaning if any come preaching in the name of Christ
So if I come to you as a Muslim preaching in the Name of Allah will you as a Christian treat me better than those "<i>false Christians</i>" who come to you preaching in the name of Christ???
Quote:"and bring not this doctrine" -- But do not teach the doctrine of Christ that John taught
Please note, if I come to you preaching, I would not teach the doctrine of Christ as found in the Bible, so how will you treat me in this case and according to the Bible?
Quote:"RECEIVE HIM NOT INTO YOUR HOUSE, NEITHER BID HIM GOD SPEED" -- Do not allow this false preacher into your home nor wish him God speed.
Do you consider me as a false or a true preacher? Will you kick me out of your home if I am false one?
Quote:It isn't about the non-Christian exactly, it's more focused on the false preacher and instructions on how to handle him.
Ok, if you classify us (Muslims), will we be among false or true preachers? And in both cases are you going to receive us in your home? Will you wish us good speed or you will follow the Biblical command as found in the IIJohn?
Thanks.
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Quote:So if I come to you as a Muslim preaching in the Name of Allah will you as a Christian treat me better than those "<i>false Christians</i>" who come to you preaching in the name of Christ???
The same John gave instructions on how to handle such as you describe:
2 John 1:7
(7) For many imposters (seducers, deceivers, and false leaders) have gone out into the world, men who will not acknowledge (confess, admit) the coming of Jesus Christ (the Messiah) in bodily form. Such a one is the imposter (the seducer, the deceiver, the false leader, the antagonist of Christ) and the antichrist.
Quote:Please note, if I come to you preaching, I would not teach the doctrine of Christ as found in the Bible, so how will you treat me in this case and according to the Bible?
I would do exactly what my Bible instructs me to do, which is not allow you into my home to teach your false doctrine.
Quote:Do you consider me as a false or a true preacher? Will you kick me out of your home if I am false one?
According to the verse I quoted above, my Bible considers you a false preacher, and no, if I knew that I would not allow you into my home.
Quote:Ok, if you classify us (Muslims), will we be among false or true preachers? And in both cases are you going to receive us in your home? Will you wish us good speed or you will follow the Biblical command as found in the IIJohn?
Again, the verse I quoted is very clear and the instructions following are clear as well.
Shamms
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