11-14-2008, 07:34 PM
Peace...
Wael, you sound as if you have read these stories before. And how does the man know how you will react? Why would you react any type of way if you are already familiar with what the Bible says?
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The Arabic Bible!!!
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 Peace... Wael, you sound as if you have read these stories before. And how does the man know how you will react? Why would you react any type of way if you are already familiar with what the Bible says?  Bismillah: Assalamo ALikum. Quote:Peace... Welcome back ASshams... :) Yes AlShamms, I've red those stories and actually I've got my "<b>COLORED BIBLE</b>" where I’ve circled those verses and written a warning on the outer cover that "<b>This book contains adult elements and obscene words, please keep it away from the hands of our children"</b>" Anyway, reading those types of stories in my native language will be totally different, you know. no matter how many languages you may speak, still your favorite language would be your mother tongue, and so I would like to read what Christians describes as being "God's word" in my native language.. That man from USA knows how am I going to feel being an Arab by reading the book of Ezekiel chapter 23, or Genesis 19:30 (those are but 2 examples)...Anyways...the intention of purchasing an Arabic Bible is not only for reading those stories, the Bible is also full of wonderful narrations that go hand in hand with Islam, and so I would also love to read those stories in Arabic. Salam Wael. 
11-15-2008, 01:38 AM
<b>wel_mel_2 wrote: the Bible is also full of wonderful narrations that go hand in hand with Islam, and so I would also love to read those stories in Arabic. </b> You are confusing me again. In the other thread, you stated that you think the Bible is the "most offensive book on the face of the earth". In particular, you said it is more offensive than "The Satanic Verses" by Salman Rushdie and "The Satanic Bible" by Anton LaVey (the book which is the bible for the religion of Satanism). Since, in your own words, the Bible contains "wonderful narrations that go hand in hand with Islam", how can you simultaneously claim that it is the "most offensive book on the face of the earth"? Do you believe that "The Satanic Verses" and "The Satanic Bible" also contain "wonderful narrations that go hand in hand with Islam"? And, if so, can you provide us with some passages from these two books which you think are compatible with Islam? If you cannot provide us with such passages, then how can you claim that the bible (which you say contains "wonderful narrations") is simultaneously "the most offensive book on the face of the earth" and more offensive than "The Satanic Bible" and "The Satanic Verses"???? ************** Curiously, "The Satanic Verses" is banned in (for example) Egypt but the Bible isn't banned. Since muslims believe that the bible is more offensive than "The Satanic Verses", shouldn't the Bible also be banned in Egypt?
11-15-2008, 03:04 AM
Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum. <b>'reepicheep' </b> Quote:You are confusing me again. Don't be confuse, I will clarify further insh a Allah… You see, I don’t doubt for a moment that you are very smart mash a Allah, however you don’t look at what I’ve said as a whole, instead you only pick up few sentences here and there and build upon them a new story. Please remember that I’ve also said on the other thread, post no 21 that: Quote:I don’t have the Satanic verses by Rushdie in my home, but I’ve red it and I still insist that the Bible is more offensive than any other book on earth <b>because you are claiming that it was inspired by God Himself</b>. That what makes it more offensive than any other book written by human being, and so if you can accept that the Bible <b>was the production of man and has nothing to do with God Almighty</b>, then automatically it won't be the <i>MOST</i> offensive book on the face of the earth, but to say that every word, comma and full stop in the Bible is inspired by God, it makes it very difficult for me to teach my children any moral lesson based on those useless stories and offensive terms attributed to God or revealed by Him… THAT <b>WHAT MAKES IT MORE OFFENSIVE THAN ANY OTHER BOOK ON EARTH</b> As for Rushdie’s book or any other book written by man, as I indicated earlier that human being might utter such rubbish, it is expected, but GOD???? It is not befitting for His Majesty to inspire such immoral narrations, and so if the Bible was God’s inspired word, <b>then it is indeed the most dangerous and offensive book on the face of the earth</b>. Quote:Curiously, "The Satanic Verses" is banned in (for example) Egypt but the Bible isn't banned. Since muslims believe that the bible is more offensive than "The Satanic Verses", shouldn't the Bible also be banned in Egypt? Again, you are portraying my own claim about the Bible (<b>i.e. that it is indeed the most offensive book</b>) as it is an idea believed by ALL MUSLIMS… this is wrong, I don't speak on behalf of all Muslims and I don’t know how many Muslims have examined the book and reached to the same conclusion!!! The satanic verses was banned from Egypt (and even from INDIA), because the author abused almost <b>EVERYBODY</b> and not just our beloved Muhammad pbuh and his wives, (<i>but people did not read the book, they think it is only related to Muslims</i>) he even use the <b>FOUR</b> letter word to describe the Queen of England!!! The same word was once used by an American actor in England and caused him to be banned from the country immediately, but for Rushdie, it was considered as <i>freedom of expression</i>. Rushdie does not only abuse the Queen of England, but he even speaks ill of all Americans (<b>using the same word, but for them he makes it more active by adding ING</b>), he even abused Indians and their beliefs, so over all the book deserved to be banned because it serves no purpose at all, on the contrary, it may creates alot of problems around the world. As for the Bible, it is not to be seen anyway by Muslims in Egypt, so why should they ban it? Salam Wael
11-15-2008, 07:10 AM
Bismillah <b>Under Egyptian law, it is a criminal offence for any non-Muslims to proselytize</b>. Therefore, any Christian who gives or sells a bible to a muslim is risking arrest and possibly much worse. So, it is not surprising that Egyptian Christians are very hesitant about supplying muslims with bibles. Interestingly, there is no law in Egypt which prevents muslims from proselytizing to non-muslims. Hardly seems fair, does it? Where did you read this statement about Egyptian law? they preach all the time, they give out money in poor areas, in Upper Egypt they take Muslim women for tubal ligation surgeries, they hold pal talk sessions just to slander the Messenger blessing and peace be upon him. BTW, I told this to my Nazarine colleague when I talked to her about the bible, she said I know it is disgracing. I told her about a certain man who is just specialised in slandering the Messenger blessing and peace be upon him and asked her a question which I will ask both you and Shamms reepi, did you ever meet, read, hear a Muslim who slandered or even criticised Eassa blessing and peace be upon him?? To me what this man is doing and anyone who uses this approach is simply being weak.
11-15-2008, 02:37 PM
<b>Muslimah wrote: Where did you read this statement about Egyptian law? </b> Virtually all travel websites say this. For example: Egypt travel tips Egypt Do's and Don't Egypt basic travel information and so on. <b>did you ever meet, read, hear a Muslim who slandered or even criticised Eassa</b> I'm surprised that you would ask such a question. Perhaps you're not aware that muslims consider Jesus to be a prophet? Why would muslims slander one of their own prophets? But as it turns out, on one occasion I did see a Canadian muslim slander Jesus. Years ago there was a demonstration by muslims here in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada where muslims were demanding that "The Satanic Verses" by Rushdie be banned. On TV, one of the muslim spokesman said, in an attempt to explain why Muslims were offended by the book: "How would Christians like it if I said that Jesus was a *************" (I can't recall the exact expletives he used). At the time, I didn't know that muslims consider Jesus to be a prophet, so I didn't think this incident was unusual. <b>I told her about a certain man who is just specialised in slandering the Messenger</b> I don't know if that remark is addressed to me or not. In your past posts, you have made reference to me being a woman, so presumably you are referring to someone else. But if you are referring to me, everything I say about Mohammad comes from the koran and hadith. How can I be accused of slander, if I am quoting sources which muslims consider to be true?
11-15-2008, 02:58 PM
<b>wel_mel_2 wrote: ...because you are claiming that it was inspired by God Himself. That what makes it more offensive than any other book written by human being</b> Lots of books meet that criteria. Satanists believe that "The Satanic Bible" was inspired by Satan. Mormons believe that "The Book of Mormon" was inspired by God. In fact, I am sure that virtually all non-muslim religions have holy books which they believe were inspired by God, Satan, or some other supernatural being. What is it about the bible which makes it more offensive than all those other religious texts? Let's consider just two books, the Bible and "The Satanic Bible". You say that the Bible contains parts that you agree with, and other parts that you disagree with. Furthermore, you say that the parts you agree with make it a worthwhile book for you to own. How about "The Satanic Bible"? Are there parts in that book which agree with Islam? And, if so, can you quote some of those passages for us? Logically, if you consider the Bible to be more offensive than "The Satanic Bible", then you must consider "The Satanic Bible" to be more consistent with Islam than the Bible. Correct? Likewise, since you consider the Bible to be more offensive than "The Book of Mormon", then you must consider "The Book of Mormon" to be more consistent with Islam than the Bible. Also correct? 
11-15-2008, 04:10 PM
Quote:To me what this man is doing and anyone who uses this approach is simply being weak. I agree. Reep the reference you gave regarding the Muslim who said how would Christians like it if I said such and such is not an attempt to slander Jesus, he is just trying to bring the situation closer to the minds of the people and put it in a perspective they are able to relate to. The give away is HOW WOULD CHRISTIANS LIKE IT IF. He didn't say JESUS IS..... I cant believe you really need that explained to you. I think you only want to be argumentative.
11-15-2008, 06:13 PM
Quote:did you ever meet, read, hear a Muslim who slandered or even criticised Eassa blessing and peace be upon him?? Peace.... Yes I have. Anytime anyone denies that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God, is slander. Anytime anyone denies that Christ was crucified and resurrected is criticism. Those two things speak directly against what the Bible teaches. 
11-16-2008, 08:30 AM
Quote:Peace.... Shams, really should we teach you what the word slander is???? what you are saying has nothing to do with slander, that is totally different. Yes there is no God but <b>Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala, and Jesus peace be upon him is His Messenger</b> , believing scriptures written by men as being inspired is against the simple logical thinking. Bismillah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem <b> Lo! the likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, then He said unto him: Be! and he is. (59)</b> (This is) the truth from thy Lord (O Muhammad), so be not thou of those who waver. (60) And whoso disputeth with thee concerning him, after the knowledge which hath come unto thee, say (unto him): Come! We will summon our children and your children, and our women and your women, and ourselves and yourselves, then we will pray humbly (to our Lord) and (solemnly) invoke the curse of Allah upon those who lie. (61) Lo! This verily is the true narrative. There is no God save Allah, and lo! Allah he verily, is the Mighty, the Wise. (62) And if they turn away, then lo! Allah is Aware of (who are) the corrupters. (63) Say: O People of the Scripture! Come to an agreement between us and you: that we shall worship none but Allah, and that we shall ascribe no partner unto Him, and that none of us shall take others for lords beside Allah. And if they turn away, then say: Bear witness that we are they who have surrendered (unto Him). (64) O People of the Scripture! Why will ye argue about Abraham, when the Torah and the Gospel were not revealed till after him? Have ye then no sense? (65) The Holy Quran 3, Surat Al-Nisa' This is our beleif, this is the last scripture from Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala, Allah is one, and Prophet Muhammad is His last Messenger, and Jesus peace be upon him is his word and messenger, Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala begetteth not, nor is He begotten. If you consider this slander, then I consider <b>your belief is MORE SLANDER to me and all Muslims.</b> Peace |
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