Polygyny Questionnaire for Brothers-NEED YOUR HELP!!!

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


as salam alykom


I can see there is a posting marathon going on here. FHC, I asked u a question like 10 posts back :) what exactly is your definition of adultry??????


I think the main topic is really went very off Wael, back to topic pls. :) It is my turn.

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.

I think the main topic is really went very off Wael, back to topic pls. :) It is my turn.

Yes you are right my dear sister, just let me comment on some of FHC's points.

Exactly! & when the Holy Father proclaims dogma, he's protected from error by the Holy Spirit (whom Catholics believe to be God). You only need to read the Church's history to realize that no dogma has ever been altered in any way, shape or form... because it can't be. God's word is final & unchangable.

This is what the Catholic Church teaches, but the Bible on the other hand, <b>portraying different picture</b>. Biblically, infallibility is an attribute solely belonging to God alone and not that of any man or group of men.


Mark 7:8, 9, 13 For laying aside the commandment of God, <b>ye hold the tradition of men</b>…and he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.…making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.


Isaiah 8:20 If they speak not according to <b>this word</b>, it is because there is no light in them.


To claim that the Pope is "infallible" is to claim that he is divinity. For only God Almighty is without error.

Both unions are compared to marriage because they are unbreakable. Polygyny is equivalent to idolatry. Both are against God's Will & the Church's ethical teachings.

Show us PLEASE from <b>your Bible </b> where polygyny is considered to be <b>against God's will or equal to idolatry</b>. I become more than convinced now that you are preaching your own version of Catholicim as sister Jennifer mentioned before.


My question once again, <b>show us where polygyny was condemned by God or by anyone in the Bible if it was really against God's will,</b> don't try to offer your "own interepretation".


Now sister Muslimah, from far far away, I apologize if I went off topic :) . And hopefully, FHC one day will answer your question <_< .


Salam


Wael.

[Hadji]

Yes you are right my dear sister,<b> just let me comment on some of FHC's points.</b>

LOL! xD


Mmm... I suggest that someone transfer these posts to another thread. A polygamy debate thread. Any mods around?

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


Trying to be around Hadji, however, I wasnt referring to the polygyny debate, this thread can accomodate this, was referring to other points. However, alright let us all carry on.


FHCCCC are u aroundddddd!!!!! :)

[Faith Hope Charity]

Glory to God, peace on earth, good will to all!

Bismillah
as salam alykom


I can see there is a posting marathon going on here. FHC, I asked u a question like 10 posts back :) what exactly is your definition of adultry??????


I think the main topic is really went very off Wael, back to topic pls. :) It is my turn.

Salam Muslimah :peace:


I answered your question back in post #45 ;)

FHCCCC are u aroundddddd!!!!! :)

You can't get rid of me that easily :)


I've been neglecting Muslims lately for the sake of Jews. There's only one of me & lots of you!


Don't worry, IslamMessage is still my favourite ;)

To claim that the Pope is "infallible" is to claim that he is divinity. For only God Almighty is without error.

Salam Wael :peace:


Not quite! We are claiming that Divinity is speaking through the Pope. Christ promised that He'd be with the Church until the end of time. He also promised that He'd send the Holy Spirit to protect the Church from error. When the Pope declares an infallible statement, he is the mouthpiece of God. Kind of like a prophet. It's really God's message. You only need to look at history to realize that papal infallibility has never gone wrong. Praise Jesus!

Show us PLEASE from <b>your Bible </b> where polygyny is considered to be <b>against God's will or equal to idolatry</b>. I become more than convinced now that you are preaching your own version of Catholicim as sister Jennifer mentioned before.
My question once again, <b>show us where polygyny was condemned by God or by anyone in the Bible if it was really against God's will,</b> don't try to offer your "own interepretation".

"My interpretation" is the same now as it was when we discussed polygyny on this thread: http://islamsms.com/bb/index.php?showtopic=4165&st=0


Plenty of biblical quotes & explanations to quench your thirst. If my interpretation doesn't meet your standards then I'm both flattered & honoured.

With the thought that Jesus is God, his words and actions when preaching completely contradict the style of those that came before him. In the Old Testament, God doesn't play games where He hints that people should worship Him. On the contrary, He made it crystal clear that only He should be worshipped. The prophets too had a similar style. They didn't just imply it. They preached it with all their hearts and with their lives on the line.
According to you, Jesus only implied it. Yet, his implications were pointless because nobody understood what he meant.

Salam Hadji :peace:


God was not Incarnate in the Old Testament. Jesus always insisted that we worship God. He just didn't brag about being God's Son. It only becomes obvious once you study the Bible as a whole. You'll hit yourself in the head after you've realized the truth. Funny thing is, you're bewildered by the fact that I acknowledge Christ to be God based on Sacred Scripture, yet I'm sitting here bewildered by the fact that you don't see what I see in he Bible. I guess faith comes first then understanding. That was the order I chose.

On the other hand, if we were to take the text literally instead of examining the text with presumptions, we could easily see a direct Jesus. Yet, this direct Jesus isn't claiming divinity. His actions are that of a prophet and his calling is to worship God alone.
The Bible is a book of guidance is it not? If it is then why can't we accept what is apparent from the text instead of tying things together to suit our beliefs.


If God is the author of the Bible, then we should take what is apparent and reject deeper interpretations that conflict with the apparent text.

That's the mistake many Muslims make. The Bible isn't to be interpreted in the same way as other religious books. It's more than just a guide. It's our whole salvation history. We don't take each word in a literalistic sense. The human authors used many styles of writing included in which are loads of allegory & anagogy. We need to read between the lines & understand what the author intended us to know. Before the Gospels were written, the Early Church already believed Jesus to be God. That's why Tradition is extremely important in Catholicism. We believe that the successors of the 12 Apostles (the bishops), have the authority to interpret Sacred Scripture. So as a Catholic, if I'm ever unsure about a particular verse, I'm encouraged to study Church documents not determine my own understanding. The result of the latter has been catastrophic since the Reformation.

It is apparent from the text to the reader that Jesus rejected the ruler calling him "good".

I can't accept that because then I'd have to believe that Jesus Christ wants me to cut off my hand, pluck out my eye & refer to St Peter as Satan. You might not have a problem with these things but I do. Catholics aren't fundamentalists. Our biblical scholars dedicate their whole lives to studying God's written word. I, as an amateur, give them a lot of credit.

Yet, your interpretation points that Jesus accepted being called "good" and hinted that he was God. Can we say the same to Joseph then?
Gen 50:18 And his brethren also went and fell down before his face; and they said, Behold, we [be] thy servants.


Gen 50:19 And Joseph said unto them, Fear not: for [am] I in the place of God?


These two examples are extremely similar. Can't a Joseph worshipper argue that Joseph is God too?

No! Because you need to consider the context. Joseph never spoke with Divine authority, nor did any of the O/T prophets. Jesus Christ did & that's why He was crucified - for allegedly blaspheming.