Polygyny Questionnaire for Brothers-NEED YOUR HELP!!!

[Muslimah]

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Just for those who might come and read this thread and also for members who made an input, I was checking Poly's site and she added an insertion I think triggered by brother Abdulwalyee's comment. She posted a fatwa saying there is nothing with a female writing such book. Insh a Allah I will copy it from her site, I m sure she wouldnt mind and post it here to fill this gap.

[Muslimah]

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I did post the fatwa sister Poly got but I saw to re post it here since it also belong here:


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In light of some speculation regarding the permissibility of my writing a book on polygyny due to my not being a scholar, I sought the naseehah of Brother Mustafa George regarding the matter. Brother Mustafa retrieved the following info from the 'ulamaa, may Allah reward him and all the scholars and students of knowledge. Ameen.


May 23, 2007


<b>[u]Is it permissible for a female to author a book mentioning the good aspects of polygny, if this female has not studied Islamic Education in a university or with the scholars?[/u]
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<b>Answer: This is something good that she would write such a book, but she should have it reviewed by the people of knowledge before distributing it.
</b>(Sheikh Abdul Azeez Al Rajhi)

[Faith Hope Charity]

In the Name of the Father & of the Son & of the Holy Spirit - One God - now & forever. Amen.


Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh!


I actually read Miz Aziz's book & I recommend that all Muslims invest their time & money into it. Personally, for me, it just confirmed what I thought all along (that polygyny is a form of adultery), but if Muslims are going to advocate it, I guess it should be done in a liveable manner that all parties on earth are satisfied with. Miz Aziz seems happy & is a great role model for all Muslims that are pro-polygyny.


She never claims to be a scholar & constantly states that any mistake in the book is of her own fault & not a reflection of Allah (SWT) or Islam.


One interesting point to note is that in her intro, she dissects the Ayahs pertaining to the issue & mentions that polygyny is the ideal marital state in Islam & monogamy is the secondary command. What's the consensus around here? Agree or disagree?


Thanks & God bless.


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[Muslimah]

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as salam alykom


FHC, see i neither agree nor disagree on her stance. As far as I understand, also note i m no scholar or even near it, that the rule is marriage. I mean marriage is commanded in Islam for many purposes, this is not our core of interest. Rulings of marriage include the permissibility to be in a monogomy or polygyny marriage. That is it. Again marriage is the estbalished rule that might take a monogomy or polygyny form. waallahu A`lam.

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.

I actually read Miz Aziz's book & I recommend that all Muslims invest their time & money into it. Personally, for me, it just confirmed what I thought all along (<b>that polygyny is a form of adultery</b>),

Please don’t let us start on “<i>adultery thing</i>”, let alone the priests of your Church talk about sexual abuse and ‘<b>real adultery’</b>,… if the Christians are not satisfied with polygyny, then why on earth the leaders of Christianity are roaming around looking for more <b>illegal partners </b> like what Jimmy Swaggart have done few years ago, a man who have written dozen of books speaking strongly against sinful sexual acts, and yet he himself cheated on his wife and was caught with a prostitute.


Before trying to enlighten us that Jimmy Swaggart (<i>and many other Christians preachers and priest who were involved of similar acts</i>) are actually <b>NOT TRUE CHRISTIANS</b>, let me save your time and tell you that we are not going to believe you because protestant leaders don’t consider YOU too as a catholic to be a true believer, so God alone knows the truth.


Meanwhile, you can do some search on the board to find our responses to your allegation. we have talked about this like millions of times.

but if Muslims are going to advocate it, I guess it should be done in a liveable manner that all parties on earth are satisfied with. Miz Aziz seems happy & is a great role model for all Muslims that are pro-polygyny

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This matter is to be left totally to the people who are involved in polygynous marriages,<b> it is none of our business actually. </b>

She never claims to be a scholar & constantly states that any mistake in the book is of her own fault & not a reflection of Allah (SWT) or Islam.

Neither do the Muslim scholars give credits to themselves after writing books or issuing an Islamic ruling, they will humbly admit the same thing, that if anything they’ve said was wrong, it is due to their limitation as human beings, but if they’ve said anything right, it is only because of Allah’s guidance. This is the teaching of our <b>prince of peace MUHAMMAD pbuh </b>, that we should be humble and always remember that we are nothing without Allah’s help.

One interesting point to note is that in her intro, she dissects the Ayahs pertaining to the issue & mentions that polygyny is the ideal marital state in Islam & monogamy is the secondary command. What's the consensus around here? Agree or disagree?

Well, for me it doesn’t really matter, the thing is that if you are involved in a polygynous marriage, then all parties have to do their best to abide by Allah's rules, only then where you can be blessed as sister Poly and her family including her sister-wife. May Allah strength their Iman. Ameen.


Sister Poly… <b>your book is just amazing. Mash a Allah.</b>


Salam


Wael.

[reepicheep]

<b>Wel_Mel_2 wrote: leaders of Christianity are roaming around looking for more illegal partners like what Jimmy Swaggart </b>


Ah, yes. The old "Christians commit sins, therefore Christianity is false" argument.


I assume, Wel_Mel_2, that you also agree with the statement "Muslims commit sins, therefore Islam is false"?

[SisterJennifer]

Salaams


I guess Wael will know better, but I think the point that he was trying to make is that it is polygamy is legit and having mistrisses is not. And that is the real adultry, no matter who does it, Jimmy Swaggart or whoever.


But I think, somehow br. Wael is also under the impression that polygamy is not permitted in Christianity. I dont think FHC's offhanded comments should be taken in anyway as the Christian stance. I think she is just stating her own opinion about it.


In fact they are saying in the USA that polygamy is being practicied now more widely than ever and is spreading in popularity. Not because of Islam (which doesn't allow multiple wives inside USA anyhow) but because of some Christian groups who feel it is their right and calling. Im not talking about just the infamous case of the mormons and that Warren Jeffs, but actually there are alot of smaller, bible based groups actively practicing.


I notice however, they dont have alot of rules to follow when taking multiple wives, and I dont feel they do as well in comparision with Islam. I mean if I had to be a woman in a polygamous marriage, I would definately conclude that Islam will guarantee my rights and protect my emotions better than any other system.


Excuse me brother Wael, if I misunderstood your comment.

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.

Ah, yes. The old "Christians commit sins, therefore Christianity is false" argument.
I assume, Wel_Mel_2, that you also agree with the statement "Muslims commit sins, therefore Islam is false"?

I really miss your comments REEP :) . Welcome back to the board.


Ok here are my thoughts again.


What I was trying to say is that Jimmy Swaggart or anyone with similar problem, could simply get another wife instead of committing that horrible sin; and instead of hiding his illegal second partner, he could have easily live in peace in the light without any embarrassment. But because of <b>the Church’s restriction (not the Bible)</b>, polygyny was not allowed. So here is the point, Islam offers the solution to Jimmy’s problem but because of the influence of his church, he chooses to commit <b>THE REAL ADULTERY</b>. And who knows, if he was not caught and if the matter was not brought to the public, his followers would have not been able to realize his hypocrisy and continue to listen to his speeches as one of the most popular Christian preacher of his time.


To make it easy for you reep I would say:


Christian commit sins because,<b> they have no guideline to follow in this area</b>, Christian denominations are not in agreement when polygny is concerned, because <b>there is not a single statement in the Bible that condemns polygyny</b>; the fact is that polygyny was prohibited in the Bible for only certain people, not all.


Pastor Cooper P. Abrams III said:

The only place I really see polygamy prohibited is <b>in the requirements to be a bishop and a deacon </b> where Paul mentions that to hold either office a man must only be married to one wife (1Tim. 3:1-12). Here, <b>Paul does not label polygamy as sinful but simply prohibits a polygamist from holding these two offices</b>. Simple rational could account for the banning of polygamists from these offices

Source
As you can see reep, Polygyny is not forbidden in the Bible, it can never be compared with adultery and so Christians should not condemn such a beautiful way which offers a lot of benefits to human kind.


Here is an email from another pastor who said:

From: ApostleJamesI@aol.com
Great article for the most part. <b>I am a born-again Christian and a pastor who </b>


not only supports the Biblical teaching of polygamy but I also practice it. <b>I </b>


have two wives and seven children so far....

Now, for the benefits of all, here I am presenting again just SOME Christian websites who supports polygyny as confirmed by the Bible.


Biblical Polygamy


Truth Bearer


CHRISTIAN POLYGAMY IS LEGAL!


So if anyone consider polygyny to be form of adultery, then you are telling us in other words, that your Bible encouraging adultery.


The question arise now is, do some Muslims commit the same sin? YESSSS… does Islam offers the solution? YESSSS, so don’t blame Islam and blame those Muslims who pay no heed to the commandment of God Almighty, on the other hand, <b>blame Christianity for offering no solution to this serious problem.</b>

Excuse me brother Wael, if I misunderstood your comment.

Jazaki Allahu khiran sister for clearing up some of my points, and i hope by now my comments are made clearer insh a Allah.


Salam


Wael.

[poly_blessings]

Bismillaah Inalhamdulillaah was-Salaatu was-Salaamu 'Alaa Rasulillaah wa Ba'd:


Assalaamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullaahi wa Barakaatuh.


Just to throw something into the mix, I recently posted a link to the audio of a radio program I was on here in the US which focused on polygyny mashaa'Allaah and the brother who was on with me did an excellent job of giving a historical documentation of the practice of polygyny in religions and cultures outside of Islaam, including an explanation of changes made to marriage doctrine in Christianity and the prohibition of polygyny, which was 100% conjured up by Paul and the Christian Church and is in no way in line with the original teachings of Jesus 'alayhis-salaam. I highly recommend you all listen to the radio program. I will post the link to it here:


DivShare File - 1-01_polygyny_radio_show_1_1.mp3


DivShare File - 1-01_polygyny_radio_show_2.mp3

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah: Assalamo ALikum.

the brother who was on with me did an excellent job of giving a historical documentation of the practice of polygyny in religions and cultures outside of Islaam, including an explanation of changes made to marriage doctrine in Christianity and the prohibition of polygyny…

Of course this is a fact, I've posted before on one thread the parable that Jesus used in <b>Matthew 25:1-13</b> of 10 virgins, 5 of them married one man. Not only that in his parable he allowed man to marry 5 wives, but he also allowed all of them to stay with their husband in one room, (<i><b>for those who might not be aware, in Islam it is forbidden for the man to share the room with more than one wife at a time</b>). </i> This tale was narrated by Jesus to a society who did practice polygany, otherwise <b>what was the purpose of his parable if polygyny was not allowed?</b>


<b>Mathew 25: 1-13</b>


1. "At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like <b>ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. </b>



2. Five of them were foolish and five were wise.


3. The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them.


4. The wise, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps.


5. The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.


6. <b>"At midnight the cry rang out: 'Here's the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!' </b>


7. <b>"Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. </b>


8. The foolish ones said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.'


9. " 'No,' they replied, 'there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.'


10. "But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. <b>The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. </b> <b>And the door was shut.
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11. "Later the others also came. 'Sir! Sir!' they said. 'Open the door for us!'


12. "But he replied, 'I tell you the truth, I don't know you.'


13. "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.


If polygamy (<b>the marriage of one man to multiple women part only</b>) was indeed forbidden in the Bible, then Jesus' parable about the 1 man and ten virgin brides is just ridiculous.


<b>This shows that Jesus himself had no problem with polygamy.</b>


Salam


Wael.