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[Hadji]

Hence 24:26 has nothing to do with "Purification" or 33:33. Infact Shia scholars have used 24:26 to defend the honour of the Prophets wives and rebuke any accusations of Adultery. The context of this verse is clearly adultery.

Oh? One of the main reasons that I pointed this verse out is because I'm more familiar with Shi'ite scholars calling A'isha an adulteress.

"AhlulBayt" are a specific group of people pointed in the Quran and simply the relationship of marriage does not include one in it.

Out of curiousity, how do you define "ahlul-bayt" and what distinguishes it from "ahl"?

Here is the Hadith in arabic using the word AhlulBayt very clearly. If this is indeed the same group of people as in Quran 33:33 then the wives are definitely not included.

Well, the other hadeeth you quoted states that they are from his house:

Aren't his wives the members of his family? Thereupon he said: His wives<b> are</b> the members of his family.

Here's another one:


Volume 6, Book 60, Number 316:


Narrated Anas:


A banquet of bread and meat was held on the occasion of the marriage of the Prophet to Zainab bint Jahsh. I was sent to invite the people (to the banquet), and so the people started coming (in groups); They would eat and then leave. Another batch would come, eat and leave. So I kept on inviting the people till I found nobody to invite. Then I said, "O Allah's Prophet! I do not find anybody to invite." He said, "Carry away the remaining food." Then a batch of three persons stayed in the house chatting. <b>The Prophet left and went towards the dwelling place of Aisha and said, "Peace and Allah's Mercy be on you, O the people of the house!"</b> She replied, "Peace and the mercy of Allah be on you too. How did you find your wife? May Allah bless you. <b>Then he went to the dwelling places of all his other wives and said to them the same as he said to Aisha and they said to him the same as Aisha had said to him.</b> Then the Prophet returned and found a group of three persons still in the house chatting. The Prophet was a very shy person, so he went out (for the second time) and went towards the dwelling place of 'Aisha. I do not remember whether I informed him that the people have gone away. So he returned and as soon as he entered the gate, he drew the curtain between me and him, and then the Verse of Al-Hijab was revealed.


---فخرج النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏فانطلق إلى حجرة ‏ ‏عائشة ‏ ‏فقال السلام عليكم أهل البيت---


http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display...?Doc=0&Rec=7027


As you can see, the Prophet (pbuh) considers his wives as "ahlul-bayt" as well.

I can only anticipate your next argument (im guessing it might involve 28:12 or 11:73). However I will leave it here.

I laughed hard when I read that. Feels like we're playing a game of chess right about now. Out of curiousity how would you respond to those verses? I haven't been doing this for a while, so you see I'm getting rusty.


I've always wondered what's the Shi'ite argument to the grammar of verse concerning that first word: "inama"


إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنكُمُ الرِّجْسَ أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيرًا


In other verses in the Qur'an for example 9:55:


Let not their wealth nor their (following in) sons dazzle thee: in reality Allah's plan is to punish them with these things in this life, and that their souls may perish in their (very) denial of Allah.


You see, "إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ" can be found in both verses. Also, these three words are used to connect the statements the previous and latter statements. In 9:55, إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ connects the wealth and the sons to Allah's plan of punishing them. Similarly, in 33:33 "إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ" connects these instructions that were made to the wives of the Prophet (pbuh) to his wishes of making them pure.


The only way for "إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنكُمُ الرِّجْسَ أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيرًا" to not be connected to the wives of the Prophet (pbuh) is if said something similar to إِنَُّ اللَّه يُرِيد instead of إِنَّمَا.


" إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ " has been used three other times in the Qur'an and "إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ الشَّيْطَانُ " has been used once. Yet in all the times, these words act to connect the previous and latter statement.


I can see how you would have a problem with understanding this if you're just learning some of these Arabic grammar rules. In any case, you could always make sure of what I'm saying by asking Sheikhs or even some of the knowledgable forum members.


By the way, does Shi'ites consider إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنكُمُ الرِّجْسَ أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيرًا to be a seperate verse from the rest of 33:33?


Phew... That took a lot of time.

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


as salam alykom


I m astonished, amazed.... and :conf06: that Muslims are busying themselves, getting divided based on who are Ahul Bayt. Whoever they are we just have to strive into immitating them, living like them...


And more shocked I m for slandering Aisha, is what I read correct or was I over worked and misunderstood???


What does the noble Ayah:


Verily those who brought forth the slander (against ‘Âishah رضي الله عنها the wife of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم) are a group among you. Consider it not a bad thing for you. Nay, it is good for you. Unto every man among them will be paid that which he had earned of the sin, and as for him among them who had the greater share therein, his will be a great torment.


12. Why then, did not the believers, men and women, when you heard it (the slander), think good of their own people and say: "This (charge) is an obvious lie[1]?"


24: 11-12


La hawla wala qowata ila billah


The woman whom Allah proved innocent thru revelation, how can scholars busy themselves with such useless arguments. Matter of fact, this could easily bring us back muslims to the era of Ahul Kalam. Why would we busy ourselves with kalam= talking rather than doing?


Brothers btw thos noble Ayahs including the threatening is of totaly different meaning. Just think for a moment how many times Allah Addressed his beloved Messneger Mohamed salla Allah a`lyhee wa a`ala albahteh taybeen wa azwajehi ataherat and all Messengers and prophets till the Day After ameen in a very harsh and serious manner. Didnt u read:


And if he (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) had forged a false saying concerning Us (Allâh جل جلاله),


45. We surely would have seized him by his right hand (or with power and might),


46. And then We certainly would have cut off his life artery (aorta),


Al Haqa 45-46


Didnt u read:


O Prophet (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم)! Keep your duty to Allâh


33:1


Who else could be more fearful to Allah, the word in Arabic is Itaqi Allah.


Brothers, just exactly as the Messenger used to tell people that when I become ill, I suffer twice as much as one of u suffers. The wives of the Messnger who are mothers of the belivers are in a totally different rank and thus Allah's Treatment to them is different.


Regarding Ahul bayt, as I said before the Messenger said Islam took out Abu Lahab from my lineage and inserted Bilal. other examples he said Julaybib is from me and I m from Julaybib.


Brothers is this enough for us to stand in two groups looking at each other this way?


Im actually now speachless.

[Hadji]

Wa alaykum alsalam wa rahmat Allah wa barakatuh,

I m astonished, amazed.... and that Muslims are busying themselves, getting divided based on who are Ahul Bayt. Whoever they are we just have to strive into immitating them, living like them...
And more shocked I m for slandering Aisha, is what I read correct or was I over worked and misunderstood???

I don't think you realize the significance of Al-Ahzab 33 to the Shi'ites. Many of them claim that this verse makes ahlul-bayt infallible. Karbala though, doesn't realize that the verses also speak of the wives of the Prophet (pbuh). Most Shi'ites and their scholars curse at the wives of Mohammed (pbuh). If one were to prove that the wives of the Prophet (pbuh) are from ahlul-bayt, then it would mean that:


1- they infallible as well


2- the verse doesn't have anything to do with infallibility


By the way, nobody in this thread has slandered A'isha. I hold the greatest respect for her. I can't speak for Karbala though. He does seem sincere, but that's probably because he is unaware of the writings of his own scholars about the wives of the Prophet (pbuh).

24: 11-12

Yes, it is obvious to both you and mean that the Qur'an defends the honor of A'isha. Unfortunately, the Shi'ite interpreters of the Qur'an have conjured up different stories and tie it to this verse.


One of the more interesting ones is this interpretation from Alfayd Alkashani in his book (Alsafi fee tafseer kalam Allah alwafee):


وامّا الخاصّة فانّهم رووا انّها نزلت في مارية القبطية وما رمتها به عايشة


http://altafsir.org/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=4&...s&Page=1&Size=1


So basically, this verse is about A'isha slandering Mariya. Interesting, isn't it?


The Shi'ite scholar Mullah Baqir Majlisi in his book Hayatul Quloob says:


1- Aa'ishah and Hafsah martyred Rasulullaah by giving him poison. (Vol. 2, Hayat-ul-quloob, page #870, Baqar Majlisi)


2- Mullah Baqir Majilisi comments about Ayesha (R.A.) and Hafsa (R.A.) that: "They were both hypocrites." (Hayatul Quloob: 2:745)

Brothers is this enough for us to stand in two groups looking at each other this way?

Sister, how can you expect me to turn around and walk away from someone who's religion condemns the companions of Mohammed (pbuh)? I come from a country in which the majority of the population are Shi'ites. What I find astonishing is the Shi'ites that claim that they hold the companions in high regard when they obviously do not.


Karbala might say that he doesn't curse the companions and wives of Mohammed (pbuh). Yet, his scholars do. His major books do as well. Then I ask... Where does his learn his religion from?

[Karbala]

:bismillah: :assalam:


Things have taken a very emotional turn.


Muslimah:


No one slandered Aisha not me or anyone else.


Now back to the issue at hand.

I've always wondered what's the Shi'ite argument to the grammar of verse concerning that first word: "inama"

Since my arabic is way out of its depth you'll have to wait a few days for an answer to that question.

Well, the other hadeeth you quoted states that they are from his house:

However in the other hadith he clearly says that the wives are NOT included in AhlulBayt.

Thereupon he said: No, by Allah, a woman lives with a man (as his wife) for a certain period

I posted both hadiths for completeness since they are both relating to the same event with slightly different wording. Personally i take the latter as more accurate. But nevertheless they clearly establish that in this case the wives are NOT in the AhlulBayt.
Perhaps a few more references will clear things up.


Sahih Muslim


Book 31, Number 5955:


'A'isha reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) went out one norning wearing a striped cloak of the black camel's hair that there came Hasan b. 'Ali. He wrapped hitn under it, then came Husain and he wrapped him under it along with the other one (Hasan). Then came Fatima and he took her under it, then came 'Ali and he also took him under it and then said: Allah only desires to take away any uncleanliness from you, O people of the household, and purify you (thorough purifying)


http://www.iiu.edu.my/deed/hadith/muslim/031_smt.html


The hadith clearly mentions that only Ali, Hussain, Hassan and Fatima are part of AhlulBayt along with the Prophet even mentioning the verse of the Quran in question.


Sunan Tirmidhi


The verse "Verily Allah intends to ... (33:33)" was revealed to the Prophet (PBUH&HF) in the house of Umm Salama. Upon that, the Prophet gathered Fatimah, al-Hasan, and al-Husain, and covered them with a cloak, and he also covered Ali who was behind him. Then the Prophet said: "O' Allah! These are the Members of my House (Ahlul-Bayt). Keep them away from every impurity and purify them with a perfect purification." Umm Salama (the wife of Prophet) asked: "Am I also included among them O Apostle of Allah?" the Prophet replied: "You remain in your position and you are toward a good ending."


رَبِيبِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ لَمَّا نَزَلَتْ هَذِهِ الايَةُ عَلَى النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلمَّ ‏:‏ ‏(‏ انمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنْكُمُ الرِّجْسَ اَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيرًا ‏)‏ فِي بَيْتِ اُمِّ سَلَمَةَ فَدَعَا فَاطِمَةَ وَحَسَنًا وَحُسَيْنًا فَجَلَّلَهُمْ بِكِسَاءٍ وَعَلِيٌّ خَلْفَ ظَهْرِهِ فَجَلَّلَهُمْ بِكِسَاءٍ ثُمَّ قَالَ ‏"‏ اللَّهُمَّ هَؤُلاَءِ اَهْلُ بَيْتِي فَاَذْهِبْ عَنْهُمُ الرِّجْسَ وَطَهِّرْهُمْ تَطْهِيرًا ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قَالَتْ اُمُّ سَلَمَةَ وَاَنَا مَعَهُمْ يَا نَبِيَّ اللَّهِ قَالَ ‏"‏ اَنْتِ عَلَى مَكَانِكِ وَاَنْتِ عَلَى خَيْرٍ ‏"


http://www.al-eman.com/Hadeeth/viewchp.asp...?-???-?????#SR1


The list of references for the above tradition famously called Hadith al-Kisa or the Hadith of the cloak goes on and on. You will find it in al-Mustadrak of Al-Hakim, Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Tafsir al-Kabir, Tafsir al-Durr al-Manthoor etc etc.

[Hadji]

Sahih Muslim
Book 31, Number 5955:


'A'isha reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) went out one norning wearing a striped cloak of the black camel's hair that there came <b>Hasan b. 'Ali.</b> He wrapped hitn under it, then came <b>Husain</b> and he wrapped him under it along with the other one <b>(Hasan)</b>. Then came <b>Fatima</b> and he took her under it, then came <b>'Ali</b> and he also took him under it and then said: Allah only desires to take away any uncleanliness from you, O people of the household, and purify you (thorough purifying)


http://www.iiu.edu.my/deed/hadith/muslim/031_smt.html

Al-Husain, Al-Hassan, Fatima, Ali, and Mohammed (pbuh) are all considered to be from Ahlulbayt. I agree with that.

Sunan Tirmidhi
The verse "Verily Allah intends to ... (33:33)" was revealed to the Prophet (PBUH&HF) in the house of Umm Salama. Upon that, the Prophet gathered Fatimah, al-Hasan, and al-Husain, and covered them with a cloak, and he also covered Ali who was behind him. Then the Prophet said: "O' Allah! These are the Members of my House (Ahlul-Bayt). Keep them away from every impurity and purify them with a perfect purification." <b>Umm Salama (the wife of Prophet) asked: "Am I also included among them O Apostle of Allah?" the Prophet replied: "You remain in your position and you are toward a good ending."</b>

This hadeeth is different from the other one. Umm Salama wasn't a part of the first hadeeth. I looked up the link you've provided and here is what I found under the same hadeeth.


قَالَ هَذَا حَدِيثٌ غَرِيبٌ مِنْ هَذَا الْوَجْهِ مِنْ حَدِيثِ عَطَاءٍ عَنْ عُمَرَ بْنِ أَبِي سَلَمَةَ ‏.


The hadeeth is not authentic.

However in the other hadith he clearly says that the wives are NOT included in AhlulBayt.

Scroll to the top of the page. The Prophet (pbuh) considers A'isha to be from ahlul-bayt. Are you going to accept the definition of Mohammed (pbuh) or the companion?

Since my arabic is way out of its depth you'll have to wait a few days for an answer to that question.

Please try to be objective while researching this topic. I advise you to use your proper judgement instead of just accepting any Shi'ite response.

[Karbala]

So basically, this verse is about A'isha slandering Mariya. Interesting, isn't it

Again since I cant really follow the arabic allow me a few days to read for myself your source. Im having to rummage through a dictionary everytime I try.

The Shi'ite scholar Mullah Baqir Majlisi in his book Hayatul Quloob says:
1- Aa'ishah and Hafsah martyred Rasulullaah by giving him poison. (Vol. 2, Hayat-ul-quloob, page #870, Baqar Majlisi)


2- Mullah Baqir Majilisi comments about Ayesha (R.A.) and Hafsa (R.A.) that: "They were both hypocrites." (Hayatul Quloob: 2:745)

I have seen that on a few sites myself. May I warn you about copy and pasting from random anit-shia websites (eg. allahuakbar.net which I suspect you may have got this from). I am familiar with the works of Allamah Majlisi and I know that in his introductions he clearly states that some hadiths that he displays are inauthentic and that he simply states them for comprehensiveness. I suspect this is the case here.


Nevertheless from what I have read from Shia scholars the Prophet was most likely poisened by jewish woman. Nothing to do with Aisha or Hafsa. You can either trust me or I can provide sources if you really want me to

Sister, how can you expect me to turn around and walk away from someone who's religion condemns the companions of Mohammed (pbuh)?

My religion is the same as yours my brother. I never came on this site to convert people since we are all muslims already. I just wanted people to understand where we come from and to accept us as fellow muslims and to put an end to the bad blood between us. We do not curse all the companions of Mohammad.

Most Shi'ites and their scholars curse at the wives of Mohammed (pbuh).

That I must say is just wrong. Maybe some crazy minority somewhere do. But then again some crazy minority sunnis in Pakistan believe killing 8 Shias will send them to heaven. The wives all have the status as umm ulmomineen and Shias are not allowed to curse them. However the Shias do reserve the right to criticise them based on their actions. This is certainly the case with Aisha.

Karbala might say that he doesn't curse the companions and wives of Mohammed (pbuh).

I definitely don't curse the wives of the Prophet. As for the companions it is a different matter. If by cursing you mean insulting, slandering, abusing (arabic سب I think) that is not allowed. However concerning such companions as Muawiya or Yazeed then the Shia do practice لعن which carefully translates to "removing mercy". لعن is most definitely practiced and is even highly recommended in the Shia Madhab. To hate the killers of Hussain is only natural im sure you cannot blame us for that.

45. We surely would have seized him by his right hand (or with power and might),
46. And then We certainly would have cut off his life artery (aorta),


Al Haqa 45-46

Muslimah these arent threats since they are in the past tense. It is merely a statement backing up the previous verse that the Quran is an inspired revelation. A threat is always given in the future. This cannot be compared to the legislative threat in Surat al-Ahzab.

I come from a country in which the majority of the population are Shi'ites.

Interesting Bahrain? Iran? Iraq? Lebanon?


I come from a country the majority of which views me as a kaafir or a mushrik. Most of my family views me as such. However what I find astonishing is that some muslims claim to hold AhlulBayt in high regard and also put the suffix رضي..... after the names of their killers and oppressors.

[Hadji]

My religion is the same as yours my brother. I never came on this site to convert people since we are all muslims already.

Why wouldn't you try to convert us? Isn't it an article of your faith to believe in Imamah? From my understanding, those that don't believe in Imamah will not be saved.


Anyways, I'll let's stick to the subject at hand. I've got a friend with a few Majlisi books. I'll make sure of what is return and then get back to you.

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


as salam alykom


Karbala, I will just reply to one point till Iget back into track with your and Hadji posts. :)


I m not getting emotional at all. Being surprised on how a group of scholar can feed their followers that basis of Islam can be turned into identifying who Ahul bayt are, has nothing to do with emotions. Refering to the Ayah of Hadithul ifk has nothing to do with emotions. We are talking about Quran here which is our reference not thru my or your emotions. You know I respect talking to you and I know a lot that others may not be taking it easy.


Let us continue step by step. Hadji late might be and sorry for it, but brother welcome to our board and family. We actually consider this our cyber family so welcome to it brother and jazakum Allah khairan.

[Hadji]

Thanks for welcoming me aboard sister. Is it just me, or did the forums have a different name and look not too long ago?

I come from a country the majority of which views me as a kaafir or a mushrik.

Mhmm, same here... Bahrain by the way.

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


as salam alykom brothers


First of all, let us put an important rule here, Quran is one unit and it compliments one another. Disasters emerge when people try to take parts of Ayahs out of context to satisfy a certain inclination they are trying to call people for. Just exactly as I gave the example of As habul Kalam who kept arguing if Quran was a creation or the word of Allah. And Hadji when I was talking to both of u, I didnt mean to be upset with any of u, I was talking to my brothers saying how can we muslims accept that scholars lay down foundations that keep us a part this way, keep us busy with what is not useful, taking away our attention from what we should focus on. I wasnt pointing finger to any of u two. I know we are here to discuss. What I said was part of the discussion.


Talking about a part of 33:33 without taking the whole package of Ayahs (previous and post) is misinforming. The whole package addresses Nisaauna Bay aiming to discipline them and telling the Messenger salla Allah a`lyeehe, wa a`ala alyhee taybeen wa azawajihi atahirat wa sallam in a certain situation. All of them agreed to ask the Messenger salla Allah a`lyeehe wa sallam to increase their living standard. Since this household in particular plays a role model for all muslims till the Day After, the situation couldnt have been left unattended since this could happen till today, but this group is different (wives) not because I say so. But because Allah Says so. And if scholars interpret Ayahs in a different manner, this raises much questioning of the intention and direction.


The whole package starts by addressing the wives as follows:


http://www.qurancomplex.com/Quran/Targama/...?L=arb&Page=421


O Prophet (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم)! Say to your wives: "If you desire the life of this world, and its glitter, then come! I will make a provision for you and set you free in a handsome manner (divorce).[2]


29. "But if you desire Allâh and His Messenger, and the home of the Hereafter, then verily, Allâh has prepared for Al-Muhsinât (good-doers) amongst you an enormous reward."


30. O wives of the Prophet! Whoever of you commits an open illegal sexual intercourse, the torment for her will be doubled, and that is ever easy for Allâh.


And whosoever of you is obedient to Allâh and His Messenger (صلى الله عليه وسلم), and does righteous good deeds, We shall give her, her reward twice over, and We have prepared for her Rizq Karim (a noble provision - Paradise).


32. O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other women. If you keep your duty (to Allâh), then be not soft in speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease (of hypocrisy, or evil desire for adultery) should be moved with desire, but speak in an honourable manner.


33. And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance, and perform As-Salât (Iqamât-as-Salât), and give Zakât and obey Allâh and His Messenger. Allâh wishes only to remove Ar-Rijs (evil deeds and sins) from you, O members of the family (of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم), and to purify you with a thorough purification.


34. And remember (O you the members of the Prophet’s family, the Graces of your Lord), that which is recited in your houses of the Verses of Allâh and Al-Hikmah (i.e. Prophet’s Sunnah - legal ways, so give your thanks to Allâh and glorify His Praises for this Qur’ân and the Sunnah ). Verily, Allâh is Ever Most Courteous, Well-Acquainted with all things.


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(V.33:28)


a) Narrated ‘Âishah رضي الله عنها, the wife of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم: When Allâh’s Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم was ordered to give option to his wives, he started with me, saying, "I am going to mention to you something, but you shall not hasten (to give your reply) unless you consult your parents." The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم knew that my parents would not order me to leave him. Then he said, "Allâh says: "O Prophet (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم)! Say to your wives: ‘If you desire the life of this world and its glitter... an enormous reward.’ " (V.33:29).


I said, "Then why consult I my parents? Verily, I desire Allah, His Messenger and the Home of the Hereafter." Then all the other wives of the Prophet did the same as I did.


(Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.6, Hadith No.309).


B) Narrated ‘Âishah رضي الله عنها: Allâh’s Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم gave us the option (to remain with him or to be divorced) and we chose Allâh and His Messenger. So that option was not regarded as divorce. (Sahih Al-Bukhâri, Vol.7, Hadîth No.188).


Now if a scholar decides to completely overlooks the beginning of this package, he /she will be taking it out of context. The package starts by telling the Messneger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam how to handle the situation, and the situation is clearly stated no need for us to make any guesses. And it ends by telling them in one coherent Ayah, not separately And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance, and perform As-Salât (Iqamât-as-Salât), and give Zakât and obey Allâh and His Messenger. Allâh wishes only to remove Ar-Rijs (evil deeds and sins) from you, O members of the family (of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم), and to purify you with a thorough purification.


This is one Ayah, how can anyone use logic and accept an interpretation that divides it. However, including them in the address does not make them infallible. No human is infallible except the Messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam.


Hadji my point is why should we close our minds and follow a scholar who keeps me busy with issues and arguments that shall not elevate my rank, neither brings me closer to Allah, nor help me to escape juhanum? Nor most importantly help me more to establish, and institute the oneness of Allah in my heart and daily life. This is what we need.


Back to hadithul Ifk Insh a Allah I will use my bless of being a native Arabic speaker. The Ayah can never be in reference to Aisha, since it addresses a Osba= group.


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Verily those who brought forth the slander (against ‘Âishah رضي الله عنها the wife of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم) are a group among you. Consider it not a bad thing for you. Nay, it is good for you. Unto every man among them will be paid that which he had earned of the sin, and as for him among them who had the greater share therein, his will be a great torment.


12. Why then, did not the believers, men and women, when you heard it (the slander), think good of their own people and say: "This (charge) is an obvious lie[1]?"


Pls note that in Arabic the Ayahs does not include the incident per se, but it says hadithul ifk. The word hadithul ifk does not mean a slander in literal meaning, but rather the false talk, this is what is literaly means. if the Ayah is explaining the situation about a group, how can scholars change this in a way that suits their whims and apply it on one person. Regardless who this person is, i m not being emotional or defensive. i m just using my mind, the ability to reason mankind is advantaged with. Even in the English translation, this cannt never be taken as talking about one person who initiated the hadithul ifk. BUt rather a group = literally usbah. As Allah Called them...


Insh aAllah to be continued. I cannt deny i m talking to two young people one of them is a dr. to be, so execuse my low ability to cope with your pace and Mash aAllah cognitive skills. :)