HIJAB - Give your input

[Faith Hope Charity]

All for the greater glory of God!

I guess you need an immediate reminder of what Islam is. :)

Right on! Seriously, I think the reason why I can't grasp your explanations is because I don't have an Islamic mindset. I try to remain open, but as I've stated many times before, I need to rationalize EVERYTHING!!! Telling me that "the Quran says so" doesn't quite float my boat. Anyways, with your help, I think I'll get there (understanding not Islam) :thumb:

This is due to the fact that Allah wants purity of intention and purity in deed, both go hand by hand FHC, inner and outer.

Sounds good! Is hijab considered a "deed" though?

So once we humble ourselves, submit totally to Allah, and to Him exclusively, <b>in faith and in action</b>, obey Him with sincerity, we will surely feel peace in our hearts. And establishing peace in our hearts will bring about peace in our external conduct as well.

Hehe! That's what I've been saying all along :)

Instead of looking at Muslims surrounding your, why don’t you observe the life of Muhammad's pbuh wives and daughter?

Sure, why not? Please post some info on them.


By the way, I've come across many Muslims that I admire & look up to :) But my idea of a good Islamic role model might vary from yours.


Peace & blessings, Wael.

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.

Sounds good! Is hijab considered a "deed" though?

Of course, deed means "an action that is performed intentionally or consciously", The first step towards Hijab (or towards any other deed) is the proper intention, and once it is done for the sake of Allah alone, then it is classified as an act of worship. hijab must be worn for no other reason except to comply with the order of Allah, solely for His sake and seeking His Pleasure.

Hehe! That's what I've been saying all along

No you focused only on the inner Hijab, while I am trying to explain to you that in Islam both ways are required (inner and outer).

Sure, why not? Please post some info on them.

Ok, let's start with link and let me know if you need more information insh a Allah. Muhammad's pbuh wives.


Salam


Wael.

[Faith Hope Charity]

All for the greater glory of God!


Salam Wael!

No you focused only on the inner Hijab, while I am trying to explain to you that in Islam both ways are required (inner and outer).

Required - Yes!!! But ideally, it all begins on the inside ;) :D :P

Ok, let's start with link and let me know if you need more information insh a Allah. Muhammad's pbuh wives.

Whoa! That's a lot to read. I'll add it to my list. Check back with ya soon :thumb:


Thanks so much, Wael!


Keep smiling :)

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum

Required - Yes!!! But ideally, it all begins on the inside ;) :D :P

Yes correct, all begins with the intention, and to complete the whole matter, you have to identify yourself as such. and since no one could see or feel the intention of somebody else, Hijab becomes like the identification card for modest women.


Salam


Wael.

[Faith Hope Charity]

All for the greater of God!


Assalamu alykum, Mr argumentative!!! (you're giving me a run for my money) ;)

Yes correct, all begins with the intention, and to complete the whole matter, you have to identify yourself as such. and since no one could see or feel the intention of somebody else, Hijab becomes like the identification card for modest women.

Well, when you put it like that, it's changes everything. I can totally understand what you're saying now.


Hijab is fine, but as a woman (me) who demonstrates modesty in attitude & demeanour, I'd be pretty disappointed if Muslims lose respect for me just because I wear NIKE shorts during summer.


Wael, you've stated several times that your wife didn't adopt the veil straight after her reversion, so I take it she wasn't "complete" yet, but did that make her an inferior person? Surely not!


Take care & God bless.

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


Good afternoon Ms. Argumentative :)


Let me say this, Wael is explaining why a muslim woman who does not abide by the dress code is falling short and in the Eyes of Allah she is committing a sin. Did u get this FHC? We are talking about how Allah Commands us, we are not discussing if others should look down or not to anyone. But rather stating the manner a Muslim woman must adhere to.


Let me even bring it closer to you, as u stated above regarding Virgin Mariam peace and prayer be upon her, u said what is sacred should be covered. Thus, Allah Sobhanhu wa Ta`ala Honors the Muslim woman with such a rank of respect and speciality, and thus she should be covered. We cannt say what is more important inner or outer. One who does not abide by the dress code is committing a sin, one who is not adopting a modest attitude is also committing a sin.

[SisterJennifer]

Bismillah


One who does not abide by the dress code is committing a sin, one who is not adopting a modest attitude is also committing a sin.

<b>"Modesty and Faith are companions; when one is taken away, the other goes too."</b>


Bukari

[SisterJennifer]

I think if you feel proud and confident in what you are wearing it will not matter to you what anybody else is thinking about it. When I go outside it never occurs to me to fret over what anybody else is thinking about what I am wearing and weather or not they approve of it.

[muslimah_min_fhalesteen]

Asalamu Alaikum


The following was taken from a booklet on the Rights and Duties of Women in Islam by Abdul Ghaffar Hasan. I just typed some parts of it.


Hijab:


The wives of the Prophet (saws) were models for all women and were regarded as the Mothers of all believers. If they could only be addressed from behind a curtain in order to avoid any temptation or impropriety, how much more then is such a curtain necessary for ordinary women who can be a much greater source of temptation? It is also clear from the time of the Prophet (saws) that the Companions did not treat this Verse as referring only to the Prophet's wives but applied it to their women as well, with the complete approval of the Prophet (saws).


Islam wishes to establish a pure society in which there is no room even for adultery of the eye. Free-mixing between the sexes is forbidden, men and women are advised to marry at a young age so that they can fulfill their desires lawfully, and all are told to "lower their gazes" in public so that the eye may not be used as an instrument of Satan. By observing Hijab, the woman's dignity and decency is safegurarded. Her attire makes clear that she is not an object for sale, advertising her beauty and availabilty for men's lusting eyes and wolf whistles. We need little reminder of the immoral society around us today in which the sexes mingle wearing indecent clothes, and adultery is only frowned upon if committed after being married. Before marriage indidviudals are encouraged to try different partners, and the unfaithfulness, the misery, the jealousy and the insecurties which can take place are a necessay result of such a life style. The Muslim may well feel safe and secure within the Islamic moral and dress code, but they are often imitating too much of the Non-Muslims behavior of complacency.


I also thought this was important to share because so many are under the assumption that women are oppressed and not treated equally to men.


Worth of Women in Islam:


The Prophet's narrations speak of women with praise and respect. He (saws) once said:


"The world and all things in it are precious and the most precious thing in the world is a virtuous woman." (Ahmad and Muslim)


"Shall i not inform you about the best treasure a man can have? It is a virtuous woman who pleases him when he looks at her, who obeys him when he commends her, and who guards herself when he is absent from her."


"Made beloved to me from your world are women and perfume, and the coolness of my eyes is in prayer." (Ahmiad and An-Nasa'i)


Equality of Men and Women:


Islam makes no distinction between man and women. Both have a soul, both were created for the same purpose in life, both will be judged by the All-Mighty, and both will be rewarded or punished according to their individual actions. Whenever the Quraan mentions those fortunate beings who will enter the Gardens of Bliss because of their piety and good deeds, it mentions men and women together.


"and whoever does righteous good deeds, male or female, and is a true believer, such will enter Paradise and not the least injustice, even to the size of a Naqira (speck on the back of a date stone), will be done to them." (V. 4:124).


Take care of urselves and deen


Salam

[Faith Hope Charity]

All for the greater glory of God.


Assalamu alaikum!

I think if you feel proud and confident in what you are wearing it will not matter to you what anybody else is thinking about it. When I go outside it never occurs to me to fret over what anybody else is thinking about what I am wearing and weather or not they approve of it.

Please don't get me wrong, I don't intend on trading in my Nike shorts for an abaya anytime soon (I will wear one during my visits to Islamic countries though - I can't wait!). The reason why I'm fascinated by all this is because where I'm from Hijab is a big deal. Down the road from where I live there's a Pharmacy owned by Muslims & they refuse to serve a woman who isn't veiled. Of course I could just ignore them & travel to another Pharmacy but that'll just dodge the problem not solve it (to me it's a problem).

Her attire makes clear that she is not an object for sale, advertising her beauty and availabilty for men's lusting eyes and wolf whistles. We need little reminder of the immoral society around us today in which the sexes mingle wearing indecent clothes

Does Islam teach that a woman out of hijab is inviting this reaction? How is she to be treated?

Islam makes no distinction between man and women.

Why aren't Muslim men required to cover up from head to toe? Again, I can only judge by what I see with my own eyes & I can't help but think that there is a distinction between men & women in Islam. So many times I pass an Islamic couple out in public - the lady is decked out in full gear & the gentleman is in shorts, a singlet & flip flops! Sometimes I see men (usually in front of the mosque) wearing long robes that cover pretty much everything but that's not compulsory is it?


By the way, thanks for posting the info, MMF :)


One last thing... is modesty the main reason why women hijab or is it to prevent temptation/sin?


God bless.