03-28-2007, 09:22 PM
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According to Shia, to whom was the Angel Jibril supposed to reveal the Qur'an? How do Shia view Jibril?
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 Bismillah According to Shia, to whom was the Angel Jibril supposed to reveal the Qur'an? How do Shia view Jibril? Muslimah- knew you couldn't resist! :)
03-29-2007, 07:46 AM
Bismillah jazakum Allah khairan Dan, to whom was the Angel Jibril supposed to reveal the Qur'an that was the question in mind and yes couldnt resist. 
03-29-2007, 11:06 AM
Quote:Bismillah The Shia believe that Gabriel is one of the most honoured Archangles of Allah (swt) free from error who executes the exact command of his Lord like all Angels. Gabriel is the one upon whom the revelation of the Quran unto The Prophet of Mercy Muhammad(saw) was entrusted. <b>2:96 Say: "Whoever is the enemy of Gabriel for surely he revealed it to your heart by Allah's Command, verifying that which is before it, and guidance and good news for the believers </b> 2:97 Whoever is the enemy of Allah and His angels and His apostles and Gabriel and Michael - so surely Allah is the enemy of the unbelievers" Allama Tabatabai a famous Shia exegete makes the following statements about these verses. <i>"Gabriel is one of the angels of Allah; he has no authority except to follow and obey the Divine Command - just like Michael and other angels. They are honored servants of Allah; they do not disobey His command, and they do as they are told."</i> <i>So far as the revelation of the Qur'an is concerned, neither Gabriel has any choice or authority of his own in bringing it down (he is subject to the Divine command, which he faithfully carries out) nor the Apostle of Allah (s.a.w.a.) has any choice or authority of his own in receiving it and conveying it to his ummah; his heart is the receptacle of revelation, on which he has no control at all and which he is bound to convey to his people.</i> AlMizan by Allama Tabatabai (cited in http://almizan.org/tafseer/Volume2/Baqarah19.asp) As for the identification of the person this revelation was sent to that is fairly obvious but in the spirit if comprehensiveness. <b>47:2 But those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, and believe in the (Revelation) sent down to Muhammad - for it is the Truth from their Lord,- He will remove from them their ills and improve their condition. </b> Another famous Shia exegete Agha Pooya Yazdi commenting on this verse. <i>Aqa Mahdi Puya says: </i> The repeated reference to the belief in the Holy Prophet excludes the people of the book (Jews and Christians) from "the believers", though they may believe in Allah. because they do not believe in the final revelation (the Quran) revealed to the last messenger of Allah, the Holy Prophet. commentary by Agha Puya / S.V. Mir Ahmed Ali. (cited in http://al-islam.org/quran/) Hope this answers your question beyond doubt.
03-29-2007, 02:14 PM
Quote:Bismillah :bismillah: Allow me to rephrase the question to clear ambiguity. You are asking 1. How far; to what level; how strong is resentment toward AbuBakr and Umar EXPRESSED. 2. What is the Postion of Shia towards these two. 1. The first question about expression is a subjective question. No generality about extent of expression can be established as different Shia people may express their resentments differently. In general it can be said that there definitely exists resentment towards Abu Bakr and Umar. To what extent I cannot say and it doesnt really matter. We are not concerned with the actions of the Shia people but rather the official position of the The school of AhlulBayt or school of Imamiya according to the Grand Shia scholars. There is no (to my knowledge) fatwa or ruling from any of the contemporary Grand Ulema regarding expression of resentment towards Abu Bakr and Umar specifically. Your question may have to be more specific. 2. I would be very hard pressed to find an official statement that is representative of the position of the Shia on the personalities of AbuBakr and Umar. Im not sure what you are asking for? The Ulema dont really concern themselves with personal judgements on the personalities of Abu Bakr or Umar. However there are official Shia stances on certain incidents involving AbuBakr and Umar. Amongst the discourses of the Ulema you will definitely find criticisms and condemnation of certain acts of the First two Caliphs. You may even find descriptions of The first two Caliphs based on their actions. Again I have avoided going into details. If you want specific answers then you will have to ask specific questions.
03-29-2007, 02:27 PM
Bismillah According to your understanding, then, what is the difference between Shia and Ahl ul-Sunnah?
03-29-2007, 11:36 PM
Quote:Bismillah :bismillah: The question is very open ended and almost demands a multivolume book to be comprehensive. You are warned the answer may be lengthy. There is one MAJOR problem in answering this question. I do not claim to be qualified to identify the beliefs of the Ahl al-Sunnah. In this matter I will appeal for the goodwill of others to show patience. If I make a mistake in this regard it is simply down to ignorance rather than malice. I will happily take corrections and criticisms. In any case I will do my best to refrain from stating the position of Ahl al-Sunnah and do my best to stick to the viewpoint of the School of AhlulBayt. Nevertheless this humble servant with his weak understanding can only try his best. Perhaps the most striking difference is regarding the position of Imamate or Leadership in Islam. For us the institution of Imamate is quite unique. Imam is used in the Quran in many different senses. The Imamate I refer to here is the Imamate vicegerency or Imamate synonymous with Khilafah. <i>1. An Imam or Khalifah is necessary at all times as it is demanded by the Lutf (Grace) of Allah(swt)</i> 2. The Imam must be appointed only by Allah(swt). 3. The Imam must be Ma'sum or infallible. 4. The Imam must be Afhal or superior (in terms of knowledge piety etc) al-'Allamah al-Hilli: al-Babu 'l-hadi 'ashar (cited in Imamate The Vicegerency of the Prophet by Sayyid Sa'eed Akhtar Rizvi http://al-islam.org/imamate) Following are some verses on point 2. <i>2. The Imam(or Khalifa) must be appointed only by Allah(swt). </i> <b>2:30 Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I will create a <span style="text-decoration:line-through;">خَلِيفَةً</span> (Khalifa) on earth."</b> 38:26 O David! We did indeed make thee a <span style="text-decoration:line-through;">خَلِيفَةً</span>(Khalifa) on earth 2:124 And remember that Abraham was tried by his Lord with certain commands, which he fulfilled: He said: "I will make thee an <span style="text-decoration:line-through;">إِمَامًا</span> (Imam) to the Nations." He pleaded: "And also (Imams) from my offspring!" He answered: "But My Promise is not within the reach of evil-doers." 21:73 And We made them <span style="text-decoration:line-through;">أَئِمَّةً </span> (Imams), guiding by Our Command 20:13 "I have chosen thee (Moses): listen, then, to the inspiration (sent to thee). 28:68 Thy Lord does create and choose as He pleases: no choice have they (in the matter): Glory to Allah. and far is He above the partners they ascribe (to Him)! 33:36 It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path. I think I will end here. I suspect that this discussion will not end here. If anyone wants to disagree or oppose any of my points can they please be specific and point to which part they disagree and state their evidences. :wasalam: 
03-30-2007, 12:29 AM
<b></b> Tuqya(Lying) is from the manhaj of the shi'a. Yet may of the common people from them are ignorant of the core beliefs of this group. Which sect of the Shi'a are you from? The Raafidhah have many sects within them ---- Aaghaa'khaaniyyah al-Baabiyyah al-Baaqiriyyah al-Ismaa'eeliyyah al-Ithnaa'Ashariyyah and many Zaydee And theres more......... I shall endeavour to speak of the deviant Shi'a who have stained the name of Islaam, preferring to adhere to their own cocktail of whims and desires, Faaaaaaaaar from the Qur.aan and the authentic Sunnah as understood by the best of generations, namely the Sahaabah, the Taabi'oon and the Atbaa' at-Taabi'een, in short, the pious predecessors, inshaa.-Allaah. Theres no need to play games with these people weather they are from the ulema of them or just the blind followers. from the statements of our noble messenger should be enough... Zahdam ibn Mudrab narrated: I heard 'Imraan ibn Husayn saying: The Prophet (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) said: ((The best people are those living in my generation, then those coming after them, and then those coming after (the second generation).)), [saheeh al-Bukhaaree, 3/219] 'Abdullaah ibn Mas'ood (radhi-yallaahu 'anhu) narrated: The Prophet (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) said: ((The people of my generation are the best, then those who follow them, and then those who follow the latter)), [saheeh al-Bukhaaree, 3/820] 'Aa.ishah (radhi-yallaahu 'anhaa) narrated that: A person asked Allaah's Apostle (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) as to who amongst the people were the best. He said: ((Of the generation to which I belong, then of the second generation (generation adjacent to my generation), then of the third generation (generation adjacent to the second generation).)), [saheeh Muslim 6159] <b> It's enough for a man to be astray who seek to justify finding fault with the best generation, Regardless of who he may be</b>
03-30-2007, 01:31 AM
Quote::bismillah: <b>I came across an authentic narration in Al-Lu'lu' wal-Marjan-A Collection of agreed upon Ahadith from the two Shaikhs Bukharee and Muslim....</b> from amr bin Al-As that he said "The Prophet deputed me to lead the army of Dhat-as-salasil. I came to him and said, "Who is most beloved to you? He said, Aisha." I asked, Amoung the men? He said her father(meaning Abu Bakr) I said, Who than?" He said"Then Umar bin Al-Khattab" He then named other men. Sahih al-Bukharee, hadeeth no.14, vol.5 Ummm, and the Shi'a have a problem with these two beloved ones to the Messenger of Allah(saws)... May Allah guide them -or disfigure their faces for all to see.... amen
03-30-2007, 08:07 AM
Bismillah as salalm alykom brother Quote:[May Allah guide them -or disfigure their faces for all to see.... amen ameen to the first part and why the second brother, u think this is the proper approach to steer a healthy dialogue? I dont think so. I very well remember on one of your very first ppsts u sort of criticised the manner of some muslims on this board towards mon muslims. Such approach shall discourage the other party to continue the dialogue. I think that having a shia on board is very important and a good chance for all of us to come togehter. Even he warned and said we must keep emotions aside. Brother we, and before us Allah, Listens to non muslims slandering Him and disbelieving in Him and continue to shelter them... Well let us just allow a chance for others to continue talking pls. |
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