Sexual abuse.

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah:





CHAPTER 11


<i>A banner with photographs of people who as children were allegedly sexually abused <b>by priests </b> is held by two women in front of St. Joseph's Cathedral in San Diego during a press conference by the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, or SNAP. Members of the group spoke out against San Diego Bishop Robert H. Brom's announcement that the diocese has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection to handle more than 140 clergy sexual abuse claims equitably. (CNS/David Maung) </i>


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Salam


Wael.

[Faith Hope Charity]

In the Name of God - Father Son Holy Spirit.


Lord forgive me for sinking to this level.


Below are the names of the notorious Sydney Gang Rapists who carried out several attacks on innocent teenage girls, one of whom was raped 25 times in a nasty episode lasting 5 hours...


Bilal Skaf


Mohammed Skaf


Belal Hajeid


Mohammed Sanoussi


Mahmoud Sanoussi


Mahmoud Chami


Tayyab Sheikh


Mohammed Ghanem


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_gang...#Attackers


"Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?" (St Matthew 7:3)


I think Christians & Muslims can agree that sexual abuse is a heinous crime/sin without any exception of who/why/how.


Hate the sin not the sinner I say!


May God have mercy on us all.


<i>Faith Hope Charity Openness Tolerance Equality</i>

[SisterJennifer]

What is the intention behind beginning this thread?

[wel_mel_2]

What is the intention behind beginning this thread?

My intention was to show that abstaining from marriage for no good reason is totally wrong and leads to sin.


Salam


Wael.

[SisterJennifer]

Jazak Allah khairn brother Wael for pointing that out, it is not clear in the initial post.


Asalaamu alikum

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah:

Jazak Allah khairn brother Wael for pointing that out, it is not clear in the initial post.


Asalaamu alikum

I know, because I wanted you guys to figure it out :D


Salam


Wael

[Faith Hope Charity]

Glory to God, peace on earth & good will to all.

My intention was to show that abstaining from marriage for no good reason is totally wrong and leads to sin.

I resent that false & gross generalisation, Wael.


Not all celibate priests abuse children & not all non-celibate men & women don't.


:icon_offtopic: When you can adequately appreciate the beauty & sacredness of God's plan for sex & marriage (in Christianity), you'll fully understand what it means to renounce them for the kingdom.


God bless.

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


salam all


Although I might disagree with my dear brother Wael on how he introduced the topic, but u know what FHC, your quote:"you'll fully understand what it means to renounce them for the kingdom". This is how exactly Allah Described in Quran that they invented it and were unable to fully observe it. And I understand how u wanted to answer back using the same approach.


But the Monasticism which they invented for themselves, We did not prescribe for them, but (they sought it) only to please Allah therewith, but that they did not observe it with the right observance. (quran 75:27)

[Faith Hope Charity]

In the Name of God - Father Son Holy Spirit.


Peace be with you, Muslimah!

Although I might disagree with my dear brother Wael on how he introduced the topic, but u know what FHC, your quote:"you'll fully understand what it means to renounce them for the kingdom". This is how exactly Allah Described in Quran that they invented it and were unable to fully observe it. And I understand how u wanted to answer back using the same approach.


But the Monasticism which they invented for themselves, We did not prescribe for them, but (they sought it) only to please Allah therewith, but that they did not observe it with the right observance. (quran 75:27)

Not that I believe it's a human invention, but in any case, according to one Islamic website, those who observe it will be rewarded & those who don't will be reproved...


<i>BID'AH-E-HASANA: and its evidence from the Holy Quran.</i>


Allah (Azza wa jalla) says in the Holy Quran:


"And We placed compassion and mercy in the hearts of those who followed him (Jesus), but Monasticism they invented - We ordained it not for them - only seeking Allah's pleasure, and they observed it not with right observance." (al-Hadid: 27)


and then He (Azza wa jalla) says:


"So We gave those of them who believes their rewards." (al-Hadid: 27)


From this we see that the believers of Hadrat Isa (Alaihi salaam) invented Bid'ah Hasana, i.e. Monasticism, and Allah (Azza wa jalla) raises them and also promises them reward. But those who did not foster it (Monasticism) with right observance were reproved.


"And they observed it not with right observances." (al-Hadid: 27)


Note that those who invented this Bid'ah are not reproved but those who did not observe it rightly were reprimanded. This proves that Bid'ah-e-Hasana is a good thing and has an incentive for reward.


No arguments from me!


God bless.

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


Can u give me the link pls, :)