The Prophet Muhammad pbuh said:

[Faith Hope Charity]

Hi JD :wavey:

Doesn't it mean submission ?

That's what I heard too!


It's meaning was discussed in another thread.


Alia wrote:



Question 5 "What does 'Islam' mean?"


The Arabic word 'Islam' simply means 'submission', and derives from a word meaning 'peace'. In a religious con**** it means complete submission to the will of God. 'Mohammedanism' is thus a misnomer because it suggests that Muslims worship Muhammad (SAW) rather than God. 'Allah' is the Arabic name for God, which is used by Arab Muslims and Christians alike.


Muslimah replied:



Bismillah


However, just to correct an important point #5, which is a common mistake that people probagate Islam= peace.


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Bismillah


as salam alykom


Just to confirm the correction of this common mistake, and I m concerned to do so because there are other guests and silent members who may read here.


Wael seems that living abroad for a long time made your Arabic rusty...


Well I will try Insh a Allah to be as simple as possible, since this is an Arabic session.


Now to settle the confusion:


Both words Islam and Salam share the same root (seen, lam and meem). In Arabic when we talk about the root, we only put the letters together without (haraka=vowles).


However, this does not mean that salam is the root of Islam but rather both words share the same root.


Talking about Masdar= can be best translated as origin.


salam as a word is itself a masdar from which the verb Salema is dervied


Whereas: Islam is a masdar to the verb aslama


Now I think the picture is more clear.


Language wise the two words has not association non whatsoever.


With all due respect to any scholar who probagate for this notion.


we dont need to decorate Islam and call it a derivative of salam in order to invite people.


Matter of fact, Islam is a gift an invalubale one, that one must strive to gain and maintain.


I was sent here to learn about Islam as well as educate - LOL!

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


Thank u so much FHC for copying this post here, Alhamdulelah, but many non Arabic speaking respected scholars do fall into this problem.


Islam is a system of life, thus we are not ashamed that it contains necssary codes to regulate our lives and societies.

[Faith Hope Charity]

Peace be with you, Muslimah!

Bismillah


Shamms, let me try to help here. Can you pls give me your definition of an extremist and fundamentalists.


Pls define them, from there we can discuss Insh aAllah. :)

Extremist: A person zealous about their beliefs. One who advocates or resorts to measures beyond the norm.



Fundamentalism: A religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism.


Islamic Fundamentalism: Conservative religious movement that seeks a return to Islamic values and Islamic law (Sharia) in the face of Western modernism, which is seen as corrupt and atheistic.


I hope these are satisfactory definitions. I took them straight out of a dictionary.


Looking forward to hearing from you soon :)

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


I wasnt really looking into a dictionary's definition, I can do that, i want a human viewpoint. For instance, I work as a translator/interpreter, certainly during my professional operation, i m in touch with men. I do deal with them, but I dont shake hands. For this, I could be called an extremist.


However, I will dig a thread for u to look at Insh aAllah.

[Faith Hope Charity]

I wasnt really looking into a dictionary's definition, I can do that, i want a human viewpoint.

I don't disagree nor would I change/add anything to the dictionary's definition of those terms.


I consider myself to be a Catholic extremist/fundamentalist, but I guess for Catholics it's different because it's more internal rather than external. Although we evangelize, theoretically, we're not supposed to impose our beliefs/practices onto others (freedom of religion).

Bismillah


I work as a translator/interpreter, certainly during my professional operation, i m in touch with men. I do deal with them, but I dont shake hands. For this, I could be called an extremist.

In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with that. A Muslim male once refused to shake my hand (I mentioned the incident on another thread). I didn't mind at all because I figured it had something to do with his faith. I can respect that!


If refusing contact with the opposite sex is extreme behaviour then what's suicide bombing... insanity?


I guess it's difficult for non-Muslims to understand the whole concept of Islam because you have all these faithful Muslims living out their faith in various ways. What Islam needs is a Pope-like figure to call the shots - LOL! You see, when a Catholic commits a sin they know they've crossed the line, whereas, when a Muslim goes "too far", they think they're doing Allah a favour.


As I've stated previously, the only aspect in Islam that I can't accept is it's harsh treatment of infidels/apostates. Muslims ought to live & let live.


"Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience & religion; this right includes the freedom to change his religion or belief, & freedom, either alone or in community with others & in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship & observance" (United Nations, Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 18).

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


salam


FHC, just to try and bring back this thread to topic, this is an important thread, I might later on split and add it to those threads dedicated to the Messenger prayer and peace be upon him, to study about this violence issue in Islam:


http://islamsms.com/bb/index.php?showt...=system+of+life


Look into post #2 onward.

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah:


<b>The Messenger and Children
</b>

Prophet Muhammad was an extraordinary husband, a perfect father, and a unique grandfather. He was unique in every way. He treated his children and grandchildren with great compassion, and never neglected to direct them to the straight path and to good deeds. He loved them and treated them tenderly, but did not allow them to neglect matters related to the afterlife. He showed them how to lead a humane life, and never allowed them to neglect their religious duties or to become spoiled. His ultimate goal was to prepare them for the hereafter. His perfect balance in such matters is another dimension of his divinely inspired intellect.

Full article Here... IslamOnline.Com


Salam


Wael.