Islamic Science: Neil Armstrong Proved Mecca is the Center of the World

[Khairan]

Kinda like Moses seeing the burning Bush ?


You may not agree but learn to accept our Belief that Mecca is the exact centre of the globe


and I accept that you dont accept the above.


:wavey:

That's just it though. I don't think Muslims can or should be faulted for *believing* that the Kaaba is the center of the earth. However, we should be honest and recognize that what is presented in the above article isn't convincing science. For one thing, there is no evidence offered to back the claims made. Are there journal articles? Documented studies? Anything?
Further, I suspect that if most of us had read this exact same piece, but the speaker was a Westerner and we replaced "Mecca" with "the Vatican" we would not be at all impressed by what is presented above. Ask yourselves if that is true, and if the answer is "yes" you can be assured that what we have read above is one man's speculations and nothing more. And our reaction is likewise based on faith in Islam and not belief in the "science" presented above.

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah:


Assalamo Alikum all,


please note the following:


The Muslims were the first people to draw the map of the world. They drew the map with the south facing upwards and north downwards. The Kaaba was at the centre. Later, western cartographers drew the map upside down with the north facing upwards and south downwards. Yet, Alhamdullilah the Kaaba is at the centre of the world <b>map</b>. <b>so the Kaaba is not the center of the EARTH </b>, because we know well that the earth is like egg shape or round, and so there is <b>no centre for such round thing</b>. :)


Salam


Wael.

[arclight]

Kinda like Moses seeing the burning Bush ?


You may not agree but learn to accept our Belief that Mecca is the exact centre of the globe


and I accept that you dont accept the above.


:wavey:

I'm not saying anything about Mecca, or its place in the world. But as a scientific document that article holds as much water as a bottomless bucket. In fact you should be insulted it by it. Someone is making up a total lie about Islam, as if your faith needs it.

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


as salam alykom


i must agree that after posting this, since I m the one who posted it, i realized that the speaker didnt back his news with evidence. But since I recall reading something similar, I didnt realise this at the beginning.


I tried looking for the evidence, but then got carried out in other things. Insh aAllah i will try to. In case I will not find them, I will delet the thread.

[arclight]

Don't delete it. Its still a relevant part of the science/belief debate, whatever the authenticity of the original sources claims.

[Dan]

Bismillah


Agree. If this issue arises later we can always refer back to these posts.

[Ruggedtouch]

http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=545


Dr. 'Abd Al-Baset Sayyid: [Neil] Armstrong. Armstrong was basically trying to say: Allah is the one who hung it. They discovered that Earth emits radiation, and they wrote about

I wasn't aware that Neil Armstrong ever "basically said" what is being attributed to him by "Dr." Sayyid. If Neil Armstrong ever "basically said" any such thing would someone kindly post a credible source?



It's remarkable how utterly gullible some people are.

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah:

I wasn't aware that Neil Armstrong ever "basically said"

Nor will you ever be aware of what other great scientists and thinkers said about Islam.


Salam


Wael.

[Ruggedtouch]

Bismillah:


Nor will you ever be aware of what other great scientists and thinkers said about Islam.


Salam


Wael.

So... care to enlighten us as to what Neil Armstrong "basically said"?

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah:

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So... care to enlighten us as to what Neil Armstrong "basically said"?

I was referring to other great scientists and thinkers who talked very well about Islam. as of Armstrong, all what we hear is assumption, which could be right or could be wron, we have heard that he became a Muslim after hearing the Muslim call to prayer on the moon, then again we heard that he denied becoming a Muslim, then we heard that he really become a Muslim <b>but was forced</b> to openly deny that he had become Muslim<b> under pressure and even threats from the United States government </b> Now in all cases, we are not really sure of what happened. To tell you honestly, I don’t care much about what Armstrong ‘basically said’, I don’t even care whether he embraced Islam or not, because thousands upon thousands of Non Muslims great thinkers, philosophers and scientists have declared the truth about Islam, although some of them didn’t embrace it, but at least they were honest to say the truth which you always deny. Read what they say:

Islam had the power of peacefully conquering souls by the simplicity of its theology, the clearness of its dogma and principles, and the definite number of the practices which it demands. In contrast to Christianity which has been undergoing continual transformation since its origin, Islam has remained identical with itself.”
(Jean L’heureux, Etude sur L’Islamisme P.35)

“...Muhammad .. could not read, didn’t know to write. - You have someone illiterate making profound pronouncements - amazingly accurate about scientific nature. [so] many accuracies - I have no difficulty in my mind that this is a divine inspiration or revelation which led him to these statements.”
Dr. T. V. N. Persaud is Professor of Anatomy, Professor of Pediatrics and Child Health, and Professor of Obstetrics, Gynecology, and Reproductive Sciences at the University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.

“Two features in the Creed of Islam have always specially attracted me. One is the God conception, the other is its unquestionable sincerity – a tremendous asset in human affairs, the religious aspect of them especially. After all, sincerity is almost divine and like love covers a multitude of sins.”
(Major Arthur Glyn Leonard, Islam – Her Moral and Spiritual Value, London,

“So that the two hadeeths (the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad ) that have been noted provide us with a specific time table for the main embryological development before forty days. Again, the point has been made, I think, repeatedly by other speakers this morning: these hadeeths could not have been obtained on the basis of the scientific knowledge that was available [at] the time of their writing . . . . It follows, I think, that not only there is no conflict between genetics and religion but, in fact, religion can guide science by adding revelation to some of the traditional scientific approaches, that there exist statements in the Quran shown centuries later to be valid, which support knowledge in the Quran having been derived from God.”
Dr. Joe Leigh Simpson is the Chairman of the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology, and Professor of Molecular and Human Genetics at the Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Texas, USA.

<b>he was referring to the following hadiths: </b>

In every one of you, all components of your creation are collected together in your mother’s womb by forty days...}
If forty-two nights have passed over the embryo, God sends an angel to it, who shapes it and creates its hearing, vision, skin, flesh, and bones

“Sense of justice is one of the most wonderful ideals of Islam, because as I read in the Qur’an I find those dynamic principles of life, not mystic but practical ethics for the daily conduct of life suited to the whole world.”
(Sirojini Naidu, Lecture on “The Ideals of Islam vide Speeches and Writings of Sirojini Naidu, Madras, 1918, P 167)

"The Quran describes not only the development of external form, but emphasizes also the internal stages, the stages inside the embryo, of its creation and development, emphasizing major events recognized by contemporary science."
Dr. E. Marshall Johnson is Professor Emeritus of Anatomy and Developmental Biology at Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA.

he also said:

“As a scientist, I can only deal with things which I can specifically see. I can understand embryology and developmental biology. I can understand the words that are translated to me from the Quran. As I gave the example before, if I were to transpose myself into that era, knowing what I knew today and describing things, I could not describe the things which were described. I see no evidence for the fact to refute the concept that this individual, Muhammad, had to be developing this information from some place. So I see nothing here in conflict with the concept that divine intervention was involved in what he was able to write.”

“There can be no question but that, with its pure monotheism, and a code founded in the main on justice and humanity, Islam succeeds in raising to a higher level races sunk in idolatry and fetishism, like those of Central Africa, and that in some respects, notably in that of temperance, it materially improves the morality of such peoples.”
(Sir William Muir, Mohamed and Islam, London, 1895 p.246)

“I find it very interesting that this sort of information is in the ancient scriptures of the Holy Quran, and I have no way of knowing where they would come from, but I think it is extremely interesting that they are there and that this work is going on to discover it, the meaning of some of the passages.”
Dr. William W. Hay is a well-known marine scientist.

and when he was asked about the source of the Qur'an he said:

"Well, I would think it must be the divine being.”

“The Islamic Law which is binding on all from the crowned head to the meanest subject is a law interwoven with a system of the wisest, the most learned and the most enlightened jurisprudence that ever existed in the world.”
(Edmund Burke, in his “Impeachment of warren Hastings”)

"For the past three years, I have worked with the Embryology Committee of King cAbdulaziz University in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, helping them to interpret the many statements in the Qur'an and Sunnah referring to human reproduction and prenatal development. At first I was astonished by the accuracy of the statements that were recorded in the 7th century AD, before the science of embryology was established. Although I was aware of the glorious history of Muslim scientists in the 10th century AD, and some of their contributions to Medicine, I knew nothing about the religious facts and beliefs contained in the Qur'an and Sunnah."
Dr. Moore was a former President of the Canadian Association of Anatomists, and of the American Association of Clinical Anatomists.

“History makes it clear, however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have over repeated.”


(De Lacy O’Leary, Islam at the Crossroads, London, 1923, p.8)

"In the last three years, I became interested in the Qur'an... From my studies and what I have learned throughout this conference, I believe that everything that has been recorded in the Qur'an fourteen hundred years ago must be the truth, that can be proved by the scientific means.
Since the Prophet Muhammad could neither read nor write, Muhammad must be a messenger who relayed this truth which was revealed to him as an enlightenment by the one who is eligible creator. This creator must be God, or Allah.


<b>I think this is the time to say La ilaha illa Allah, there is no god to worship except Allah (God), Muhammad rasoolu Allah, Muhammad is Messenger of Allah...</b>


The most precious thing I have gained from coming to this conference is <b>La ilaha illa Allah, and to have become Muslim." </b>


Professor Tejasen Chairman of the Department of Anatomy and is the former Dean of the faculty of Medicine, University of Chiang Mai, Chiang Mai, Thailand

And here another Armstrong (Karen Armstrong) scholar of Judism, Christianty and Islam. here are some of her quotes that i found now.

"When the Prophet Muhammad brought the revealed scripture known as the Qur'an to the Arabs in the 7th century A. D., a major portion of his mission was dedicated to bringing an end to the kind of mass slaughter we witnessed in New York and Washington."

Islam is a religion of success. Unlike Christianity, which has as its main image, in the west at least, a man dying in a devastating, disgraceful, helpless death.

Mohammed was not an apparent failure. He was a dazzling success, politically as well as spiritually, and Islam went from strength to strength to strength.

i can still go on, but i dont think you are even going to read what was written.


Salam


Wael.