Pope Benedict on Islam

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah:

Very good. We are agreed in the following things:
1 - That website was islamic.

Yes we did agree on this.

2 - You disagree with the information in there.

<b>Regarding spreading Islam by the sword</b>, yes I disagree with them.

3 - The religion of Islam does not have a structure in which your disagreement carries any weight whatsoever.

When did we agree on that? Are you putting words in my mouth?

The quote you have above says that it is the most absurd myth that ignorant enemies of Islam have ever repeated.

You either misquoted me or didn’t read my statement correctly. I said <b>spreading Islam at the point of the sword is the most absurd myth that ignorant and
the enemy of Islam have ever repeated.</b>


Ignorant AND
enemies are not alike. Got my point now?

Well, according to that quote above, and the information I retrieved, it would appear that the good people of Islam Question and Answer are "enemies of Islam".

No they are not enemies, they are Muslims like me but we are in disagreement on this point… <b>aren’t you and the 1000+ sects of Christianity always in disagreement?</b> If you want to make a fair judgment you should listen to what the majority of both Muslims and Non Muslims said about this issue, then you will come to the conclusion that Islam was not spread by the sword. In fact <b>it was the sword of intellect </b> that conquers the hearts and minds of people. The Qur’an says chapter 16 verse 125:


<b>’Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious.</b>
’ [Al-Qur’an 16:125]


Plus sometimes force has to be used <b>to maintain peace</b>. Islam promotes peace, at the same time, Islam exhorts it followers to fight <b>where there is oppression.</b> The fight against oppression may at times require the use of force. <b>In Islam force can only be used to promote peace and justice and not to convert people to embrace Islam.</b>


I hope this is clear by now.


Salam


Wael

[John 15:18]

The problem is that the definition of oppression is far too elastic. For you, oppression may mean where innocent babies are being shot. For someone else, it may mean where Buddhists are building a new shrine where a mosque was before. Either way, that definition of oppression is used, by Muslims, right or wrong. My concern is not that Islam was spread by the sword. My concern is that there are still many Muslims out there who think that it's a crackerjack idea to do so. This, as we have seen from the information I have brought forward, is out there as fact, not opinion. Sects of Christianity have nothing to do with it. Having said that, the presence of people in this world who believe it is acceptable, or even possible, to spread religion through force is exactly what the Pope, and indeed you yourself, would disagree with, and speak against. I hope.


And as regards your quote, a vital word was missing. You have inserted it now. I inserted a different word, trying to make sense of your quote. It was the wrong one. But as far as putting words in your mouth, in agreeing with the fact that this is information by Muslims, and that you cannot change it, then it is true that this is a group of people, speaking on behalf of your religion, whose words you cannot change. Unless you can, but in that case, I would have expected you to do so already.


Non-Muslims have a 'skewed' view of your religion primarily because there are many people out there, speaking on behalf of your faith, who kill, maim, murder and assassinate. All in the name of Islam. It is one thing to decry the Pope. It is quite another to decry those who hijack your religion, and twist it to be something that it is not. What I have gathered from your answer is that the people from Islam Question and Answer are ignorant. Not enemies of Islam. I'm sure that would surprise them. But somebody should let them know the truth. I'm not a Muslim, so I'd be a bad choice, since I only know what I've seen in passing. Would you like to tell them?

[WITNESS THE REAL]

Bismillah:


<b>EXAMPLES:</b>



"Hatreds never cease through hatred in this world; <b>through love alone they cease</b>. This is an eternal law"


<b>Buddhism. Dhammapada 3-5</b>


"What kind of love is this that to another can shift? Says Nanak, <b>True lovers are those who are forever absorbed in the Beloved. Whoever discriminates between treatment held good or bad, Is not a true lover</b>--he rather is caught in calculations".


<b>Sikhism. Adi Granth, Asa-ki-Var, M.2, p. 474</b>


"The sage has no fixed [personal] ideas. He regards the people's ideas as his own.


I treat those who are good with goodness, And I also treat those who are not good with goodness.


Thus goodness is attained.


I am honest with those who are honest, And I am also honest with those who are dishonest.


Thus honesty is attained".


<b>Taoism. Tao Te Ching 49</b>


"<b>Do good to him who has done you an injury</b>".


<b>10.Taoism. Tao Te Ching 63</b>


"<b>Conquer anger by love. Conquer evil by good. Conquer the stingy by giving. Conquer the liar by truth</b>".


<b>Buddhism. Dhammapada 223</b>


"Man should subvert anger by forgiveness, subdue pride by modesty, overcome hypocrisy with simplicity, and greed by contentment".


<b>Jainism. Samanasuttam 136</b>


"May <b>generosity triumph over niggardliness</b>,


May <b>love triumph over contempt</b>,


May <b>the true-spoken word triumph over the false-spoken word</b>,


May <b>truth triumph over falsehood</b>".


<b>Zoroastrianism. Yasna 60.5</b>


"<b>A superior being does not render evil for evil</b>; this is a maxim one should observe; the ornament of virtuous persons is their conduct. <b>One should never harm the wicked or the good or even criminals meriting death.</b> <b>A noble soul will ever exercise compassion even towards those who enjoy injuring others or those of cruel deeds when they are actually committing them--for who is without fault</b>?"


<b>Hinduism. Ramayana, Yuddha Kanda 115</b>


Salam


Wael.

This instruction will teach those who are Asanas (Gracious ones of God) about the progressive revelation of the Ever-Living Supreme God, Who, has without fail sent divine revelation in successive stages.


All Holy books are sufficient in themselves for the appointed time of the revelation and purpose of the book. There is no book that is cancelling out another. Yet, each progression confirms the preceding revelation and clarifies it’s understanding according to the language of the people who are receiving it.


So from religion to religion and divine revelation to divine revelation you find inconsistency. And those who see, clearly see Truth. Progressive revelation is consistently honest to the inconsistencies that are presented and it is this honesty that upholds the Truth.