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UFO's?
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09-23-2006, 03:02 PM
Bismillah Many people say that just because the universe is so big that aliens must exist. To me, Allah is so Great that he can make the universe this vast and amazing just as a sign of His Attributes (The Creator, The Most Emmence, The Most High, ect...) to us. 
09-24-2006, 01:33 PM
Quote:Bismillah Salam, :conf06: lol Is your point, that one of the signs of a creator is the sheer size of the Universe, and hence would use this argument against an Atheist?
09-24-2006, 07:31 PM
But if God can make all this, he could just as easily create life on any one of a billion other planets, if he wanted to.
09-24-2006, 09:12 PM
Bismillah I am saying that many people say that because the universe is big then it must mean that there are aliens out there. I am just mentioning that Allah is All-Powerful and Thr Creator and thus can make the universe as expansive as He Wants as a sign to us. "Is your point, that one of the signs of a creator is the sheer size of the Universe, and hence would use this argument against an Atheist?" Yes. One of the signs that there is a Creator is the vast complexity of the universe and the balance that it maintains. Have I mentioned this to an antheist? Yes in greater detail and through such discourse have come to believe in The Creator. In fact we are told in the Qur'an to reflect on creation as a means of percieving The Creator. In fact this was the methodology used by our beloved Prophet Ibrahim. "But if God can make all this, he could just as easily create life on any one of a billion other planets, if he wanted to." I did not say that Allah couldn't if He Willed. He has Revealed to us that He Created jinn and mankind as the beings with will. So, those are the only beings who I will claim as having wills of their own. Quote:There's a dozen excerpts in that clip. Would make for a v. long post if I picked up on each one :D I understand your reluctance with home-shot footage, capturing things that CAN be explained. How about footage recorded by NASA and the Russian Space Agency, with even the astronaughts on film commenting on the objects? Watch. The video is 1hour 30mins long, the first part is an interview with a editor technician, talking about his findings of what 'Space Phenomena'..that is itself interesting, but please skip the video to the <b>One Hour</b> mark and watch from there. <b>My particular favourite is when Ground Control is trying to look for the MIR space station in a live feed..the woman desribes this sparking object and says that's MIR. She then gets corrected, and speaks of another object..and calls that MIR. The object then moves away lool, so it cna't be a space station..so she goes "erm..er.." and then notices what she calls a shooting star. Later on, at a different feed - we see exactly the same "shooting stars" but they change direction whilst zooming across the Earth lol.</b> And these objects are way too big to be ice crystals, besides, ice crystal can't zoom across space and then do a 45degree turn and zoom off again. :huh: If your still critical, watch the entire video and then comment - tell them THEN what you think.
09-25-2006, 01:57 PM
Interesting Quotes from astronaughts and cosmonaughts "While working with a camera crew supervising flight testing of advanced aircraft at Edward's Air Force Base, California, the camera crew filmed the landing of a strange disc object that flew in over their heads and landed on a dry lake nearby. A camera crewman approached the saucer, it rose up above the area and flew off at a speed faster than any known aircraft." -- Mercury-9 and Gemini-5 NASA astronaut, L. Gordon Cooper -- "I have frequently been asked why a person of my background-a former Chief of the Defense Staff, a former Chairman of the NATO Military Committee - why I think there is a cover-up [of] the facts about UFOs. I believe governments fear that if they did disclose those facts, people would panic. I don't believe that at all. There is a serious possibility that we are being visited by people from outer space. It behooves us to find out who they are, where they come from, and what they want." -- Admiral Lord Hill-Norton, Former Chief of Defense, British Royal Navy, Video and Disclosure, pp. 305 - 307 -- "Some three years ago, (1957), as chairman of the House Select Committee on Outer Space out of which came the recently established NASA, my Select Committee held executive sessions on the matter of 'Unidentified Flying Objects.' We could not get much information at that time, although it was pretty well established ... that there were some objects flying around in space that were unexplainable." -- John W. McCormack, U.S. Representative, Former Speaker of the House, in a November 4, 1960 letter to Major Donald Keyhoe These are some of the most highest ranking people on this Earth, with the responsibility they have had in relation to each nations security and role in their governments. E.g. Lord Hill-Norton ![[Image: sts4819910915uj2.jpg]](http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6255/sts4819910915uj2.jpg) ![[Image: airskipxo7.gif]](http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5460/airskipxo7.gif)
10-19-2006, 12:35 PM
Mentioning of Extraterrestrials in the Quran? "...,we must return to Sura 42:29.We are told over there that the scattering of living creatures in the heavens and the earth is a "sign".What is a sign?Sura 6:104 says,"Momentous signs have come to you from your Lord.He that sees them shall himself have much to gain,but he who is blind to them shall lose much." Sura 6:109,"They solemly swear by Allah that if a sign be given them they would believe in it." Sura 7:73,"A clear proof has come to you from your Lord.Here is Allah's she-camel:a sign for you." Clearly,a sign is something which we can see,or at least,experience with our senses.Otherwise,it would not be a sign.Some signs are those that God showed to humans in the past.Other signs remain for God to show us in the future-"Soon we will show them Our Signs in the (furthest) regions,and in their own souls,until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth" (41:53). THERFORE,SURA 42:29 CONTAINS A PROPHESY THAT A TIME WILL INDEED COME IN THE FUTUTE WHEN HUMANS WILL DISCOVER ALIENS. In Sura 55:33-34,we are addressed,"O ye assembly of Jinn and men!If it be you can pass beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth,pass ye!Not without authority will ye be able to pass!Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?" Why does God ask us to go into space? There must be some purpose.Maybe it be for us to fulfil some grand destiny in store for our species- maybe to become a galactic race,a respectable part of the galactic community of civilizations.Maybe,it is our travels in space that may lead to our encounter with aliens and fulfil the prophesy in 42:29.Only time will tell.In anticipation of the time when we become space-travellers,we are told in Sura 29:22, "Neither on earth nor in heaven shall you be beyond reach:nor have you any guardian or helper besides Allah." On a side-note, please watch the links I provided - they are not long. And they cannot be disproved. Thus you decide what you are seeing..."
10-19-2006, 03:07 PM
Sup with yall americans, aint no crop circles n stuff in africa, aint no african seen a flying object. we shoot that down. BElow quotes Notice the plural "WOLRDS" am i misinterprting ? 1. The Opening (Al-Fátíha) 001.002 Praise be to Allah, Lord of the worlds, 2. The Cow (Al-Baqarah) 002.131 When his Lord said unto him: Surrender! he said: I have surrendered to the Lord of the worlds. 5. The Table Spread (Al-Máída) 005.028 Even if thou stretch out thy hand against me to kill me, I shall not stretch out my hand against thee to kill thee, lo! I fear Allah, the Lord of the worlds. 6. The Cattle (Al-Anàam) 006.045 So of the people who did wrong the last remnant was cut off. Praise be to Allah, Lord of the worlds! 6. The Cattle (Al-Anàam) 006.071 Say: Shall we cry, instead of unto Allah, unto that which neither profiteth us nor hurteth us, and shall we turn back after Allah hath guided us, like one bewildered whom the devils have infatuated in the earth, who hath companions who invite him to the guidance (saying): Come unto us ? Say: Lo! the guidance of Allah is Guidance, and we are ordered to surrender to the Lord of the worlds, 6. The Cattle (Al-Anàam) 006.162 Say: Lo! my worship and my sacrifice and my living and my dying are for Allah, Lord of the worlds. 7. The Heights (Al-Aráf) 007.054 Lo! your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days, then mounted He the Throne. He covereth the night with the day, which is in haste to follow it, and hath made the sun and the moon and the stars subservient by His command. His verily is all creation and commandment. Blessed be Allah, the Lord of the worlds! 7. The Heights (Al-Aráf) 007.061 He said: O my people! There is no error in me, but I am a messenger from the Lord of the worlds. 7. The Heights (Al-Aráf) 007.067 He said: O my people! There is no foolishness in me, but I am a messenger from the Lord of the worlds. 7. The Heights (Al-Aráf) 007.104 Moses said: O Pharaoh! Lo! I am a messenger from the Lord of the worlds, 7. The Heights (Al-Aráf) 007.121 Crying: We believe in the Lord of the worlds, 10. Jonah (Yünus) 010.010 Their prayer therein will be: Glory be to Thee, O Allah! and their greeting therein will be: Peace. And the conclusion of their prayer will be: Praise be to Allah, Lord of the worlds! 10. Jonah (Yünus) 010.037 And this Qur'an is not such as could ever be invented in despite of Allah; but it is a confirmation of that which was before it and an exposition of that which is decreed for mankind - Therein is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds. 26. The Poets (Ash-Shuàráa) 026.016 And come together unto Pharaoh and say: Lo! we bear a message of the Lord of the worlds, 26. The Poets (Ash-Shuàráa) 026.023 Pharaoh said: And what is the Lord of the worlds ? 26. The Poets (Ash-Shuàráa) 026.047 Crying: We believe in the Lord of the worlds, 26. The Poets (Ash-Shuàráa) 026.077 Lo! they are (all) an enemy unto me, save the Lord of the worlds, 26. The Poets (Ash-Shuàráa) 026.098 When we made you equal with the Lord of the worlds. 26. The Poets (Ash-Shuàráa) 026.109 And I ask of you no wage therefor; my wage is the concern only of the Lord of the worlds. 26. The Poets (Ash-Shuàráa) 026.127 And I ask of you no wage therefor; my wage is the concern only of the Lord of the worlds. 26. The Poets (Ash-Shuàráa) 026.145 And I ask of you no wage therefor; my wage is the concern only of the Lord of the worlds. 26. The Poets (Ash-Shuàráa) 026.164 And I ask of you no wage therefor; my wage is the concern only of the Lord of the worlds. 26. The Poets (Ash-Shuàráa) 026.180 And I ask of you no wage for it; my wage is the concern only of the Lord of the worlds. 26. The Poets (Ash-Shuàráa) 026.192 And lo! it is a revelation of the Lord of the worlds, 27. The Ants (An-Naml) 027.008 But when he reached it, he was called, saying: Blessed is Whosoever is in the fire and Whosoever is round about it! And Glorified be Allah, the Lord of the worlds! 27. The Ants (An-Naml) 027.044 It was said unto her: Enter the hall. And when she saw it she deemed it a pool and bared her legs. (Solomon) said: Lo! it is a hall, made smooth, of glass. She said: My Lord! Lo! I have wronged myself, and I surrender with Solomon unto Allah, the Lord of the worlds.
10-19-2006, 04:53 PM
Bismillah As Salam alaikum 3lameen- translated as "worlds" but means "all of creation" or "all Created things." One of the problems with english version. Maybe this will help. http://www.allaahuakbar.net/barelwiyat/e..._jinns.htm It only really touches on the topics of demons but in the full book as translated by Abu Ameenah Phillips it discusses the alien/jinn connection. Insha'Allah it will help. As Salam alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu |
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