Bismillah:
Quote:I am not pulling your leg. I find it interesting that when it is supposedly convenient you try to use the bible to prove Islam. Other times you write off what the bible says thus discounting its validity. Which is it? And how do you know, as a Musim, which parts of the bible are valid and which aren't?
Pointing out parts from the Bible that are not the word of God does not need a Bible scholar, any sane person can decide by himself. Here are some examples which I will never believe that they were even inspired by God. I don’t know what will you decide for yourself.
"And she kept <b>LUSTING</b> in the style of concubines belonging to those whose fleshly member <b>(of course you know what is that means)</b> is as the fleshly member of male asses and whose<b> GENITAL ORGAN </b> is as the <b>GENITAL ORGAN </b> of male (Ezekil 23:1-49)
I cant imagine that God <b>REVEALED</b> or <b>INSPIRED</b> those words to the author of the Bible.
.... for the spirit of <b>WHOREDOMS </b> hath cause them (the Jews) to err, and they have gone a WHORERING from under their God (osea 4:12, 6:10 and 9:1)
"She seized him and kisses him... "Come <b>let us make our fill of love till the morning</b>, let us delight ourselves with love, <b>FOR MY HUSBAND IS NOT AT HOME</b>..." Proverbs 7:7-22
believe me i cant even give my wife or daughter to read such thing.
" Says the woman: "My king was lying on his couch... "My lover has the scent of myrrh <b>AS HE LIES UPON MY BREASTS</b>" Song of Songs 1:12-13
" by night on my bed I sought him whom my soul loveth. ..."When i found him... <b>I HELD HIM. AND WOULD NOT LET HIM GO, UNTIL I HADE BROUGHT HIM INTO MY MOTHER'S HOUSE TO THE ROOM WHERE I WAS BORN"</b> song of songs 3:1-4
are you telling me that these are God's words? i say impossible. dont even try to convince me.
"Behold, your beautiful my love, <b>YOUR LIPS </b> are like a scarlet thread...
<b>YOUR TWO BREASTS</b> are like fawns...
<b>YOUR ROUNDED THINGHS</b> are like jewels.. I say I will go up the palm tree, Oh may <b>YOUR BREASETS BE LIKE CUSTERS OF VINE.</b> Song of songs 4:1-7
And on and on.. Stories which I will never allow my household to have access to them.
Thats why Goerge Bernard Shaw the great britisher thinker said about the Bible that it is:
Quote:The most dangerous book on earth, keep it under lock and key: your children must not have access to it"
Quote:You've said before that any part where God speaks in the 1st person can be attributed to the word of God. What about what Jesus said? Assuming he was a Prophet. I posted the passage at the beginning of this thread and you deny that he said it.
Assuming he was a prophet ?? if we agree on this fact, then we will not have any problem CC. but you are quoting those verses to prove that he was God. and so we say its not true since God or even part of Him can never die. you can imagine this point still.
Quote:<b>What then do you believe Jesus said? How do you dicern which sayings and teachings are valid and which aren't?</b>
Any saying that makes sense to human being I can accept. Because the Bible itself said GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION. So for example I have no objection in accepting the words of Jesus when he said:
<b>Here or Israel the Lord OUR God is One Lord. </b> he is declaring that he have a God. and this God is ONE not three in one as you claim.
another verse which make sense is: I can of my own self do nothing, as i hear i judge and my judgment is Just because am not seeking my own will, but the will of my father... anyone say this statement he is considered to be a Muslim.
He said I did not come to destroy the law or the prophet but I came to fulfill, I do agree on that.
He said worship the father ONLY... which means worship God alone.. He never say worship me.. So I have no objection in accepting those words from Jesus.
Anything that contradicts those statements they are considered to be a fabrication. And by the way, am not quoting a Muslim scholars or presenting the Muslim view points, No, but even Christians and Jewish scholars affirm that the Bible was not remained in its pure form as it was written. You may read WHO WROTE THE BIBLE which was written by Jewish Scholar of Old Testament - Richard E. Friedman he said the same thing in his book. You can also find another book titled <b>Bible Contradictions?" - Are There Contradictions - Why? </b> by Jim Meritt who is a Christian. You may also read <b>Secret Gospel of Mark(?)</b> written by Bible scholars who confirm the interpolation and fabrications found in their book. Read <b>"How Did 1 God - Become 3</b>?" Arianism Vs. Council of Nicaea which explains about Church History written by John Raymond a catholic Priest. Read <b>"Council of Nicaea - Trinity Accepted in 325 AD"</b>. do some research and you will come to know about the reality of the Bible.
Quote:We can agree that we each think eachothers Holy book contains absurdities. We've talked about that. You don't think that Jesus died and I don't think that ants talk.
You just don’t understand what is the meaning of a miracle, because in your Bible there are other amazing stories that no human being could accept, but they are considered as miracles, so we don’t talk about them. Like this person who killed 6000 people with small piece of stick. when we disagree on this, the Christians missionaries asks, don’t you believe in miracles? Yes we do. But we do not believe in nonsensical stories and statements that contradict other parts in the Bible, the verses you posts says that he was preparing for his death, yet on the cross he is crying for God to save him and complaining. This make no sense at all. That’s why we reject it.
Quote:You got offended when I questioned and accused Mohammed, your prophet. I got offended when you deny the death and resurrection of Christ.
We deny his death because we have got solid proof, our Qur'an which remained unchanged since the day it was written. If you can’t hear from that Jesus never die, that Jesus is not a God, then I guess this is not the proper place for you to stay. Because we are not going to change our position.
Salam
Wael.
