Confused

[Alfredo]

Hey all,


I bet you've all heard this story many times before, but here it goes.


I came to this forum from Wel Me 2, after i told him i was considering converting or reverting as he told me to call it. Right now i'am christian, but i haven't yet abandeded it. The things that brought me to question christianty were the bibles many contradtions and scientific absurtites. On another forum that Wel Me 2 belongs to, their all faithless (odd i know) and they easily attack christianty. When Wel Me 2 came to the forum annocuing he was a muslim, and when we all got in a debate of islam, i attempted to prove the Koran was not correct and could be easily attacked like the bible. But Wel Me 2 easily came up with a logical answer to everything. It was very hard not to be intersted. I did some research, and the scientific facts in the Koran blew me away. Then, i went to some sites comparing the Bible and Koran. There are some scientific facts in the bible that i was as well impersesed with, but the Koran just made more sence. I always thought the 6 day creation story was just a leap of faith, a simple explanation for a simple people back then, but then the Koran had it right on the money. I haven't read it yet, but i will. I havent convertered or reverted, but i would be lying to you all if i say im not considering it. Also, iam not an american, and it might be hard to convert to, well, a non-main stream religon here. Even though i know there are parts in which many muslims are. I have a few questions though,


If i convert, christianty condems me to hell, whereas if i stay a muslim, islam says i can remain in heaven.


And, why would god reveal himself to only one man? Also, i;ve heard the claims that the Koran is perfect, is there a koran from the 6th century that matches the koran of today to prove that? And, would i have to call god allah? In christianty, god's true name is Yaweh, but we do not call our creator that out of respect. Wel Me 2 has told me that Mohammed has performed miracles, but did the angel gabireal show himself to anyone else? Thank you all for helping, well, a very confused and soul-searching person.


Thanks in advance,


Alfredo

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah:

Hey all,
I bet you've all heard this story many times before, but here it goes.


I came to this forum from Wel Me 2, after i told him i was considering converting or reverting as he told me to call it. Right now i'am christian, but i haven't yet abandeded it. The things that brought me to question christianty were the bibles many contradtions and scientific absurtites. On another forum that Wel Me 2 belongs to, their all faithless (odd i know) and they easily attack christianty. When Wel Me 2 came to the forum annocuing he was a muslim, and when we all got in a debate of islam, i attempted to prove the Koran was not correct and could be easily attacked like the bible. But Wel Me 2 easily came up with a logical answer to everything. It was very hard not to be intersted. I did some research, and the scientific facts in the Koran blew me away. Then, i went to some sites comparing the Bible and Koran. There are some scientific facts in the bible that i was as well impersesed with, but the Koran just made more sence. I always thought the 6 day creation story was just a leap of faith, a simple explanation for a simple people back then, but then the Koran had it right on the money. I haven't read it yet, but i will. I havent convertered or reverted, but i would be lying to you all if i say im not considering it. Also, iam not an american, and it might be hard to convert to, well, a non-main stream religon here. Even though i know there are parts in which many muslims are. I have a few questions though,


If i convert, christianty condems me to hell, whereas if i stay a muslim, islam says i can remain in heaven.


And, why would god reveal himself to only one man? Also, i;ve heard the claims that the Koran is perfect, is there a koran from the 6th century that matches the koran of today to prove that? And, would i have to call god allah? In christianty, god's true name is Yaweh, but we do not call our creator that out of respect. Wel Me 2 has told me that Mohammed has performed miracles, but did the angel gabireal show himself to anyone else? Thank you all for helping, well, a very confused and soul-searching person.


Thanks in advance,


Alfredo

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welcome Alfredo im happy that you made it and come join us here. there are beautiful group of brothers and sisters here. hope you will stay with us loooooooooooooooong time insha'Allah.


so i will allow other brothers and sisters to attend on your questions, will see you later insha'Allah.


salam


Wael.

[NaSra]

Salam Alfredo


Welcome To our little peaceful place on the net. [img]style_emoticons/default/smile.gif[/img]


Please take time to read the quraan. The Quran is more than just an encyclopaedia of Living. Its also a guidence manual which directs one to a serene life on earth and an opportunity to enter Paradise.


Every question that the bible can't answer is in the Quraan. The basic message of Islam is the same message of all the previous prophets :worship God alone and avoid worshipping anything besides him, whether it is a person, place or thing, directly or indirectly. The universal message of tawheed was brought to everyone.


It is an established fact that Prophet Muhammad, pbuh, was unlettered. Whereas the Quran, which he brought, has challenged all mankind with all their literary geniuses and scientists, from the first day of its revelation to the Last Day, to produce a like of it or even a single chapter of it:


<b>The Quran openly declares:</b>


You (O Muhammad) was not a reader of any Scripture before it, nor did you write (such a Scripture) with your right hand, for then those who follow falsehood might (have a right) to doubt it.
(al-Ankabut, 29.48)


Prophet Muhammad, pbuh, saw much resistance from the Jews and Christians. The Quran mentions Prophet Moses, the Prophet sent to the Israelites, about 500 times, while the name of Muhammad is mentioned in the Quran only four times. The Quran also mentions Prophet Jesus many times. Is it conceivable that one who falsely claims Prophethood ever mentions the Prophets of the peoples who show him great hostility? I don't think so.


The Quran mentions previous Prophets, including Moses and Jesus, peace upon them , and the Christians’ and Jews’ denial of Muhammad’s Prophethood and the Divine authorship of the Quran, is proof of the Prophethood of Muhammad and the Divine authorship of the Quran and that the Christians’ and Jews’ denial comes from purely false reasons like jealousy, prejudice and selfishness.


I'm not a scholar, but I would advise you to read the quraan. With an open mind and heart and (if god wills) a door will open for you that you have never seen before.


I'll let the more knowledgable Brothers and Sisters tackle the rest of your questions and concerns that you need help with. [img]style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif[/img]


(a little whisper to the muslims)


<i>Remember a muslim is a mirror for another muslim, correct me when I'm wrong. I won't bite </i>[img]style_emoticons/default/wink.gif[/img]


-Intuition-

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


Peace Alfredo and salam u alykom brothers and sisters


first i d like to welcome u Alfredo to our little family, we do see ourselves as one family cyber one huh.


True that your introduction seemed familiar but that is one of the reasons we are here, the other reasons seem like learning, help each other learn more about Islam, try to get closer to Allah, try to conduct good deeds which shall remain in our names after death.


Now Mash a Allah I guess u were already exposed to some info besides what our sister Intuition presented. She actually summed up the core of interest in a very Mash aAllah easy manner.


Me too I highly encourage u to read the Quran (mind u me too I am no scholar we are just Muslims trying to help).


As for the points u raised:


<b>And, why would god reveal himself to only one man?</b>


I am not sure if u r referring to Prophet Mohamed sallah Allah a`lyhee wa sallam? but Allah Did not physically reveal Himself to him neither to any other Prophet. The only Prophet who was advantaged of an extra bonus was Mussa (Moases) who spoke to Allah without an intermediate. I mean he had conversations with Allah. Other than that Allah always Sent His revelation thru Arch Angle Jebreel (Gabriel).



On a side note Intution mentioned in her post the word Tawheed, just in case I dont expect u to know that it is Monotheism). Back again to the point, so Allah Didnt reveal Himself to no Prophet He only Sent revelations to them thru Angle Jebreel for those Prophets to spread the call to Allah..


Also, i;ve heard the claims that the Koran is perfect, is there a koran from the 6th century that matches the koran of today to prove that?


About the Quran issue if u browse the forum Insh a Allah u will find multiple threads on that. However, I still strongly advice u to read it.



And, would i have to call god allah? In christianty, god's true name is Yaweh, but we do not call our creator that out of respect.


<b>Allah Has many Names and Attributes through which we as creation in addition to the other creation in the universe, live, function, benefit, rely on, ...etc. One of them Is Allah, there are Names and Attributes known to us, others mentioned in Quran, and others kept within Allah's Unknown knowledge.
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Insh aAllah also there are threads on that. Browse using Names and Attributes of Allah.


But I will just give u one example. It comforts me much to know that my Lord Is AlQayoum. The Qayoum is derived from the verb Yaqoum which translates as to stand up, to assume to carry on, to take responsibility of. So Allah Is Qayoum of the skies and earths. In other words, Allah Assumes responsibilities of, keeps standing up, skies and earths and all what thereis. For instance, thru this Attribute Allah Sustains the believer and non believer equally right? I mean no matter how one believes, he/she still receives what suffices to keep living. Allah Does not prevent the non believer or deny them of their rights over Him as the Creator who is also Qayoum. Did u get the point?? Also Allah Is Ghaffar which is an exaggerating adjective of to forgive u can say Oft Forgiving. Because when one of mankind (certainly since they are one of the creations who own the responsibility of making choice) repents to Allah, returns to Allah after sinning or disbelieving Allah thru the Oft Forgiving Accepts him back nicely and even change his bad deeds into good ones. Sorry I got carried out this topic is MY Favourite I love the Names and Attributes I can talk about them for ages...


Wel Me 2 has told me that Mohammed has performed miracles, but did the angel gabireal show himself to anyone else?


I<b> am not sure which type of miracles u r talking about. Let us classify. Prophet Mohamed salla Allah A`lyhee wa sallam was granted miracles (physical ones) from Allah to stand as proof in face of the stubborness of the pagans.
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Of them for example that the moon was cleft asunder *Quran 54). Actually it is very easy for Allah to bring these astounding miracles for people to believe, just as Allah Gave Mussa and Eassa (Jesus) physical miracles. however, the main miracle of Prophet Mohamed salla Allah A`lyhee wa sallam is the Quran and I say is because it was, is and shall remain so. Why? not only because of the language and Eloquence , not only because of the scientific facts...etc but because of all this together and more which we dont know and might know in the future. Actually the Quran makes a comprehensive manual of life for the human beings.


Matter of fact, at the time of the Messenger, the Arabs excelled in Arabic as a language and Allah Meant to challenge them in their own area of expretise. He revealed the Quran to an illiterate man from the desert who never left Arabia and never read the stories of the past people starting from Adam as cleary presented in Quran. Read it Alfredo.


Thank you all for helping, well, a very confused and soul-searching person.


<b>Insh a Allah we ask Allah that your confusion will be setteled soon enough and we are more than happy to be here and try to help Insh aAllah by the Will of Allah.
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[umm Zachariah]

Bismillah


Salam Alfredo


Welcome to the forum!


We are all here to learn and widen in knowledge inshaAllah, so please join us.


Many good inputs already from my brother and sisters alhamdulillah.


For now I will only add two verses from the Qur'an about revelation.


''It is not fitting for a man that Allah should speak to him except by inspiration, or from behind a veil, or by the sending of a messenger to reveal, with Allah's permission, what Allah wills: for He is Most High, Most Wise.



And thus have We, by Our Command, sent inspiration to thee: thou knewest not (before) what was Revelation, and what was Faith; but We have made the (Qur'an) a Light, wherewith We guide such of Our servants as We will; and verily thou dost guide (men) to the Straight Way'' THe Qur'an 42:51-52


Do not hesitate to raise questions.


salam

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


Alfredo may be u need to understand the difference between Quran as a miracle and the other physical miracles Allah Blessed the Messengers with such as the stick of Mussa and healing ability of Eassa (Jesus).


Such miracles were restricted on that time and the audience who were available at that particular time when the miracle occured. Unlike the Quran which sustained and Insh a Allah Shall remain in tact till the day after. It is restricted on time, place, ethnic or any other aspect. It is a manual for human beings to govern their lives till the Day After.

[Alfredo]

Thank you all for your wonderful inputs and warm welcomes [img]style_emoticons/default/smile.gif[/img]


I must say the Koran does look quite true, i'am reading it now. But, if god himself didn't reveal himself to Mohammed, did gabireal show himself to any others? And, as Wael has told me, Mohammed asended into heavean on a horse, are there any witness'es to this? And, if i may ask, if you all were oblivous to Islam and didn't know it exsisted, would we all be christians?

[Alfredo]

So i followed up on all of your requests to read to Koran, and i'am blown away. I have only read three chapters. I must say conversion isn't far from my mind. The desire to read more is overcoming me, i must go read some more [img]style_emoticons/default/smile.gif[/img] . Thank you all.

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah:

Thank you all for your wonderful inputs and warm welcomes  [img]style_emoticons/default/smile.gif[/img]
I must say the Koran does look quite true, i'am reading it now. But, if god himself didn't reveal himself to Mohammed, did gabireal show himself to any others?  And, as Wael has told me, Mohammed asended into heavean on a horse, are there any witness'es to this? And, if i may ask, if you all were oblivous to Islam and didn't know it exsisted, would we all be christians?

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im so glad that you've moved by reading the Qur'an, keep reading with understanding and ask anything that you need.


insha'Allah the brothers and sisters will answer your questions soon. [img]style_emoticons/default/smile.gif[/img]


peace


wael.

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


Peace Alfredo


Mash aAllah Alhamdulelah (Praise be to Allah) let me reply to a number of points:


Calling Allah Allah Is actually testifying to His Oneness, this Name is Execlusive to Allah no one dared to use it for himself. Even Pharo of Egypt when he said he said I am your higher lord never said I am Allah.


Names and Attributes of Allah are not just Names, they are like how we benefit of each Attribute, how we live through each Name which Shall remain and continue to be functioning till the Day After. Since Allah Does not rest.


As for Jebreel (Gabriel): when he used to bring down the revelation to the Messnenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam, he manifested in many forms mainly as a man. Since Jebreel in his original form is hard to be seen. Of course when Allah Wills he is seen. it was only once that the Messenger saw him in his original form.


As for the ascending to the skies. The trip actually began by a trip to Jerusalem where he leaded prayer with the other Messengers and Prophets. To this, when he came back the Meccan pagans didnt believe him, but he gave them an evidence that while coming back home he met a trade caravan on such a location which estimated to arrive to Mecca on such and such date. On that date they stood by the borders expecting the caravan which arrived on time. He also physically described to them Masjed Aqsa regardless that it was known that he never took a trip to the Masjed.


As for the ascending to the skies, no one can be witness to this, but as Abu Bakr said even before hearing his evidences about the trip to Aqsa, he said if Mohamed said he ascended to the skies I will belive him.


Alfredo continue with the Quran and as Wel said any questions are more than welcome.


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