Will All Christians Go To Hell?

[Anyabwile]

Hello Martini, if you are new here things have been kind of insane the past few weeks so bear with us all. From my understanding Christians as we belive them today will be amongst the losers in the hereafter. This is directly said in the Qur'an, those who do not follow Islam, which remember is submission to God, NOT a new religion Mohammed (peace be upon him) bought into the world. But those who do not submit themselves to God, and the correct way of doing this is in the Qur'an and the teachings of the final Prophet (Peace be upon him) Or the <b>original </b>teaching of Jesus, Moses and the other Prophets (Peace be upon them all) these teachings we no longer have, as they were for their time frame only. Those who do not submit to Islam will end up in Hell. This in my eyes as a Muslim is a fact. Not a comfortable or a pretty one, but a fact. <b>However</b>...


The Christians who did not in the past belive in the Trinity, and accepted Jesus (Peace be upon him) was simply a Prophet, one of the mightiest mind, but still a Prophet, then these Christians who lived before the arrival of the seal of the Prophets, will not go to hell. As shown by this verse...


"Surely those who belive (In the oneness of Allah, and His Final Messanger) and those who are Jews and the Sabians and the Christians who soever belived in Allah and the Last Day and worked righteousness, on them shall be no fear nor shall they greive" (The Noble Qur'an 5:69)


So those Christians who lived before The arrival of Prophet Mohammed (Peace be upon him) will obviously not be frying in hell. Because those who belived Jesus was a messanger (peace be upon him), and not God walking around on the earth and those who rejected or had never heard of the trinity and followed Jesus original pure word, which was meant for his time and his people only they will Insha Allah enter heaven.


Everyone else who started to change things (Those after his time and modern Christians) and especially those who said God had a son, God is three Gods Father, Son Holy spirit and basically left the original teachings of Jesus or all the Prophets Allah (Subhanahu wa ta'ala) had sent before them which were all simply those Submitting to God the definition of which is Muslim. Then those people who deviated from the original teachings they were given will end up in Hell. This is how he who created us works, this is the order of living we have been given alongside the order of creation. (why it is like this is for another topic and post i think)


But the messanger for our time and the one for humanity is Prophet Mohammed (Peace be upon him) So Christians can embrace the religion of Jesus Islam = Submission to God and enter heaven and still love Jesus. And Allhumdullilah they are doing so Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, new reverts / converts are almost double that to Christianity in the last research into this i read. I may well be wrong with the exact figures but it's double if not near so.


So these modern day Christians All they have to stop doing is saying Jesus is Allah (Subhanahu wa ta'ala) and Allah / God is three people in one but he exists all the same in all of them. And embrace Islam, and they will enter heaven Insha Allah (God Willing). This is the Islamic beleif, modern day Christians do not agree obviously, this why they are still Christian, but this is our beleif. Which i belive is what you wanted to know so i have tried my humble best. Anything positive and right here, is from Allah (Subhanahu wa ta'ala) any errors or ugliness <b>my fault!</b> So don't watch them. Anyway the other members who know much more than me will clean up any errors i have made here but this is essentially how it works.

[honeycomb]

i think i've said this story 3x already, just in this forum! but i'll tell it again, specially for u Martini... once the non-muslim Chinese asked will they go to Hell because they disbelieve Allah & Islam, my Islamic lecturer simply said, "why would you ask Heaven from the God you don't even believe?" & smiled.


it's so simple, really...

[Anyabwile]

i think i've said this story 3x already, just in this forum! but i'll tell it again, specially for u Martini... once the non-muslim Chinese asked will they go to Hell because they disbelieve Allah & Islam, my Islamic lecturer simply said, "why would you ask Heaven from the God you don't even believe?" & smiled.
it's so simple, really... 

Well this is the question i have had and have asked and it's never been answered. I as a Muslim do not go every single day to a Christian forum or any other religious forum and ask questions over and over and over day in day out. It's just not needed at all. Islam is the truth i've found it, i'm fine. Continually day in day out posting for months on end not even asking questions but just seeing what the latest posts are etc, i don't know i don't get it. This would indicate me searching for something. I'm not searching for anything so i see no need to do this as a Muslim.


Im interested in other religions to a point because some link with Islam, some are strange etc. Natural interest someone would have in something fine, but only to a point so if i had a specific question i would go to a forum and ask it, but only after i'd exhausted all other means to be honest. Books, Religious leaders, the original scriptures etc. But as for contiually looking to see whats been posted at these forums on other religionsand just hanging around daily, when i'm supposed to be confident in my religion It's completely bizzare. The odd question from someone who genuinely is interested is fine, but when it becomes more than that, and on a regular basis, several times a day, it tells me this person isn't happy with something they've got.

[honeycomb]

well... if i understand u correctly, i think you are OK.. even brave to still be there to answer remarks from them. if it's me, i'd just leave. i'm not that tough. still like Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), i believe, we can only give the message but, it's for them, to believe or not.


so now I'm sticking to nice Islamic forums where I wouldn't be cursed & portrayed at a terrorist. when i was at another forum too (it's not even a religious forum), the ppl started posting anti-muslim remarks when they knew I'm muslim.. but there's a guy, he was very nice & defended me. I think he's Christian as he was blasted as well by the anti-religions. so, i should give him credit & say Christians aren't necessarily anti-muslim. even he was blasted with anti remarks as well. when we left, the atheists said they missed us bcoz they can't make fun of us anymore.


i once read another forum, where like u said, ppl ask the same thing many times -- as if unpleased with the answer. one muslim girl wrote very articulately & intelligently to answer them. even i was wowed! she was very good! but still, when ppl don't wanna believe they'll just don't. so don't be too hard on urself ok...

[umm Zachariah]

Assalamu aleikum,


Hi Martini,


<i>''I have read the Quran. I posted the suras above directly from the Quran (obviously). What I am doing now is trying to find out how to interpret these suras. ''</i>


If you do not know Arabic, and as fully as possible TRULY want to understand what Allah, SWT is telling you in the Qur'an, I can recommend you to http://www.tafsir.com/ there you can check out which Surah it is that you have problem with, and you will have a VERY good explanation.


Regards

[Dan]

Bismillah


As Salam alaikum


It sounds like someone has been visiting a pro-christian/anti-Islam site. It is almost a formula now.


As Salam alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu

[Anyabwile]

Bismillah
As Salam alaikum


It sounds like someone has been visiting a pro-christian/anti-Islam site. It is almost a formula now.


As Salam alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu

I think some of Rehmats paranoia is rubbing off on me you know. As something about Martini's style of writing reminds me of other members on here. Just the delivery in words.


Anyway good to see you here brother, post more.

[Dan]

Bismillah


Nonmuslims find these little sites that say the same garbage about Islam and believe that they have discovered the key to discrediting Islam. It is a joke. The reason why they sound the same is because many times the people are not smart enough to put the websites' words into their own, just "copy and paste" jobs. I'm getting sick of these type of posts also. It seems that questions have been phased out in favor of debates over answers. Would I have ever gotten out of high school if every time I disagreed with a teacher I put up a big fuss? Ask a question get some answeres move on. Don't argue if you do not like the answer or did not get the one that you wanted. Anyway, I am ranting so I will stop.


As Salam alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu

[Anyabwile]

I'm getting sick of these type of posts also.  It seems that questions have been phased out in favor of debates over answers.  Would I have ever gotten out of high school if every time I disagreed with a teacher I put up a big fuss?  Ask a question get some answeres move on.  Don't argue if you do not like the answer or did not get the one that you wanted. 

Brother i just have to second you on this. This is what i've been saying. We can only answer to a point and then after that, how far are we supposed to go? In circles? They come here ask a question we answer, they don't like the answer and then we answer again fine, try and clear up things, but then they still dont like that so we answer again, and then it goes on and on and on like we have to prove Qur'an to them. This doesn't apply just to "Martini" but the other posters as well i feel. Like the Qur'an is it the original word debate has been done three times since i've been at these forums, by the same person as well, how many times? It's almost like the Bible is perfect and <b>not</b> full of forged stories and blatant errors. It just doesn't seem like our job to have to defend Qur'an to them, it's the natural order that they should be explaining whats in the Bible to us. Man, if i got started on Bible posts and questions we'd be here all day and things would really get messy. But why i have no need? I have my own views about the Bible and i know through researching my self what it's status should be. I'm very happy with Islam, so questions on why this and why that, are not needed now. I would have at one point but not now, i am very warm and snug and comfortable with my religion. And watch how we get told off or questioned by Christians for mentioning the bible as <i>not being authentic </i> in our own forums as well (which are Islamic forums as a reminder for those who've forgot), just watch. Anyway i just wanted to quote what you said and sound off a little too . I agree wholeheartedly.


Assalamu Alalikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


Peace martini


u r right making sarcastic comments without providing answers is no use.


u want a serious answer here is a full thread dedicated to this if only u were serious in your questions and browsed


http://www.islamsms.com/bb/index.php?showtopic=1729&hl=


as salam alykom brothers and sisters


Honey I liked so much your story so relevant. I am not sure why they busy themselves, come to muslim boards if they dont belive in Allah. Well seems there is something hidden inside them calling them in.


Anya I agree with u that is why we alway prefer not to flood the board with bible conents. It makes me feel I am in a christian board. why do I have to dedicate whole thread explaining bible and talmud. what is the point. Also why do I have to keep defending and pushing I feel I am repeating myself. I will stop.


My holidy is over and I am back to work tomorrow Insh a Allah