No War For Izrael

[Anyabwile]

Laians situation is so difficult, this is why i sympathise for the few good genuine soldiers that there must be out there, who would be seen to be the same as the low life scumballs that probably form the vast Majority. Very difficult situation, especially as one is not only a friend or a cousin but a <b>brother</b> of hers. Very difficult situation being a Muslim. I know some who would say that you can only try so much regarding Da'wah etc but at the end of the day, your family are not going to be there with you beside you on the day when you are questioned. This is how i've had to look at my own situation. However i second the prayers for the good people out there, and i second this as well....

I pray that he will find a good impression of Islam and inshaAllah one day take shahada.

A lot of people have ignorant pre formed views of Islam, even i did at one point a few years ago. Not as extreme a view as some, but i didn't really know much, until i looked into it myself and now look at me! So i imagine some of the stuff these soldiers are fed cannot but help them have an <b>even more </b>negative view of Muslims. However i personally find it hard to belive the soldiers are told to respect the Muslims customs and traditions / beleifs. This is hardly going to get them into the "fighting spirit" is it. I've just read so many bad reports from the soldiers themselves, it really is hard to picture them receiving training on how to respect the religion of Islam. Maybe your brother told you this for obvious reasons, would he really tell you the opposite. I do not envy your situation, i will make Dua for you.

[Dan]

Bismillah


As Salam alaikum


Every army tries to demonize and dehumanize its opponents in order to ease the soldiers minds for the job that they have to do. Most people do not like violence, do not like the murder of innocent people. How difficult must it be to think that you are serving a greater good but all you see around you is destruction from bombs and artillery? In order to cope with such tragedy and confliction, the mind develops defensive techniques like trying to pretend that the people you are hurting are not really people or that they truly deserve how they are being treated.


I do not condone any of the military actions but I am only trying to show what these people might be going through. It seems like the only decision that these soldiers get to make is whether or not they are going to be part of the war machine. After becoming involved, no longer does the soldier do the thinking for himself. He is only supposed to react to commands, just a cog in the machine doing its job. Of course, what can you expect with the education that many Americans are recieving now a days? It is no longer education to promote cognitive development but rather to develop an intrinsic sense of nationalism that automatically kicks in when ever the government needs it. It teaches children not to question wars but rather just to understand why the US is correct in fighting such wars. I am digressing. Sorry. That's another tirade.


As Salam alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu

[Rehmat]

......It teaches children not to question wars but rather just to understand why the US is correct in fighting such wars.....

It's called MIND CONTROL


http://www.paranoiamagazine.com/abughraib.html

[laian]

Assalamu alaikum everyone,


I know it is hard to believe that the army trains its soldiers to respect the muslim culture, but I will briefly list what my brother told me in training.


I should emphasize that my brother and I are extremely close, and have been all our lives. I have no reason to believe he was lying, and in fact he was telling me what was in his training to check with me if it was really accurate. Of course he did not tell me everything, but he gave me several points that he remembered off the top of his head.


These are the <b>requirements</b> of soldiers, according to his training.


1. Not allowed to wear any sort of religious symbols


2. Not allowed to talk to anyone about their own religion


(those two are strictly enforced for the reason that they do not want unnecessary fights to be started)


3. If they enter any mosques, they are required to remove their shoes. It was explained the mosques are places of worship to be respected. They are also advised against touching or handling any Qur'ans without permission from people in the mosque.


4. If they are invited into someone's home, they are required to remain in the room they are put, and not to wander around the house, as this may impose on the privacy of the women in the house. The concept of hijab is explained to them (accurately, as far as I can tell), and it's importance emphasized.


He also told me that although they have plenty of people available to clean up around the base for free, they instead employ iraqis to do the same work, paying them about $52 a day. $52 in iraq is equivalent to roughly $1000 in america (i'd love to be making $1000 a day).


He also told me some things that were not accurate, such as they were taught about the hajj, that it is required for every muslim who is able to go at least once in his lifetime. That part was correct, but they also told them that after a muslim goes to hajj, they can add mohammed to their name. I told him I have no idea where they came up with that crazy idea.


So sure there are probably many things they are taught that are not true, or that go against the idea of being respectful, but from what I can tell they are not interested in getting the soldiers into the "fighting spirit," as their goal is to keep the peace long enough to proceed with the elections.


Allaho alim

[Anyabwile]

but from what I can tell they are not interested in getting the soldiers into the "fighting spirit," as their goal is to keep the peace long enough to proceed with the elections.

I won't get into too much of a debate with you on this as it's obviously very close to your heart. Plus it's late and i'm very tired. Needless to say i don't agree with the above or especially this...

If they are invited into someone's home, they are required to remain in the room they are put, and not to wander around the house, as this may impose on the privacy of the women in the house. The concept of hijab is explained to them (accurately, as far as I can tell), and it's importance emphasized.

More for the fact of videos shown on the news of soldiers storming in to peoples homes, and dragging men out by their twisted arms. This is seen on the news as the norm so the above is just not true. Or if it is true..they ignore it.


I just don't buy the whole soldiers of justice thing that you are pushing, although i understand why. It's like argumens on race, i never get into them because they are too close to my heart. So i just leave them be and let other discuss.


Obviously i'm not saying you shouldn't comment on it, of course you can obviously do as you wish, but i would suggest engaging in debate on a topic like this will not get you very far because of the feelings involved. I don't know maybe i am wrong. I just don't agree with what you are saying here.

[laian]

It's not a matter of opinion, I am telling you <b>fact</b> about what my brother was taught in training.


Whether or not soldiers follow these guidelines is a different story.


But none of what I posted is my opinion. It is, as I said, what my brother told me of his training. So whether or not you "agree" is not the point, that's what he was taught, plain and simple. What actually happens in the homes of iraqi's is irrelevant. I am only talking about what my brother was <b>taught in training</b>.


As far as what you see on the news, why would any news media report on a soldier happily enjoying a cup of tea with some friendly iraqis? All media is only interested in the provocative story.


My brother has made a couple friends with iraqis so far, one who is teaching him the language and how to pronounce words. You'll never see that on the media.


Of course this does not mean I agree with the violence that goes on. It is a shame and a disgrace to the american people. Just my thoughts.

[Anyabwile]

It's not a matter of opinion, I am telling you <b>fact</b> about what my brother was taught in training.
Whether or not soldiers follow these guidelines is a different story.


But none of what I posted is my opinion. It is, as I said, what my brother told me of his training. So whether or not you "agree" is not the point, that's what he was taught, plain and simple. What actually happens in the homes of iraqi's is irrelevant. I am only talking about what my brother was <b>taught in training</b>.

Right, well i thought i was being as nice as i could in the proceeding posts in this topic regarding you and your situation but it hasn't softened your approach to me. The reverse actually, regardless. Just because your brother told you something doesn't make it a fact come on now. What is he going to tell you? what they are really told to do? Rubbish. You're kidding yourself. If you are as close as you seem to be i can't see him wanting to hurt your feelings like this, Islam is too deep in peoples hearts, all non Muslims know this. I have expierienced simlar things with my family myself.


I don't belive the Soldiers are taught half the things you are saying and in reality neither do you probably, it just hurts to much to admit it. So putting fact in bold capitals quite rudely may i add is irrelevant, was you actually there when they were receiving the training? Maybe, just possibly if you were living with the Muslims in Iraq getting their heads stomped in and having their children shot while playing in the street, you'd feel differently. Although now let me guess you're going to tell me it's not as bad as the media makes out right? From what you're posting it seems like you haven't looked into this deep enough. Outside of the sphere of personal emotions, you'd see it as the rest of the Muslim nation is seeing it.


Asalam Alaikum

[Rehmat]

The Iraqis wonder who invited the Zionist-like American occupation soldiers, who exercised the same inhuman and barbaric policies in their attempt to take control over Iraq, as reflected through the random detention of Iraqi men, women, elderly and even children; and the destruction and looting of their homes and properties under the claim of ‘hunting down’ resistance fighters.


As a result, tens of thousands of Iraqis (over 100,000 by some estimates) were were killed. The US mistakenly assumed such actions would somehow twist the arms of the Muslim people of Iraq and would eventually subjugate them.


It is about time the US public realize that they are fighting a losing battle against Islam, for Islam is the True religion of God. A nation that takes the True religion and its Shari’ah as a way of life can never be defeated. The Muslim nation may lose a battle or two but they can never lose the war.


Today’s crusaders are facing the same defeat as that of their ancestors who, throughout history, had failed in their crusades against the Muslim nation.


On the other hand, the Muslims must realize it is only time separating the US from losing its military and economy power, because such is Allah’s way in destroying the oppressors.


Allah says: “And these towns We destroyed when they did wrong. And We appointed a fixed time for their destruction.” [surah AlKahf, 18: Verse 59]