Adultery – In Biblical And Islamic Terms

[Rehmat]

Rehmat, doesn't the Quran take precidence over the hadiths?  If one contradicts the other, for example lashing verses stoning, shouldn't the Quran be followed and only lashings?

Asslam-o-Aiakum


A good question dear. I am not an Islamic theologist, therefore, I will be very short on this subject.


Yes Holy Qur'an is the Word of Allah - therefore, it indeed has precident of everything else. However, the basic rationality of a Prophet is to interpret the message of God, under the Divine Guidance. For, example, there is no mention of how to pray Salaat, or how many times, or how many Rakahs. It was all taught to the Believers by the Prophet (pbuh).


A Muslim scholar could interpret the Holy Qur'an's message (Ijtehad) - Only if there is no clear and genuine interpretation available in the Seerah of the Prophet (pbuh).


Allah knows the best.

[Dan]

Bismillah


As Salam alaikum


I always remember, as Anyabwile said, that I truly lack comprehensive knowledge. The prophet was the only one who knew everything about Islam. After that, muslims had to rely on the collective understanding of its scholars. So if something is not making sense to me, then I remember that I am not fully educated and that this misunderstanding is due to my ignorance of the deen. Since I cannot know everything as I would like, I am patient and understand that Tawheed is real and logical and all else flows from that. I do not ignore what I do not understand but I keep it active in my mind until I feel that I have talked to someone or learned somewhere the missing link of my knowledge. If it never comes, then Alhamdulillah. I mean, don't commit adultery and it will not happen. Do we as citizens of our countries worry about all the laws that do not seem to make sense to us? Not really, until they affect our lives. I do not understand why people get so worked up or worry about concerns that do not affect them except as how they let them affect them. I do not plan on committing adultery so I am not worried about getting stoned. Easy solution. If I do not want to go to jail for drugs, then I will stay away from them. If I do not want a speeding ticket, then I will not speed. Easy.


As Salam alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


Jazakum Allah khairan Dan for this explanation


And Rehmat, u were brief but to the point Mash a Allah


Radiyah I dont think we need to verify what Eassa salla Allah u a`lyhee wa sallam said unless we are going to follow. Since Alhamdulelah we are following what the Quran and Sunnah are saying it then suffice.

[radiyah]

Bismillah
Jazakum Allah khairan Dan for this explanation


And Rehmat, u were brief but to the point Mash a Allah


Radiyah I dont think we need to verify what Eassa salla Allah u a`lyhee wa sallam said unless we are going to follow. Since Alhamdulelah we are following what the Quran and Sunnah are saying it then suffice.

Bismillah


U r correct, and that is what I ended my post with, then no need to ask


Wasalam

[NaSra]

<i>reminder for john</i>


For those who believe not in their Lord there is the punishment of hell; And what a wretched destination!


When they are cast into it, they will hear it roar and raging,


As though it would burst with fury.


Every time a crowd is thrown into it, its wardens will ask:


"Did no warner come to you?"


And they will answer: "Surely; a warner came to us,


But we denied him, and said:


God did not send down any thing; you are greatly deluded, in fact.’ "


They will say: "If we had listened and been wise,


We would not have been among the inmates of Hell."


So will they confess their guilt. Deprived (of all joys) will be the inmates of hell.


<b>surah 67:6-10 The Kingdom (Al-Mulk)</b>


back to the topic


Johndoe


That mentally ill girl should not be stoned according to the <i>shariah law</i> She's obviously not mentally fit to know what she's doing. There is a authentic hadith that the insane should not be held accountable for their actions, Allah himself won't even hold them responsible. So what gives anyone the right to put her in any trial? Thats injustice.


I just read the full story omg SHE's the victim! That mother of her (is infact guilty) she should be held responsible. SubhanaAllah what kind of a mother can do that to her own daughter?

[umm Zachariah]

Assalamu aleikum,


Hi JohnDoe,


Maybe you should read the other posts to get a better understanding chain? Otherwise it may become just as what you point out that you do, you pick and choose from religions what is approprite, and it may result in that you 'miss the point'.


''...the route of compassion, mercy, love, humilty and humanity...always...''


These are teachings of Islam - just a thought...


''I feel I am capable of leading myself to where I need to be rather than rely on religious dogma.''


Of course that is your choice, but that is also to deny that there already is Someone out there directing you, whether you know it or not.


The laws given to us by Allah, SWT is given to us so that we will act in an appropriate way towards each other, and take responsibility for our lives and actions and therefore restrain or control ourselves from doing things that breaks the law. The law will help us to know what is right and wrong, what is acceptable and not acceptable before Allah, SWT. IF He had not given us these laws we would not have been able to distinguish from what is right and wrong. So it is out of compassion towards His creation He has given us laws to follow. He didn't just created us and then left us without guidance.



All other things created by Him follows His law without questioning - the sun rises every morning, the night takes over the day, the planets run around in their orbits without coming on a collision course, the flowers that was asleeep during the winter wakes up in the spring and gives us humans so many positive feelings just by looking at them and so forth. Also the animals follow their needs only, to eat, to sleep and to multiply. BUT we humans have been given a conscience and that gives us responsibility, we must think before we act. We have been given the capacity to plan our actions before doing them. It is truly a great gift.


Regards

[Rehmat]

I see no evidence of it.

Hmmmmmmm!


The way I read, you lost your tongue, while making foolish comments to the three QUOTE

[Anyabwile]

JohnDoe is like the class idiot at the back, insulting the majority or saying anything that disagree's with the majority, just for reaction. Why try and debate with him? if we read through his last posts he doesn't even know what his own stance on anything is. Now he agrees with stoning people to death, when before in his own words it was only the "savage / Barbaric Muslims" who agree to this. Umm and the like are putting in so much effort trying to explain, while to him this is just a bit off fun insulting Muslims in his lunchbreak at work or inbetween surfing the net. Why else would he keep coming on.


It's just so much effort and so many words are spent by good Muslims trying to respond to his posts in a diplomatic and kind sensible manner. When those words could at least be put to good use by exposing his foolishness, or simply mocking him. It's much more enjoyable / amusing to read. Otherwise anyone who participates in debate will go around in circles, and it will be led to where he wants to lead it, depending on what his opinion or view is today. He'll have a skim through as he says, see what the majority is, and oppose it.


He is Agnostic for goodness sake. He doesn't know what he agrees with. I was serious when i asked if there's someway his posts can be blocked so i don't have to scroll past them. As when trying to ignore him it's inevitable i will catch some foolishness. Muslimah can you help me on this.


<i>The views and opinions of Anyabwile do not necessarily state or reflect those of the Islam Message forum or "Muslims" as a whole</i>

[laian]

I keep hearing in my mind..... "He who is without sin, cast the first stone".  Jesus says this in the Bible, yes I know, we follow Quran, but we respect Jesus as a prophet as well.  I just keep hearing that in the back of my head when I think of stoning.

You are actually not far off the mark with this shaunee, although as muslima confirmed that we are not concerned with following 'eisa's alaihi salam teachings because we have the Qur'an, but the message is about the same as can be found from mohammed saws.


and that is of <b>forgiveness</b>


there is a hadith and I can't quote it exactly right now, maybe someone will know the exact one, but I will tell it as I remember it, there was a woman who committed adultery and she came to the prophet saws to confess and he turned away from her as though he did not hear and told her to go away, but she insisted and confessed and begged him to carry out the proper punishment, so he reluctantly then agreed and ordered that she be stoned to death. This example is that the prophet saws wanted only to forgive the woman, he did not want to hear her confession, and we all should want to forgive as much as possible, because in the end any transgression is only between the person and Allah. This is similar to the saying of 'eisa alaihi salam as you remembered.


to continue the story of this woman, as I remember it, after the woman was dead some of the people were talking about her and about what kind of awful punishments she will receive in the next life for her transgression. The prophet saws overheard and told them, she is completely without sin and will receive no punishment in the next life, she paid for her sins in this world fully and is now cleared of them, and she will go to jannah.


please someone correct me if I have gotten any of that story wrong.

[umm Zachariah]

Assalamu aleikum,


Brothers I have read your comments, let me just explain my aim.


I do perfectly well understand that John is playing some kind of 'Tom and Jerry' thing. BUT since this is a public forum and there are many others visiting here that approach Islams teaching in a different softer way, IF questions about Islam can be straightened out, then al'hamdulillah.


When questions become lesser offensive and 'has not much to say' I don't necessary feel it means to circle round, it could also mean taking another and new path. I am but guessing here, since I cannot know the inner wishes to find the truth, neither when it concerns John or anyone else. So as long as I feel I can help in any way, then I feel I have the obligation to do that, if kept on a decent level.


Wasalam


Hi JohnDoe,


I do hold the thought in my heart and soul al'hamdulillah, but the words were yours and the tip was also to you...


You say you do not see any evidence of Him - what kind of evidence are you looking for? What approach would be the best do you think?


These are sincere questions from my side.


BUT - if you can also give me some sincerity, so we can continue or back off - are you TRULY interested in knowing about Islam and Allah, SWT or is your aim something else? I do think this question has been raised way back, if I do not remember wrongly. Are you here to make fun of Islam and Muslims or do you approach a serious learning in this aggresive way? Can we clear this little detail up so we can move forward in some way?


Regards