Jihad in Palestine

[wel_mel]

salam all,

to Muslimah <

I think u r confused about this point, \"some who are sincere\" try to look it again. Sincere in what? sincere about what?????? re read the ayah u posted again with more insight.

i think i meant what i said.. maybe because of my experiance with Jews and Christians, but i did mean that among them are some who are sincere in everything. and in fact among them are some who are better than "MUSLIMS" , so i am talking about good Christians and good Jews. which means, SOME OF THEM.

sister have you heared this saying before "MUSLIM WITHOUT DEEN" ?

to deen <

Allah forbids His believing servants from having Jews and Christians as friends, because they are the enemies of Islam and its people, may Allah curse them. Allah then states that they are friends of each other and He gives a warning threat to those who do this,

Allah did not forbid his believing servants of having Jews and Christians as friends.. this verse was talking about the Jews and Christians in the time of "one of the prophet's battles" it was not talking about each and every jew and christian..

The Qur'an also tells us in Chapter 5, verse 82 - Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, we are Christians: because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.

so you have no right to say May Allah curse them, because among them are good and sincere people, but the majority of them are perverted transgressors.

well, this is not an argument brother and sister this is only my opinion according to my little understanding. Jazakum Allahu khiran.

salam

wel_mel.

[Muslimah]

Jazzakallah Kheyr Muslimah - Only those Christians who believe that Isa (as) is a messenger of Allah [sWT] and do not associate Isa (as) as the son of Allah [sWT] Na'audhubillah are the ones who have imaan like the companions of Isa (as). I have not met a Christian nor heard of any who say Isa (as) is a messenger.

as salam alykom

I must add one point here Deen, there are ones who say Eassa is a Messenger Sobhan Allah, there are ones who can not pray to Eassa, they are the ones who search and later come to Islam.. I met some.

[Deen]

as salam alykomI must add one point here Deen, there are ones who say Eassa is a Messenger Sobhan Allah, there are ones who can not pray to Eassa, they are the ones who search and later come to Islam.. I met some.

(Walikum)

Jazaakallah-kheyr for that.

But since the dawn of Islam i.e. Muhammad [saw's] arrival, Allah obliged them to follow the final rasool. So if they deny or disbelieve rasool then they are NOT of those who have imaan, as only muslims have imaan.

The kufaar have aqeedah but not imaan, this is the distinction which should be made.

[radiyah]

To Radiyah. If I am not mistaken an Ayah say:إن تنصروا الله ينصركم ويثبت أقدامكم

best translated as if u grant Allah victory, in an implication of course to supporting His deen, observing His rules, fighting against His enemies and so forth not physically support or help Allah, certainly He does not need us.

Thanku sister Muslimah, now like this it is okay I guess, it is just choosing the wrong words sometimes for translation. Jazzaky Allah kheer.

of course among them are some who are sincere. The Qur'an explained: that \" If only the people of the Book had faith, it were best for them, AMONG THEM ARE SOME HAVE FAITH, but most of them are perverted transgressors. 3:110

This Aya begins as following :

10. You [true believers in Islâmic Monotheism, and real followers of Prophet Muhammad and his Sunnah (legal ways, etc.)] are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind; you enjoin Al-Ma'rûf (i.e. Islâmic Monotheism and all that Islâm has ordained) and forbid Al-Munkar (polytheism, disbelief and all that Islâm has forbidden), and you believe in Allâh. And had the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) believed, it would have been better for them; among them are some who have faith, but most of them are Al-Fâsiqûn (disobedient to Allâh - and rebellious against Allâh's Command).
3,110

Now when Allah Almighty says here as " among them are some who have faith" which it is in arabic المؤمنون it means the true beleivers in Allah and all his profits. So he first addressed muslims as true beleivers who beleive in monotheism and followers of prophet Muhammad(Pbuh), and he talked about the manners of true muslims, and then he said that if those people of scripture beleived in what u beleived it would have been better for them, and then Allah wanted to make clear to allmankind from that time uptodate, that not all of them will stay on their trinity beleifs, some at the time of the prophet who beleived, and some who will beleive later in future, so this is another sign that these words are from Allah and not the prophet, because, it is talking of future ahead.

So if christians do not beleive in prophet Muhammad as prophet from Allah and does not beleive in Quran as the word of Allah, then they are not Mu'minoon, true beleivers, because they adress prophet Muhammad as liar(a'othobillah), and that the quran was taught to him by monks. So those who have faith are the true beleivers who beleive in onnes of Allah, and beleive in all prophets and prophet Muhammad as well. Our scholar sheikh sayed nooh said that christians who beleive in onnes of Allah, and heard of prophet Muhammad and did not beleive in him, then they are unbeleivers, because Allah Almighty said in his Holy Book"

Bismillah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem:

85. And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.
Al-Imran

and then at the end of the surrah Allah Almighty says :

Bismillah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem:

199. And there are, certainly, among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), those who believe in Allâh and in that which has been revealed to you, and in that which has been revealed to them, humbling themselves before Allâh. They do not sell the Verses of Allâh for a little price, for them is a reward with their Lord. Surely, Allâh is Swift in account.
Al-Imran

So here Allah Almighty explains that those who have faith among the the people of the scripture are those who humbly beleive in Allah and what is revealed to them and to prophet Muhammad.

Another point here that we all muslims should know that when we want to look at the Quran we do not take it as it is written sometimes, especially the english translation, because it does not convey the true meaning of the Quran, there are some ayas that are clear for the reader and others that are not and only Allah and the scholars who know the true meaning as Allah says at the begining of Al_imran:

Bismillah Al-Rahman Al-raheem:

7. It is He Who has sent down to you (Muhammad ) the Book (this Qur'ân). In it are Verses that are entirely clear, they are the foundations of the Book [and those are the Verses of Al-Ahkâm (commandments, etc.), Al-Farâ'id (obligatory duties) and Al-Hudud (legal laws for the punishment of thieves, adulterers, etc.)]; and others not entirely clear. So as for those in whose hearts there is a deviation (from the truth) they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof, seeking Al-Fitnah (polytheism and trials, etc.), and seeking for its hidden meanings, but none knows its hidden meanings save Allâh. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in it; the whole of it (clear and unclear Verses) are from our Lord." And none receive admonition except men of understanding. (Tafsir At-Tabarî).


So I hope I added to what brother Deen and sister Muslimah said. May Allah Almighty accepts from me, if I am mistaken from my ignorance if I am right from Allah Al-mighty.

(Assalam)

[Deen]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="1451" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Allah forbids His believing servants from having Jews and Christians as friends, because they are the enemies of Islam and its people, may Allah curse them. Allah then states that they are friends of each other and He gives a warning threat to those who do this,

Allah did not forbid his believing servants of having Jews and Christians as friends.. this verse was talking about the Jews and Christians in the time of "one of the prophet's battles" it was not talking about each and every jew and christian..


The Qur'an also tells us in Chapter 5, verse 82 - Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, we are Christians: because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.


so you have no right to say May Allah curse them, because among them are good and sincere people, but the majority of them are perverted transgressors.


well, this is not an argument brother and sister this is only my opinion according to my little understanding. Jazakum Allahu khiran.


salam


wel_mel.

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Wel Mel,


What I have produced are not my own words, they are copied and pasted from the tafsir of Ibn Kathir. If you have a problem with Ibn Kathir's opinions or understanding then that is between you and him and I suggest you take it up with him on Day of Judgement.


As for me cursing the kufaar, again, this is what Ibn Kathir wrote and I did not write this from myself.


Please see link below:


http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=5&tid=14082

[revelation]

Dear Radiyah,


Fatwa were made by human beings. Human beings are not perfect. They are greatly affected by their upbringing, their education, their social status, their emotion etc. In short, all islamic scholars are not perfect. So, we shld not rely on fatwa alone. Allah will never permit killing of innocent children, animals and women.


Does a criminal who launch a suicide attack absolved himself from his sins.? Think again. Does an innocent child who know nothing of the world yet, deserve to die just because of jihad???? Killing by suicide bombers will increase hatred for Islam all over the world, period. History tells us those who commit mass murder are committed to the history hall of infamy. Just like Hitler, Stalin. Do not tarnish the image of Islam by blindly supporting every jihad!

[Rehmat]

Does a criminal who launch a suicide attack absolved himself from his sins.?  Think again.  Does an innocent child who know nothing of the world yet, deserve to die just  because of jihad????  Killing by suicide bombers will increase hatred for Islam all over the world, period.  History tells us those who commit mass murder are committed to the history hall of infamy.  Just like Hitler, Stalin.  Do not tarnish the image of Islam by blindly supporting every jihad!

Are you living under Israeli occupation currently? If you, like me, are not there – then you have no right to call those so-called ‘suicide bombers’ as ‘criminal’. It’s very easy to make judgment, while sitting inside your cozy living-room, and playing on laptop. Put yourself in Palestinians’ situation, and then let me know how strong your ‘Eman’ is?


Yes, if those Palestinian have F-16s, Tanks, gunboats, bulldozers, and a few WMDs – And then they use ‘Suicidal attacks, - just like the Americans and Japanese did during WW II and Jews in Palestine in the 1940s – I will join you to call such Palestinian acts as criminal.


According to Islam, if the enemy kills civilians from us, then they have declared a war from all directions upon us. We as Muslims must not start killing civilians, because in Islam, we are forbidden to start it: "...if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people...(Holy Qur’an 5:32)"


But when we are confronted with an enemy that doesn't care about civilization and human value and worth, then the Noble Quran instructs us: "O ye who believe! the law of equality is prescribed to you in cases of murder: the free for the free, the slave for the slave, the woman for the woman. But if any remission is made by the brother of the slain, then grant any reasonable demand, and compensate him with handsome gratitude, this is a concession and a Mercy from your Lord. After this whoever exceeds the limits shall be in grave penalty. (Holy Qur’an, 2:178)"


"Let those fight in the cause of God Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of God,- whether he is slain or gets victory - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value). (Holy Qur’an, 4:74)"


As to the so-called Palestinian suicide bombers today, the religious leaders of the Islamic organizations inside Palestine made it very clear that they are giving the verdict (fatwa) to kill the civilian Jews inside Israel, because (1) the Jews are killing civilians from us; (2) the Jews are building more settlements and are not withdrawing from the lands that they were not supposed to be in since 1991; and (3) the Jews are all armed and dangerous and their civilians do use their weapons against the unarmed Palestinian civilians.


So my answer would be, may Allah bless our Muslim brothers and sisters in Palestine and grant great rewards to its ‘Martyr Bombers’.


BTW - I hope you know that you just reported two Jew mass-criminals - Hitler and Stalin, while ignoring Karl Marx, Theodor Herzl, David Gurion and Ariel Sharon.

[radiyah]

Dear Radiyah,
Fatwa were made by human beings.  Human beings are not perfect.  They are greatly affected by their upbringing, their education, their social status, their emotion etc.  In short, all islamic scholars are not perfect.  So,  we shld not rely on fatwa alone.  Allah will never permit killing of innocent children, animals and women. 


Does a criminal who launch a suicide attack absolved himself from his sins.?  Think again.  Does an innocent child who know nothing of the world yet, deserve to die just  because of jihad????  Killing by suicide bombers will increase hatred for Islam all over the world, period.  History tells us those who commit mass murder are committed to the history hall of infamy.  Just like Hitler, Stalin.  Do not tarnish the image of Islam by blindly supporting every jihad!

Al-Salam 'alaykom


I will add a few sentences here to what brother Rehmat said, Palestine is occupied, every palestinian has the right to defend himself in whatsoever way he sees it, and when scholars give fatwas about jihad in Palestine they do not give it from their own nafs, if u r a muslim u should know that, Fatwas are given according to Quran and ahadeeth of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH), so do u disagree with that, and how about looking at those pictures below to affirm those suicide bombings:








Just look at the Photo below, are u pleased with it ,




















If I put millions of pictures they will not be enough, and there are others that i did not like to put here because they are horrifying because of the torture that is commited over innocent palestininas and then this is a quote from a paragraph written in a subject about palestinians"


The internal organs of murdered Palestinians often are removed so that they can be used on the "organ market." Israeli Arab parliamentarian Ahmed Teibi brought this issue to the Parliament's attention. The photographs below depict Palestinians who were killed in the Khan Yunis refugee camp, and whose organs were discovered missing during autopsies.



Of course I did not put the photos because they are so disturbing


So now what will u tell me after that, all Israelies are being taught to kill every muslim every arab in palestine, they are fed with it in thier milk bottles, and after that u tell me that it is haram, it is only left to Allah to judge what is haram and what is halal. OR then let any fungus from nowhere grow in your beautiful garden while u r watching till it covers your house and then destroy it, then u will sit and say acting peacfully"no it is haram to remove those harmless fungus" until it covers u up and u r dead with it.


I am tired from repeating myself in this issue.


Salam