Does Every Muslim Follow This?

[Megadeth]

Never assume lifutushi.

i'm tired of this... the same thing over and over again....
1. killing children is not part of defending a land. by the way, palestinians is the right owner of the land occupied by Israel (read history book). the same goes to Iraqis, they fought on their land, unlike the invaders who killed civilian to fulfill their own greed( it's not their land, to begin with). materialistics? if life really should be preserved, is it worthy to let the whole nation suffer? sacrificing own's life is self optional. okay, you do not come from a country that only managed to get freedom from colonials several decades ago, so you might not understand. for a short note, for us, to love life so much (like you do) is the actual materialism.


I was against the invasion of Iraq. Read the history books long ago. Third, I agree with the people of Palestine and don't agree with a lot of what the Jews are doing.



2. a simple example, Ben Laden is among those who tried to go against Saddam. but unfortunately, US backed Saddam firmly (again, read history). you see, in Iraq's case, the civilian always the victims. the story goes like this: US supported and armed Saddam to invade Iran --> Iraqis suffer<-- Saddam turned his back to US by invading Kuwait --> US attacked Iraq --> Iraqis suffer <-- Saddam lost the war-->US pressed Iraq's economy very hard (oil for food exchange) --> Iraqis suffer <-- US invaded Iraq -->Iraqis suffer<-- US got Saddam, but they refused to depart from Iraq, killing more civilians day to day -->Iraqis suffer<--


now, who should be blamed? you blame Muslim world for not cleaning the poison that you created?


I know my history and like you can select a few pieces of history for you. You'll just ignore them, but hey, there's 3 sides to every story right? Yours, mine, and the truth.



I am impressed though at how you leave out the reason Iraq was supported by the US to invade Iran. I also like how you fail to mention that since Iran was such a moral country and Iraq led by a "bad Muslim" none of your "brother" nations of Islam joined in with Iran to help beat the bad Muslim and his US supporter.


3. are we talking about Islam or Taliban here? i don't recall anybody in this forum ever said that Taliban represents Islam. okay, another story:


US support and armed Taliban to fight the soviet --> Afghans suffer <-- Taliban turned their back towards US --> US use political opression against Afghanistan --> Afghans suffer <-- US attacked Afghanistan -->Afghans suffer<--


again, innocent civilians were killed by the product of US.


Always the US's fault for your Muslim suffering. It's never the Taliban's fault, Saddams fault, or any other Muslims fault and that is just my point. I'm not saying the US is without fault in policy or actions, but they're not always wrong and its not always completely their fault!!!! Your more holy than thou attitude is to be admired. Its never the fault of the people who fly planes into buildings, take school children hostage, or blow up a bus. Sure you say it's not right that these things happen becasue they are a reaction to what the US is doing. Well  maybe the US is reacting to what is happening to them!!!



4. then what's your problem?


Actually I didn't write that and I didn't respond to it so you'd have to ask the person who wrote it.



5. then they will face their destiny in hereafter.


6. yeah, have a pity on those zionists. poor them... (not funny!!!) they killed our brothers!! they raped our sisters!! then we should have pity on them? that's the most ridiculous and stupid suggestion i've ever heard.


Do you have any idea of what mocking someone means? I agree with you on this. I was disagreeing with your fellow Muslim brother it just went over your head that I was disagreeing with him by mocking him. I'll try to keep it more simplistic.



7. yeah, so much freedom.... now, about about a better freedom? since you hate Islam that much, why don't we give you some chances to refute Al-Qur'an, the main sources of Islam (which your fellow Islam haters here had failed to do) IF YOU ARE TRUE?


remember, we're talking about Islam, not Saddam and not Taliban.

If you want to force your beliefs on others by killing them then don't complain when others force their views on you. Its a two way street and you're going to have to accept it.

[Muslimah]

Peace to all.....
I just have to say, I'm very suprised at how calm everyone is here at some very offensive posts. I don't think I would be able to handle these things so well.


God Bless.

as salam alykom


of course u can handle it sister u r sister arent u??


Just think that they are so threatened and insecure just in case they realize that we are right and they are not. Just ponder on Allah's blessing that we are Muslims and they are not, and u will feel pity for them and know why they attack in an illogical manner. Usually one who feels he is wrong attacks the one who is doing the right thing....welcome to the board

[Megadeth]

WWW.ORGISH.COM


Video of beheading.


I wouldn't be feeling to proud to be a Muslim right now. If this is what makes a Muslim a Muslim, if this is what you consider justice, if you this is what your beliefs tell you is right then you're nothing but a sick individual with a lot of sick friends.


George W. Bush will get re-elected. He can't serve another term after that. He invaded Iraq in his first term. He's probably only just begun. The funny think is that you and George W. Bush have more in common than a lot of Americans! It's almost funny. I can't laugh though. I just watched Allah (its his work I've been told) behead a man.

[radiyah]

If you want to force your beliefs on others by killing them then don't complain when others force their views on you. Its a two way street and you're going to have to accept it.

Where are your proofs for that, we are talking here about true Islam, we are not talking about Taliban or any others who are wearing the cloack of Islam then they are beheading people to show how savage Islam is , that does not represent Islam. Here in Kuwait many youngesters came back from Iraq, they were brainwashed by some extremists group to go and fight in Iraq, they did go they were craving for Jihad, when they went there, they saw that these groups that are leading whatever is going on in Iraq now from the beheading or killing or car blowings, are not true muslims, they said first they do not have beards, they do not pray, and they do not preach true Islam, and they asked them to blow themselves up, so in return the youngesters refused because they were truly relegiuos and said " I will not commit suicide to kill myself and innocent people along with me, this is not Islam, and this is not what Allah ordered us to do, why don't u go blow yourself up". Then they left and on their way back they were caught at the Iraqi Syrian borders then handled to the Kuwaiti authorities. They are set free now after knowing their intentions, and since they did not join the terrorists in iraq who are not muslims, but there are a few that are still held, and some they are still searching for. So before u attack Islam, which we keep on repeating here and every other place in the world, diffrenciate between true Islam and between terrorists that are wearing the cloack of Islam, theifs are kidnapping children in Iraq to ask for ransomes from their parents in the name of Islam.


Now let us turn to your country US, since it was founded how many masacres were comitted so it would build itself upon others ruins.


1- Red Indians, a whole nation was annihilated. ( was that in the name of democracy also )


2- Japan, atomic bomb, who was destroyed the governement or the population ?


3- Vietnam, what did US really gain ?


4- Iran, Iraq, Kuwait conflict - I am speechless -


5- Israel who is trying to annihilate the palestinian population with the blessings of the USA wonderful democracy.

About 50 million people lost their lives in WW2! The Soviet Union alone lost 20 million in what they call "The Great Patriotic War". The Nazis executed about 12 million civilians, including 6 million Jews. Poland suffered more than any other country, losing an unbelievable 18% of its pre-war population, almost 7 million. Chinese dead totalled over 11 million, Japanese 2 million, and German 5 million. About 300,000 Americans died in the war.

http://www.acepilots.com/misc_ww2.html


http://www.va.gov/pressrel/amwars01.htm


http://www.cwc.lsu.edu/cwc/other/stats/warcost.htm


http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/...ties%20of%20war


http://www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&d=55463444


http://soundvision.com/info/peace/911casualties.asp


Now if we take a look at how Islam was spread and if u bother yourself and read the true history if Islam, u will c the difference between both. So now who is the true killer? Enough and be fair and instead of attacking search and learn the truth. We do not blame only US of 20th century wars and masacres, adolf hitler was another killer along with stalen and others saddam was not better. But do not blame Islam if some figures who claim to be muslims kill in the name of Islam.


http://www.barkati.net/english/#01


http://www.islamicity.com/education/ihame/...ion/ihame/1.asp


If u will compare between the casualities between American wars, and the early muslim wars, well should we put a tiny point by muslims, in front of masses of deliberat killing in cold blood by US army, and all in the name of democracy. And now Islam is spreading, in europe, in australia in america both north and south, in canada, in australia, everywhere, will u tell me how? are terrorists are following people and telling them be a muslim or i will kill u ?


http://www.alinaam.org.za/library/mfatimadavidson.htm


http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/20...article05.shtml


http://www.allaboutturkey.com/islam.htm


http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Par...ts/germans.html


http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Par...erica/cuba.html


http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/japan.htm


http://www.islamicpopulation.com/angola_muslim.html


Kuwait City, Shawwal 24//Jan 8 (IINA) – The military rulers of Burma (Myanmar) continues its repressive actions against the Muslims of Arakan Province, which is situated in the southwest of the country, and the repressive measures include the assassination of some individuals and the destruction of mosques.



Many have been displaced, and many have been forced to work in the construction of homes for the Burmese soldiers and their families, apart from using them in buildings roads and other facilities for the government.


After expelling the Muslims from their homes, the houses are allocated to Buddhists. Even Wakf (endowed) Muslim lands are confiscated, and the Muslims are denied freedom of movement within the country, and even travel outside the country. According to the amendment to the citizenship law that was effected in 1982, the Rohingya Muslims of Burma have been deprived of their Burmese citizenship, and therefore they could not involve themselves in business.


http://www.islamicpopulation.com/Burma_muslim.html


I guess this is enough.


Peace

Peace to all.....
I just have to say, I'm very suprised at how calm everyone is here at some very offensive posts. I don't think I would be able to handle these things so well. sad.gif


God Bless. rolleyes.gif

God bless u too and welcome to the board and never mind what they say or do,


we must accept and answer back, this is another way of Jihad, come and join us

[radiyah]

WWW.ORGISH.COM
Video of beheading.


I wouldn't be feeling to proud to be a Muslim right now. If this is what makes a Muslim a Muslim, if this is what you consider justice, if you this is what your beliefs tell you is right then you're nothing but a sick individual with a lot of sick friends.


George W. Bush will get re-elected. He can't serve another term after that. He invaded Iraq in his first term. He's probably only just begun. The funny think is that you and George W. Bush have more in common than a lot of Americans! It's almost funny. I can't laugh though. I just watched Allah (its his work I've been told) behead a man.

I really feel sorry for u, for being so blind and ignorant

[Megadeth]

Where are your proofs for that, we are talking here about true Islam, we are not talking about Taliban or any others who are wearing the cloack of Islam then they are beheading people to show how savage Islam is , that does not represent Islam. Here in Kuwait many youngesters came back from Iraq, they were brainwashed by some extremists group to go and fight in Iraq, they did go they were craving for Jihad, when they went there, they saw that these groups that are leading whatever is going on in Iraq now from the beheading or killing or car blowings, are not true muslims, they said first they do not have beards, they do not pray, and they do not preach true Islam, and they asked them to blow themselves up, so in return the youngesters refused because they were truly relegiuos and said " I will not commit suicide to kill myself and innocent people along with me, this is not Islam, and this is not what Allah ordered us to do, why don't u go blow yourself up". Then they left and on their way back they were caught at the Iraqi Syrian borders then handled to the Kuwaiti authorities. They are set free now after knowing their intentions, and since they did not join the terrorists in iraq who are not muslims, but there are a few that are still held, and some they are still searching for. So before u attack Islam, which we keep on repeating here and every other place in the world, diffrenciate between true Islam and between terrorists that are wearing the cloack of Islam, theifs are kidnapping children in Iraq to ask for ransomes from their parents in the name of Islam.
Now let us turn to your country US, since it was founded how many masacres were comitted so it would build itself upon others ruins.


1- Red Indians, a whole nation was annihilated. ( was that in the name of democracy also  )


2- Japan, atomic bomb, who was destroyed the governement or the population ?


3- Vietnam, what did US really gain ?


4- Iran, Iraq, Kuwait conflict - I am speechless -


5- Israel who is trying to annihilate the palestinian population with the blessings of the USA  wonderful democracy.

Now this is a quality posting. Good feedback with information to validate something. Thanks for the info about the Kuwaiti youngsters. I've often wondered where Kuwait would be today if the US hadn't taken action. We shouldn't have gotten involved with Kuwait a lot of people say. We should have left Saddam alone and let those people fight their fight. I often wonder if that would have been a better course of action.


With that said, let me state that when I ask that question "if this is being a Muslim" in regards to the beheading. I"m directing that question to someone who was defending the beheadings and terrorism not all Muslims. You and a lot of your friends here seem unwilling to accept that. I'm not attacking all of Islam. I'm attacking those who try to say these beheadings ARE part of Islam.


1- Red Indians, a whole nation was annihilated. ( was that in the name of democracy also ) Very true. I can't defend what was done to the Indians. We had slavery at one time to. Americans recognize this. We also know we can't change it. We weren't alive when it happened and we can't bring them back. We had a civil war over slavery with brother killing brother. Americans were willing to die to keep the Union together and abolish slavery. We don't have slavery any longer.



2- Japan, atomic bomb, who was destroyed the governement or the population ?


Do you have any idea what you're saying on this topic? Everytime the US is attacked by another country all some of you Muslims can do is act like the US isn't supposed to react! Japan, without warning, on the morning of December 7th 1941 attacked the United States. They declared war on us. We beat them all the way back to Japan and they would not surrender. We said if you don't surrender we will drop this bomb. They wouldn't surrender. So instead of getting thousands of Americans who didn't start the war killed by invading the island we dropped 2 atomic bombs.



3- Vietnam, what did US really gain ?


Wow. You're really picking at topics you don't even have any idea about aren't you? Do you know why the Vietnam war ended? Do you know who John Kennedy was? What is your point about Vietnam? You probably think we invaded Vietnam originally don't you"?



4- Iran, Iraq, Kuwait conflict - I am speechless -


Kuwait conflict...tell me what should have happend. Iraq. We never should have invaded. Iran...we haven't invaded. You've made no point so I guess you don't have one on these topics.



5- Israel who is trying to annihilate the palestinian population with the blessings of the USA wonderful democracy.


The US and Israel are to close. I agree with that. A lot of Americans agree with that. You don't even have any idea how many Americans feel that way. If America didn't help Israel I'm sure the Muslim countries would get together again like they tried in 1967 and try to wipe the Jews out. Kind of the way those Americans did to the Indians.


Israel is wrong with some of their policies that I see. The only argument I ever get on here though is "that was our land. We want it back." Guess what. You ain't getting all back with out a war. I don't want one, but I'm smart enough to know those Jews ain't just gonna get up and go.

[radiyah]

Very true. I can't defend what was done to the Indians. We had slavery at one time to. Americans recognize this. We also know we can't change it. We weren't alive when it happened and we can't bring them back. We had a civil war over slavery with brother killing brother. Americans were willing to die to keep the Union together and abolish slavery. We don't have slavery any longer.

Well good that we agree to that, and we are not blaming u or any american civilian, the blame is on the governements. We have thousands of american brothers and sisters in Islam, u c we do not condemn a whole nation for the act of a few of its politicians, while most of u attack Islam and describe it as barbaric for the acts of who are a minority. so now i think we are at least understanding each other.

Do you have any idea what you're saying on this topic? Everytime the US is attacked by another country all some of you Muslims can do is act like the US isn't supposed to react! Japan, without warning, on the morning of December 7th 1941 attacked the United States. They declared war on us. We beat them all the way back to Japan and they would not surrender. We said if you don't surrender we will drop this bomb. They wouldn't surrender. So instead of getting thousands of Americans who didn't start the war killed by invading the island we dropped 2 atomic bombs.

I know what happened, but did it have to be the atomic bomb, other weapons could have been used, don't u agree or what?

Wow. You're really picking at topics you don't even have any idea about aren't you? Do you know why the Vietnam war ended? Do you know who John Kennedy was? What is your point about Vietnam? You probably think we invaded Vietnam originally don't you"?

I will not answer below is enough I guess:


http://www.jbs.org/visitor/focus/vietnam/n...oes_vietnam.htm


Agreed, there is plenty of blame to be spread around —but it does not cover 210 million Americans, and certainly not the fifty-six thousand killed, the hundreds of thousands who were wounded, the thousands who endured senseless, endless years of the misery Communists specialize in inflicting, and those Americans who may still be there. They were sacrificed by our leaders just as indifferently as Ho chi Minh condemned millions of his people to a generation of terror and death.



It was a no-win war. Planned that way. And recriminations are in order because they are the only means of helping the victimized American people to realize that our own policy-makers created the monster and then made certain that we fell before it.


More below on the above:


http://www.jbs.org/visitor/focus/vietnam/n...etnam_falls.htm


http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/kimvie.html


http://www.orwelltoday.com/vietnam.shtml


http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timelin...imeline=vietnam


http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/Ref...=761552642&pn=2


http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat2.htm#Vietnam


Is that enough Mega ?


Till when your nation is going to fight in the name of democracy, u have thousands of casualities and pow's everywhere in each war, and for what for that man to win an election or the other. Your leaders are liars, and our leaders are their puppets. And Israel is truly ruling behind the scene.


Wake up and c the truth behind everything.

Kuwait conflict...tell me what should have happend. Iraq. We never should have invaded. Iran...we haven't invaded. You've made no point so I guess you don't have one on these topics.

Kuwiat is the duck that lays oil as well as Iraq and afghanistan, it was invaded when the US gave saddam the green light to invade kuwait. Before the invasion the americans asked the kuwaiti governement for a basis for them in bobyan island, the Kuwaiti goverement refused. so how will they get it just send saddam there, and who evoked the raqi Iran war, who aided sadam with weapons against Iran, hmmmmm I wonder:


http://www.moderateindependent.com/v2i4911reality.htm


http://www.iraqbodycount.net/


http://prisonplanet.tv/articles/may2004/05...lwatermarks.htm


http://www.rense.com/Datapages/bergdat.htm


http://letsroll911.org/


ooh I am tired and sleepy it is really late, so enjoy and if u r still not convinced, well we will meet again


peace

[Muslimah]

Mash a Allah Radiyah for taking the time and effort to repeat what u already said several times on the board, I already posted for him/her a link to the thread on Jihad. But really Jazaki Allah khairan

[Megadeth]

I know what happened, but did it have to be the atomic bomb, other weapons could have been used, don't u agree or what? No. They could have gotten thousands of Americans killed, but since Japan started the war the thinking was fair. I'm not saying I like what happend. I don't ever like war, but I can understand why they chose the course of action they did.



I will not answer below is enough I guess:


http://www.jbs.org/visitor/focus/vietnam...ietnam.htm


Agreed, there is plenty of blame to be spread around —but it does not cover 210 million Americans, and certainly not the fifty-six thousand killed, the hundreds of thousands who were wounded, the thousands who endured senseless, endless years of the misery Communists specialize in inflicting, and those Americans who may still be there. They were sacrificed by our leaders just as indifferently as Ho chi Minh condemned millions of his people to a generation of terror and death.


It was a no-win war. Planned that way. And recriminations are in order because they are the only means of helping the victimized American people to realize that our own policy-makers created the monster and then made certain that we fell before it.


More below on the above:


http://www.jbs.org/visitor/focus/vietnam..._falls.htm


http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/kimvie.html


http://www.orwelltoday.com/vietnam.shtml


http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timel...ne=vietnam


http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/R...52642&pn=2


http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat2.htm#Vietnam


I don't get your point? Everyone knows what your saying. Should I bomb an Itailian bus today because of what the Romans did in 69 AD? Your telling me things I learned in high school and already know.



Till when your nation is going to fight in the name of democracy, u have thousands of casualities and pow's everywhere in each war, and for what for that man to win an election or the other. Your leaders are liars, and our leaders are their puppets. And Israel is truly ruling behind the scene.


Wake up and c the truth behind everything.


Sure...your leaders never lie. They're just puppets so, like Saddam, they do no wrong. Its someone elses fault.



The difference in places like Iran, Iraq, Saudi Araba, Jordan, Kuwait, etc is that if you don't like you can either live with it or kill someone. Here we have the right to vote or kill someone. Israel behind everything? To many issues are over Israel, but since Muslims are trying to kill my family I'm not as concerned about what Jews are doing to Muslims I'm concerned about what Muslims are doing to me.


I'll end this like this you're never going to believe you're leaders do anything wrong. It's always the Americans fault.


We should have let Kuwait fall into Saddams hands. A little negotiating with the nut and everything's ok. It would have prevented the Iraq wars and we don't have any of this mess.

[radiyah]

Sure...your leaders never lie. They're just puppets so, like Saddam, they do no wrong. Its someone elses fault.

look I am not defending any1, and Saddam is no good guy, with good ridence. And whatever I wrote, and the facts i showed u were all prepared by americans your fellow citizens, they are saying that your leaders are liars and they are giving solid proof. If u can falsify that fine I am willing to beleive give me the contrary with proof.

I'll end this like this you're never going to believe you're leaders do anything wrong. It's always the Americans fault.
We should have let Kuwait fall into Saddams hands. A little negotiating with the nut and everything's ok. It would have prevented the Iraq wars and we don't have any of this mess.

well, again i did not say that they do not do anything wrong, and as i said before i am not blaming Americans mega, I am blaming governemnets. U know what off with politics, we do not need that headache, why don't u try learning about true Islam, and not what those terrorists who are wearing the cloack of Islam are doing to terrorize people, and I think I made that clear to u in a previous post, so what do u say


Peace