Not Jews, But Christians

[Peace in Ireland]

I always hear a lot of talk about how the Qu'ran dictates that Jews and Muslims will be engaged in a holy war and the Jews will perish da da da da. However, what about the fact that it is mostly Christians who are wreaking havoc on the Muslims lands right now? The U.S., possibly the biggest terrorizer of the middle-east, has never had a Jewish president, not even a non-christian president!


So what is everyone's take on this?

[Shereen]

i have read it in Quran too, and believe it too, because it's the word of Allah

[Peace in Ireland]

Great. Anyone care to actually answer the question?

[Anyabwile]

Great. Anyone care to actually answer the question?

Hmm why not try being polite about it.


"Qu'ran dictates that Jews and Muslims will be engaged in a holy war and the Jews will perish <b>da da da da."</b>


Very respectful.


What is it about being polite and respectful that you guys aint getting? Then you wonder why your post is ignored.

[Hazams]

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So what is everyone's take on this?

With all due respect peace, you are talking complete and utter Tom Kyte. I think that is why nobody has answered the "question".

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Haha, John with a great Tom Kyte reference. Nice

[radiyah]

In The Name of Allah Most Gracious Most Merciful


In The Name of Allah Al-Muntaqem(The Vinidictive) Al-Jabbar(The Mighty) May he take away the health of those who keep mocking his word and relegion.


Peace In Ireland, I guess u read the rules very well, I hope u abide by them, I myself have tolerated alot from 3 of u, and i have been quiet for your mocking and ordering around, I kept quiet for the sake of Allah, I will not revenge for myself, but when it comes to Allah The Great and our beloved Prophet or The Holy Quran, non of us will tolerate , wev'e had it with all this laguage, and hazam here I edit your post again, and I remind u that u will be banned next time u use any bad language against any muslim brother or sister . u must all know one thing that not all muslims know the answers to your questions, some are new muslims some are ignorant ones and we are all ignorant till the day we die and it is only by Allah's blessings that we learn


and help others learn, u wish to learn u r welcome if not then u are asked to leave or any more bad behaviour will not be acceptable.


Now to answer your question:


Bismillah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem


82. Verily, you will find the strongest among men in enmity to the believers (Muslims) the Jews and those who are Al-Mushrikûn (see V.2:105), and you will find the nearest in love to the believers (Muslims) those who say: "We are Christians." That is because amongst them are priests and monks, and they are not proud.



83. And when they (who call themselves Christians) listen to what has been sent down to the Messenger (Muhammad ), you see their eyes overflowing with tears because of the truth they have recognised. They say: "Our Lord! We believe; so write us down among the witnesses.


84. "And why should we not believe in Allâh and in that which has come to us of the truth (Islâmic Monotheism)? And we wish that our Lord will admit us (in Paradise on the Day of Resurrection) along with the righteous people (Prophet Muhammad and his Companions)."


85. So because of what they said, Allâh rewarded them Gardens under which rivers flow (in Paradise), they will abide therein forever. Such is the reward of good­doers.


86. But those who disbelieved and belied Our Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), they shall be the dwellers of the (Hell) Fire.


Now as u c these verses <b>THE TRUE WORD OF ALLAH</b> what does it say about christians and jews, it says that those who are strong in enmity agianst u are jews and Kuffar, he joined them together, but those who are christians are those who are near to u from them monks and priests who will beleive and witness that what is in the Quran is true. If u c these days that highest percentage of christians in europe and America or any where in the world who embrace Islam are christians, and jews and not many jews enter in Islam, and if u noticed that many christian priests and monks embraced islam, but till now I did not hear of jew kahanas entering in Islam, maybe there are a few whom I did not hear of only Allah knows of them, so it means by the time that war comes that Allah Subhanahu Wa T'ala said about there will be only Muslim against Jews, a day will come that Islam will be spread all over the globe by Allah's will and I repeat myself it will be muslim against jew.


Now if u will tell me about America, and that the christians are the ones who are beating us, well u must know better than that, come on, u know that the US is just ruling in the surface, and the true rulers of the world are jews, just tell me can Bush say no to sharon, can the usa ever condemn the jews, look what happened to john kennedy, look what happened to bill clinton, just because he said that Prophet Muhammad is a great man, what did Abraham Lincoln say about the Jews, I do not remember his exact words and i couldnt find any link to that but he did say something about the jews being a threat for this nation(us). Look at the US policy anything in favour of Israel okay go ahead even if nucllear weapons, but if muslims want to have it then go ahead invade them in the name of democracy , I asked before on another thread to megadeath, instead of u keep on asking us and u become rude and start being bossy if we do not answer why don't u start answering our questions, who assasinated the US presidents, who assasinated Prophet Yahya in his fathers lap, then ran after prophet Zakhariya and killed him as well, who killed many prophets that Allah sent to them, they wanted to kill Prophet Jesus as well, they could not, who are the actual rulers of the world. why double standards in the middle east, palestinians are being killed by mass and megadeath on another thread says why are we making a big deal about it, well turn it the other way and imagine jews killing americans and europeans in mass, u will let them do it and then we will tell u why are u mad? make sense guys and stop being blinded by the false media and start searching for truths.


Below is a quote from the link below(freemasonrywatch)


Today a pro-British paramilatary group derivative of the freemasonic Black Hand, the Red Hand, was recently founded by Orangemen freemasons in Northern Ireland. The Red Hand has an objective that remains one and the same with the previous masonic order, the Black Hand-- it is to divide Christianity by asserting Protestantism, and by extention Martin Luther himself, advocated and practiced the same freemasonry he detested. But is this really a battle between Catholicism and Protestantism? No one but the freemason appeals to this argument, no one does more to pit these two forces against one another to weaken the Body of Christ. This is in keeping with those who had crucified Christ, and would do it again....
Christ was not killed for sure.


http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/lincoln.html


Now if u will be patient enough, soon enough I will write a whole post all about jews and their history and u will know what they have done threw history. It will take time but why dont u enjoy yourself now and read the one above and the ones below:


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jewsnomore/


http://www.jews-for-allah.org/


http://www.islamworld.net/torah.html


This is some to keep u busy, and again no bad language and no bossing around, u want to learn u r welcome, u dont then leave peacfully and no need to be aggresive.


Peace

[Peace in Ireland]

I'll give you a thousand pounds of Twizzlers if you can find a swear in my original post. As for bossing people around, I don't believe I threatened to punch anyone in the head if they didn't answer my question, I simply asked if anyone would like to actually answer it. I'm sorry if my quest for knowledge is offensive to some.


The links you provided were helpful for me to understand the Muslim position in all of this.


I tried to answer some of your questions Radiyah, but they were kind of all over the place and NPR kept distracting me. If you'd like the slice and dice them up into seperate, distinct questions (perhaps with the use of numeric labeling or the bullet system) I'd be happy to answer any that I could. Pip pip and have a merry day!

[Dan]

Bismillah


PII- she did not say that you sweared but rather it was hazam.


(Should I have gotten involved in this...? )


Later y'all...

[Anyabwile]

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Hmm why not try being polite about it.


"Qu'ran dictates that Jews and Muslims will be engaged in a holy war and the Jews will perish <b>da da da da."</b>


Very respectful.


What is it about being polite and respectful that you guys aint getting? Then you wonder why your post is ignored.

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The only thing that I find rude is your moaning and groaning to why people don't show you respect.

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Show me one post...<b>ONE </b>post where i said people should show <b>me</b> respect. Errr, oops...you can't. Everything i read from you gets weaker and weaker, now you're actually making stuff up to try and have some support for your weak arguments...that says defeat to me. Bye.

[lifutushi]

Assalamu'alaykum...


actually, i found that Peace's question is rather interesting. that's a great question, and of course a great answer from Radiyah. congratulations both of you...


i'll try to come back later... i've been very busy nowadays, many assignments, reasearches, projects approaching due dates. and final exams too. but i'll come back to this post later...


but let me give some pointers first:


1) Geoge W. Bush is not a comitted christian, and was backed zionist lobbyist.


2) Saddam is not a good muslim.


3) Even the churches in US condemned the attack on Iraq except very few, (i'll provide some sources later)


4) Muslims all over the world condemned the acts of Saddam (sources..Insha Allah)


5) Question : Is it "Islam vs Christian" or "Bush vs Saddam" + "Bush vs Taliban" ?


c ya