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<b>***And THE_ICONOCLAST it seems that u like this example of tenessee. Do u receive training somewhere, or u have a standarad replies for certain arguments.</b>
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Muslimah, your above comment is not helpful as it did not address what I queried you about nor is it a refutation of LUL and my position. Locking threads, likewise, is not helpful.
Answer my questions and I certainly answer yours, insha-Allah.
Anyway...
Some Muslims go backpacking in the remote Ozark mountains of Tenneesee and upon leaving one of them discovers that he left his Qur'an [in english] at the camp site. Well, one of the residents of the area who lives there happens upon the Qur'an and begins to read it.
Based on the above scenario, please answer the following questions, but before you do, think about what Allah is saying in the following ayats:
18.54 And<i><b> certainly We have explained in this Quran every kind of example</b></i>, and man is most of all given to contention.
29.51 Is it <i><b>not sufficient/enough </b></i>for them that We have revealed to you the Book which is recited to them? Most surely there is mercy in this and a reminder for a people who believe.
Do you believe and accept the above two ayats, yes or no?
Please answer the following with a simple yes or no, thanks.
a. will that person know who Allah is and what He has commanded him/her and mankind to do?
b. Will that person know how to take shahada?
c. will that person know how to practice righteousness/justice?
d. will that person know how to call upon/pray to Allah?
e. will that person, upon reading Al-Qur'an and following its contents, be admitted to Paradise?
Looking forward to your reply. And, please, no conjectures, just facts.
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08-06-2004, 01:15 AM
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really it's not decent from you THE_ICONOCLAST to ignore appending the url of your articles source.....c'mon, we need to know your source. (same for lightuponlight)
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What do you mean by "source"?
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Icon my comment was not meant to escape your questions, it was just a comment that I observed, which is very true, u r using the same example again. and answers to your questions, matter of fact, Insh a Allah we are deciding to address this issue of Qura nyeen in a more organized matter. Insh aAllah we started a thread for that. Locking threads is one of our duties when we feel so.
Most important is that none of us is here to argue about our religion, we are here to learn. If u feel that u r here to debate or argue, then u might re consider your motive, give yourself a chance to learn, may be u will benefit.
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Quote: What do you mean by "source"?
the web page you copied the article from?
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O and Icon, I suggest also that u and lul lower the tone of challenge, it is not helpful. We have no problem. We are Muslims Alhamdulelah and we proudly say:
<b>Ash hadu ana la ilaha ila Allah wa ana Mohamdan rasulu Allah
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, both u and her are the ones having problems. I seriously doubt that u r even Quraneen but rather non Muslims. I figure out this is a new method for non Muslims to attack Islam on web sites.
we will treat u as such. If u need to learn about Islam, most welcome, other wise u r wasting your time.
Insh aAllah we are going to steer the forum as we see best not as u want. So let us agree on this, no need to use a challenging or sarcastic tone Alhamdulelah we know we are correct.
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08-06-2004, 04:11 PM
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Muslimah
Why do you insist on commenting on everything but what I queried you on? All I'm asking you to do is respond to following few questions of which most only require a yes or no reponse, what is the problem? You say we are here to learn, right? well learning, at least how I was raised anyway, is based on Q and A.
Please, answer the following questions and no more asides, tangents, and evasions, thanks.
<b>***Ash hadu ana la ilaha ila Allah wa ana Mohamdan rasulu Allah***</b>
Please go to Al-Qur'an and show us the ayat where Allah tells us to say the above formuala in order to become one of the submitting ones [Muslim].
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Quote:Insh aAllah we are going to steer the forum as we see best not as u want. So let us agree on this, no need to use a challenging or sarcastic tone Alhamdulelah <i><b>we know we are correct. </b></i>
The BRING YOUR PROOF (2-111, 21-25) for what you ascribe to The God, HIS way, HIS messenger, HIS book, why don't you?
It shouldn't be hard to prove us wrong, for we advocate nothing but falsehood, right? And The God has said:
Nay! We hurl the Truth against falsehood and it does smash it’s brains and thus it perishes....21-18
So please, bring your proof 2-111/21-24.
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08-06-2004, 08:08 PM
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Quote:<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="1833" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Insh aAllah we are going to steer the forum as we see best not as u want. So let us agree on this, no need to use a challenging or sarcastic tone Alhamdulelah <i><b>we know we are correct. </b></i>
The BRING YOUR PROOF (2-111, 21-25) for what you ascribe to The God, HIS way, HIS messenger, HIS book, why don't you?
It shouldn't be hard to prove us wrong, for we advocate nothing but falsehood, right? And The God has said:
Nay! We hurl the Truth against falsehood and it does smash it’s brains and thus it perishes....21-18
So please, bring your proof 2-111/21-24.
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The proof will come be patient, and yes u advocate nothing but falsehood, u are
manipulating Allah's word either out of iggnorance, or to serve your evil whims. If u r willing to learn, then stop being offensive and sarcastic in your answers, and by will of Allah we will answer everything.
Quote:Please go to Al-Qur'an and show us the ayat where Allah tells us to say the above formuala in order to become one of the submitting ones [Muslim].
well i c u r using the word subbmiting here, where did I hear this word before.
Rashad khaleefa whom u deny being from his sect.
Bismillah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem ;
79. Whatever of good reaches you, is from Allâh, but whatever of evil befalls you, is from yourself. And We have sent you (O Muhammad ) as a Messenger to mankind, and Allâh is Sufficient as a Witness.
This aya is a proof that we must say Ashadu An Muhammadan Rasul Allah.
When Allah explains that He sent him as a messenger and He, Allah is the Wittness.
Witness= Shaheed
Bismillah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem
1. When the hypocrites come to you (O Muhammad ), they say: "We bear witness that you are indeed the Messenger of Allâh." Allâh knows that you are indeed His Messenger and Allâh bears witness that the hypocrites are liars indeed.
And this is enough proof as well. When hyppocrites claim that they wittness that the prophet is a messenger of Allah, then Allah Almighty confirms that . So again what other proof u need.
The problem is that u seem to be defying and u r not talking out of knowledge, we do not claim also to be scholars, but we know our relegion and we know what is right and wrong.
May Allah be our Aid to all those who are deviating the truth and fighting Islam Ameeen
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08-06-2004, 08:12 PM
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Peace be upon you,
Whenever zakaa and its derivatives appear, it is pertinent to purification, but when it APPEARS WITH SOLAA, they twist their tongues and say it means a religious tithe.
Ya-aiyuhal-lazi na-amanu, la-tat-tabi’u hu-dhu-wati syai-thon-ni waman yat-tabi’ khu-dhu-watil syai-thon-ni. Fa-in-nahu ya’muru bil-fah-sha-ie wal-munkari walau-la fadh-lul-lah alai-kum wa-rah-matu-hu ma-<i><b>Zakaa </b></i>min-kum min ahadin abadan. Wala-kin-nal-lah <i><b>Yu-zak-ki </b></i>man-yasha wal-lah-hu-sami’ul alim 24-21
O you who believe, do not follow the steps of the devil. If anyone follows the steps of the devil, he would advocate evil and vice. If it were not for the grace of God upon you and His mercy, nobody among you can ever be <i><b>Pure (Zakaa). </b></i>And it is but God who <i><b>Purifies (yu-Zak-ki) </b></i>whomever He wills, and God is Hearer, Knowledgeable.
Here is when Moses went to pharoah:
"Go to Pharaoh, for he has transgressed." 79-17
‘hal-laka-ilaa-<i><b>ta-zak-ka’. </b></i>79-18
Will you not <i><b>purify</b></i> yourself?
Moses did NOT go to him and say: will you not pay your religious tithe?
When the angels went to Mary, they said:
Khul-in-namaa rosulu rob-bika li-ahba laka ‘ghul-man <i><b>zaki-ya </b></i>
He said, ‘indeed I am a messenger of your Lord to grant you a son who is <i><b>pure.’ </b></i>
Jesus defended his mother when they accused her of a horrible thing
Wa-ja’alani mubarokan ai-nama kuntu wa-ausorni bis-solaa-ti wa-<i><b>zakaa-ti </b></i>ma-doomtu hai-ya 19-31
And He made me blessed wherever I go, and He enjoined me with my commitments and <i><b>purity </b></i>as long as I live.
But now since zakaa shows up with solaa, they twist it and say it means religious tithe.
They translate it as: ‘He enjoined upon me the ritual prayer and paying the religious alms as long as I live’.
What a faux pas.
Sometimes it means religious tithe, other times it means purify.
Typical sunni/shia double standard.
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