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one sin lead to another and a Bida`a lead to another.
Bida like, sunna of muhammad.
Quote:so Quran is the word of God....not the commands of prophet Mohammed...get your facts straight.
The messenger was God's spokesman, so MUHAMMAD UTTERED THE WORD OF GOD.
Quote:here is another verse for u
What God has bestowed on His Apostle (and taken away) from the people of the townships, belongs to God, to His Apostle and to kindred and orphans, the needy and the wayfarer; in order that it may not (merely) make a circuit between the wealthy among you. So take what the Apostle assigns to you, and deny yourselves that which he withholds from you. And fear God; for God is strict in Punishment. 59:7
Nice try. That verse is about war booty...NOT SUNNA.
Quote:another verse, another CLEAR order to obey the prophet commands which is
simply named Hadith.
Please point out where The God says obeying Muhammad = following extra hadith
On the contrary, He says:
Awalam yanthuroo fee malakooti alssamawati waal-ardi wama khalaqa Allahu min shay-in waan AAasa an yakoona qadi iqtaraba ajaluhum fabi-ayyi <i><b>HADEETHIN </b></i>baAAdahu yu/minoona.
Did they not look at the dominion of heavens and earth, and all that God has created? Perhaps their time is drawing near; so in which <i><b>HADITH AFTER THIS ONE </b></i>will they believe? 7-185
Tilka ayatu Allahi natlooha AAalayka bialhaqqi fabi-ayyi <i><b>HADEETHIN </b></i>baAAda Allahi waayatihi yu/minoona
These are God's revelations that We recite to you with truth. So, in which <i><b>HADEETH</b></i> after God and His revelations do they believe 45-6
Fabi-ayyi <i><b>HADEETHIN </b></i>baAAdahu yu/minoona
So in what <i><b>HADITH AFTER THIS </b></i>will they believe? 77-50
Quote:p.s: what is the complete name of Imam Al Bukhari which we dellusional Ahl Al Sunna wla Jamaa worship as you claim?
Abu Abdullah Muhammad ibn Ismail ibn Ebrahim ibn Mugira ibn Bardizba Al Ju’fi Al Bukhari ?
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08-05-2004, 01:24 AM
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Quote:Bida like, sunna of muhammad.
wow..u believe in the concept of bida~a then....based on Quran or what?
Quote:Nice try. That verse is about war booty...NOT SUNNA.
good you noticed.....and so the prophet rules regarding booty is holy..look at the next verse
(Some part is due) to the indigent Muhajirs, those who were expelled from their homes and their property, while seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure, and aiding Allah and His Messenger: such are indeed the sincere ones:-
some part!!....now who determine how much is this "some part"? doesn't the book include everything? then why doesn't it specify what is the "some part"....it was left to the prophet to decide....Quran put the guide lines for our life and then come Sunna and Ijtihad to add the detailes.
Quote:Abu Abdullah Muhammad ibn Ismail ibn <b>Ebrahim </b>ibn <b>Mugira </b>ibn Bardizba Al Ju’fi Al Bukhari ?
bravo...my 3 years old brother was able to find the exact name in http://www.alinaam.org.za/dhadith/bukhari.htm and http://www.jamiat.org.za/isinfo/bukhari.html but this places had mis spelled the name and you copied it as it is.
it's Abu Abdullah Muhammad ibn Ismail ibn <b>Ibrahim </b>ibn <b>Mughira </b>ibn Bardizba Al Ju’fi Al Bukhari"
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08-05-2004, 01:30 AM
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Quote:wow..u believe in the concept of bia~a then....based on Quran or what?
yes, innovation.
You must prove what you assert about The God (21-24)
Quote:good you noticed.....and so the prophet rules regarding booty is holy..look at the next verse
(Some part is due) to the indigent Muhajirs, those who were expelled from their homes and their property, while seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure, and aiding Allah and His Messenger: such are indeed the sincere ones:-
some part!!....now who determine how much is this "some part"? doesn't the book include everything? then why doesn't it specify what is the "some part"....it was left to the prophet.
That is your insertion. It never says 'some parts' in the primordial text.
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its Yusuf Ali translation btw.
anyway here is the Arabic text for all the booty verses...and you tell me if it needed further explanation by the prophet or not
مَّا أَفَاء اللَّهُ عَلَى رَسُولِهِ مِنْ أَهْلِ الْقُرَى فَلِلَّهِ وَلِلرَّسُولِ وَلِذِي الْقُرْبَى وَالْيَتَامَى وَالْمَسَاكِينِ وَابْنِ السَّبِيلِ كَيْ لَا يَكُونَ دُولَةً بَيْنَ الْأَغْنِيَاء مِنكُمْ وَمَا آتَاكُمُ الرَّسُولُ فَخُذُوهُ وَمَا نَهَاكُمْ عَنْهُ فَانتَهُوا وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ شَدِيدُ الْعِقَابِ لِلْفُقَرَاء الْمُهَاجِرِينَ الَّذِينَ أُخْرِجُوا مِن دِيارِهِمْ وَأَمْوَالِهِمْ يَبْتَغُونَ فَضْلًا مِّنَ اللَّهِ وَرِضْوَانًا وَيَنصُرُونَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ أُوْلَئِكَ هُمُ الصَّادِقُونَ
how much for who and how much for who?? answer...what is the share of orphans for example?
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our enemy (our common enemy sister lightuponlight) is not stupid to call us for kufr at once....step by step.....starting for example with less respect to our beloved prophet.....his sunnah is nothing...he was just a spokesman for God as u said...and so on....and then come the next step....
in a side note did anyone notice that our resident anti sunnah (light & the topic starter) don't use the word prophet?? just say "Mohammed".......i bet they call their manager at work "sir" or "mr" or even your Majesty.lol.....but its so much for <i>Mohammed</i> to be called a prophet.
حسبنا الله و نعم الوكيل
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Whatever God provided to His messenger from the people of the townships belongs to God and His messenger, and the relatives, and the orphans, and the poor, and the traveller. Thus, it will not remain monopolized by the rich among you. And you may take what the messenger gives you, but do not take what he withholds you from taking. And be aware of God, for God is mighty in retribution. 59-7
Quote:how much for who and how much for who?? answer...what is the share of orphans for example?
the share was whatever the messenger gave them.
Quote:our enemy (our common enemy sister lightuponlight) is not stupid to call us for kufr at once....step by step.....starting for example with less respect to our beloved prophet.....his sunnah is nothing...he was just a spokesman for God as u said...and so on....and then come the next step....
Huh, what, sunna of prophet? Where does it say that in the quran?
Quote:in a side note did anyone notice that our resident anti sunnah (light & the topic starter) don't use the word prophet?? just say "Mohammed".......i bet they call their manager at work "sir" or "mr" or even your Majesty.lol.....but its so much for Mohammed to be called a prophet.
حسبنا الله و نعم الوكيل
muhammad was the name of the messenger.
just in case you didn't notice.
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08-05-2004, 07:07 AM
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as salam alykom
we can simply tolerate both of u THE_ICONOCLAST and lightuponlight. But this is the last time I will allow expressions like Allah ... as lightuponlight repeated it several times.
And THE_ICONOCLAST it seems that u like this example of tenessee. Do u receive training somewhere, or u have a standarad replies for certain arguments.
Ok do u pray? I asked u this question before?? I mean do u believe that u have to pray, How do u pray? Do u believe u must go for Haj??? BTW the only reason I am replying is not to win an argument, but rather to shed light on a current movement called Quran-yeen to which u might belong for other members to benefit.
How did u learn to pray and rituals of Haj?
Indeed u twist the Ayahs?
Can u understand this one:
O Prophet! When believing women come <b>to you to give you the Bai'a (pledge), </b>that they will not associate anything in worship with Allah, that they will not steal, that they will not commit illegal sexual intercourse, that they will not kill their children, that they will not utter slander, intentionally forging falsehood (i.e. by making illegal children belonging to their husbands), and that they will not disobey you in any Ma'ruf (Islamic Monotheism and all that which Islam ordains) then accept their Bai'a (pledge), and ask Allah to forgive them, Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." (Quran 60:12)
"Indeed, <b>Allah was pleased with the believers when they gave their Bai'a (pledge</b>) to you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) under the tree, He knew what was in their hearts, and He sent down As-Sakinah (calmness and tranquillity) upon them, and He rewarded them with a near victory" (Quran 48:18)
Or u r waiting for your mentor to tell u how to reply?
Brother Qutuz, dont worry Allah SWT Shall certainly grant his Messenger's Sunnah victory.
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08-05-2004, 07:56 AM
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Quote: our enemy (our common enemy sister lightuponlight) is not stupid to call us for kufr at once....step by step.....starting for example with less respect to our beloved prophet.....his sunnah is nothing...he was just a spokesman for God as u said...and so on....and then come the next step....
in a side note did anyone notice that our resident anti sunnah (light & the topic starter) don't use the word prophet?? just say "Mohammed".......i bet they call their manager at work "sir" or "mr" or even your Majesty.lol.....but its so much for <i>Mohammed</i> to be called a prophet.
حسبنا الله و نعم الوكيل
Jazakum Allah khairan for this comment Qutuz, I already mentioned that they never say salla Allah a`alyhee wa sallam.
hasbuna Allah wa ne`amlwakeel
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as salam alykom to all my Muslim brothers and sisters on this thread
Just look at how Allah pointed back their cunning to their own neck. Imagine there <b>is a hadeeth narrated by our beloved, respected, teacher and role model the illetrate Messenger who was sent as a mercy to mankind may Allah Send the best prayer on him, his household and companions
</b>. In this hadeeth he foretold exactly what this group of people are saying.
"(Salla Allah a`alyhee wa sallam) "<b>He said the man from you (his Ummah) is about to sit on his couch before a gathering of people stating my hadeeth and saying between you and me is the book of Allah, what we find in it as lawful we make lawful and what we find in it as unlawful we make unlawful
</b>. What was the comment of the Messenge Salla Allah a`alyhee wa sallam? Just listen. [What was made unlawful by the Messenger Salla Allah a`alyhee wa sallam is just as what Allah made unlawful."
Insh a Allah we will start a new thread in order to shed light on this serious issue prevailing among our Ummah these days. it is a major threat and the source is known.........
I am closing this thread
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