Not Jews, But Christians

[Peace in Ireland]

Lifutushi, you had some good points that I mostly agree with. Except I think that Bush really is a born again Christian, it's scary sometimes. And you're right about the war not being "Christian v. Islam" but rather "Bush v. Iraq + Afghanistan."


Hey, I'm listening to Allid Alawi (sp?) the new interim president of Iraq. What does everybody think of this guy? Is he going to be a giant tool for the United States? Is he going to be America's buddy like Saddam and Bin Laden were, but later on turn against the U.S.? He seems like a pawn of Bush's to me. He's speaking to Congress right now saying how he's glad the U.S. invaded Iraq and stuff. Hmmm.....

[Megadeth]

If Saddam was a "bad Muslim" why wasn't a Jihad being raised against him? Wasn't he killing Muslims or was he just a really nice guy who got smeared by the press?

[Muslimah]

Well PII I will pop in to give u another reply from a different angel to cover everything Insh a Allah.


See look at the following hadeeth which we already posted on Answer the Call of the Prophet thread, quite informative.


http://www.islamsms.com/bb/index.php?showtopic=1842


The hadeeth goes as follows:


Narrated Abdullah Ibn Omar that the Messenger salla Allah a`alyhee wa sallam came to us saying O people of Muhajereen (immigrants) there are five issues if you will be inflicted with them and I seek refuge to Allah that you would not be available when they occur, never fornication would spread among people till they commit it publicly except that plague and other unprecedented diseases which was never experienced before among their predecessors would spread and prevail, [/u], food deficiency and unjust rulers
, never people refrain from paying Zakat for their money except that they would be denied rain from sky and if it was not for animals they would have never received rain, <b>never people violate the covenant of Allah and His Messenger except that Allah Sends on them an enemy from outside to take part of what is in their hands,</b> and when their rulers don’t rule with the book of Allah and start selecting from what Allah revealed except that Allah instills their torture among them.” (reported by Ibn Majeh)


Just look at the two underlined parts of hadeeth. what is happening now is the fruit of our shortcomings as Muslims peace, that is why I never curse US if u have noticed. Why would I? If this does not happen then our beloved Messenger would not be one and would not be saying the truth which is unlikely. All what he said is from Allah.


What is happening now is different from the prospect war which is included in the following Ayahs, not sure if I posted them to u before. Although I try not to taking in consideration u not believe Quran is from Allah, but just bear with me, u have no other choice


Here is the first stage which already took place:


"And We decreed for the Children of Israel in the Scripture, that indeed you would do mischief on the earth twice and you will become tyrants and extremely arrogant!* So, when the promise came for the first of the two, We sent against you slaves of Ours given to terrible warfare. They entered the very innermost parts of your homes. And it was a promise (completely) fulfilled* Then We gave you once again, a return of victory over them. And We helped you with wealth and children and made you more numerous in man power." (Quran 17: 3-5)


Then Allah Puts forth the second stage:


"And We said to the Children of Israel after him: "Dwell in the land, then, <b>when the final and the last promise comes near [i.e. the Day of Resurrection or the descent of Christ ['Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) on the earth]. We shall bring you altogether as mixed crowd (gathered out of various nations)</b>." (Quran 17:104)


If u recall PII, around 15 years ago the Jewish immigration movement was so active. Organized charters brought them into Israel from Ethiopia, Russia and other countries. See PII Quran is true. Sorry to tell u this, but it is true.


What is happening now in Israel must take place in prepration for the final stage which is drawing near Insh a Allah


Hope I was of help.

[Muslimah]

One more hadeeth that might even explain more PII


Take an insightful look here:


“Under the authority of Thawban, that the Messenger of Allah (PAPBUH) said It is coming very close when nations shall call each other to stand in unity against you in a way similar when a group of people strike on a food container to eat, so someone asked is it due to our small number at that time, he said no on the contrary you shall be many on that day yet similar to waste carried by flood (in reference to their cowardice status). At that time, Allah shall take off of your enemy’s heart the fear from you, while Allah shall throw into your hearts Wahan. They inquired Oh Messenger of Allah and what is Wahan. He answered the love of Dunia (this world) and hate of death” (reported by Abi Daoud). I don’t think I need to add on this last hadeeth in particular it explains the whole situation. However, the issue in not only explaining the current situation, but also proving that he is certainly the Messenger of Allah (prayer and peace be upon him).


r u getting the picture PII

[Peace in Ireland]

Thanks for all the info Muslimah. I have a hard time reading that biblical (or Qu'ranical?) style of English sometimes because it is so far removed from contemporary American-English. But I try.


I was more interested in how everyone felt about the new Iraqi PM, so I guess I'll start a new thread. Off I go! Woosh!

[Muslimah]

go ahead start a new thread, but I am using a translation that is not of classical style of english. Just give it a try Peace u will comprehend. Plus not all what I quoted is Quran. There is a number of hadeeth (narrations of the Messenger).


just take your time and I will be glad to help and further explain.

[radiyah]

Alhamdulilah that this thread ended in peace

If Saddam was a "bad Muslim" why wasn't a Jihad being raised against him? Wasn't he killing Muslims or was he just a really nice guy who got smeared by the press?

Well teeto was a bad leader and so was hitler, why didn't their people remove them ?

I tried to answer some of your questions Radiyah, but they were kind of all over the place and NPR kept distracting me. If you'd like the slice and dice them up into seperate, distinct questions (perhaps with the use of numeric labeling or the bullet system) I'd be happy to answer any that I could. Pip pip and have a merry day!

No pro we are willing to listen or even learn of facts we do not know about, so go ahead we are waiting for that new post . Are u kidding about Alawy or is it a joke


Peace

[Muslimah]

PII I will try to simplify this hadeeth so that u get the picture


The hadeeth goes as follows:


Narrated Abdullah Ibn Omar that the Messenger salla Allah a`alyhee wa sallam came to us saying O people of Muhajereen (immigrants) there are five issues if you will be inflicted with them and I seek refuge to Allah that you would not be available when they occur,


never fornication would spread among people till they commit it publicly except that plague and other unprecedented diseases which was never experienced before among their predecessors would spread and prevail, [/u], food deficiency and unjust rulers,


Cannt u see most of the Muslim leaders are unfair, we do suffer difficulty to get food for several reasons here in Egypt prices are hiking. So it is a result of our deeds PII unfortunately.


never people refrain from paying Zakat (alms) for their money except that they would be denied rain from sky and if it was not for animals they would have never received rain


, never people violate the covenant of Allah and His Messenger except that Allah Sends on them an enemy from outside to take part of what is in their hands,


This is the core of interest regarding your question. The US is an outsider enemy which is taking part of what belong to us, attacking Iraq ruling and dictating right. Just look at the cause of the problem it is that Muslims violated the covenant of Allah and His Messenger. So what is happening PII is the fruit of us being bad Muslims....


and when their rulers don’t rule with the book of Allah and start selecting from what Allah revealed except that Allah instills their torture among them.” (reported by Ibn Majeh)


Is it clear now


Insh a Allah i can do the same with the other hadeeth.

[Muslimah]

PII may be u just expressed some confusion on this thread, Insh a Allah I will try to make it simpler:


The hadeeth goes as follows:


Narrated Abdullah Ibn Omar that the Messenger salla Allah a`alyhee wa sallam came to us saying O people of Muhajereen (immigrants) there are five issues if you will be inflicted with them and I seek refuge to Allah that you would not be available when they occur, never fornication would spread among people till they commit it publicly except that <b>plague and other unprecedented diseases which was never experienced before among their predecessors would spread and prevail</b>


Now u understand why HIV (AIDs) and cancer rate increased and even appeared.


never people decrease the measure and scale except that they are inflicted with food deficiency <b>and unjust rulers</b>,


See that is why I never complain about Honsi Mubarak or other Muslim rulers, it is the fruit of our actions. People must be committing this sin of wrong measuring and scaling.


never people refrain from paying Zakat for their money except that they would be denied rain from sky and if it was not for animals they would have never received rain,


never people violate the covenant of Allah and His Messenger except that Allah <b>Sends on them an enemy from outside to take part of what is in their hands, </b>


For the same reason I dont complain about US strikes and invasion of many Muslim countries taking their wealth. Again it is the fruit of violating the convenant of Allah and His Messenger.


and when their rulers don’t rule with the book of Allah and start selecting from what Allah revealed except that Allah instills their torture among them.” (reported by Ibn Majeh)


Again that is why u see Muslims are not in agreement all the time because their rulers are shopping around the book of Allah


Hope i helped PII