Terroism

[Muslimah]

I may be repeating myself but in a different style but due to the importance of the issue


we need to stop fearing to be labled as terrorists, terrorists in the sense of people who kill for no cause just for the sake of killing, or may be better say criminals. When Muslims are defending their lands, just because this does not suit any other party, we must be very careful before calling to condemn any act, we are not sure if Muslims did it or not.


Most important circumstance differ from place to another. For example, Israili citizens, I think are not civilians, even the majority of women there are of the military staff, plus those who immigrated to take the land, how do they fit then.


My point brothers and sisters is not to judge acts, not label Muslims as terrorists in the sense of mafia simply because we need to practice acts just as described by Ibn that may cause confusion in the other paty's lines, I am not sure even if Ibn agrees to that. Terrorism in the sense he is presenting is not in Islam, but part of the military duty during war is to terrify the enemy.

[Qutuz]

I personally don't think that killing innocent ppl is justified........Allah have asked Muslims to fight against those who fight them............not their kids & other families

what you think is right sister.....i guess we all know what Prohet Muhammed and Abu Bakr al Sedeeq used to tell the army right before it leave the battle (don't kill women,don't kill children, don't kill the unarmed,don't kill blind people,don't kill the elder...etc) and Umar Ibn Al Khattab used to say to the soldiers "fear God and don't harm the normal people (from the enemy)" 'etaqw Allah fel a`awam" "اتقوا الله في العوام"

[Qutuz]

Assalamualaykum....
they are the ones who invented such words... in Islam, there's only ONE deen called Islam. there is no Fundamentalist Islam, no orthodox Islam, no moderate Islam, no modern Islam.... Islam is one, the one revealed by Allah to prophet Muhammad (pbuh)....


Wallahu 'alam...

yes...it's that simple.


Jazak Allahu Khayran.

[abeer]

masha'Allah

Abeer I do agree with u somehow, but isnt urhib is to terror, let us try and find out, it is just that we became so afraid of using this word although it is well contained in our manual.

well if i may add one point here:


the ayah that we're discussing today:( wa a3iddo .... <b>turhiboun</b> bihe 3dwo Allah wa 3dwakum)alanfal (60)


in my humble opinion : the word <b>turhboun</b> means <b>deter</b>


not terrorize !!!!!


because the whole idea is to prevent wars .... just to frighten the enemy up to a point that makes him think a thousand time before declaring a war against muslims.


so the ayah is urging muslims to gather their strengh points to make a WAR PREVENTING SYSTEM .

[lifutushi]

Assalamualaykum.....


And that ISLAM is the one we should protect. they want Islam to co-exists in their systems, NO COMPROMISE!!!!


they want us to practice only half of Islam, NO COMPROMISE!!!


they want our masjids to function only as praying places, NO COMPROMISE!!!


they want us to leave out Islam in worldly affair, NO COMPROMISE!!!


they want us to adapt Islam to the 'modern' world, NO COMPROMISE!!!


how can a system created by The Creator Of Man being adapted into the system created by man?NO COMPROMISE!!!


"Ya ayyuhal kafiruun..... .......lakum deenakum, wa li yadeen....." (you call us terrorists? do you think we care?"


DON"T COMPROMISE!!!


WON"T COMPROMISE!!!


CAN"T COMPROMISE!!!


NO COMPROMISE!!!


Wallahu'alam....

[Ibn_Kumuna35]

Ibn, can u pls try to be more specific and direct in your post may  be this will get us closer. But as far as i understood, unfortunately and I am so disappointed u did not get the message in the post. Ibn, again I am just concerned about u as a Muslim brother, dont get your wish to use your elquent writing style and intellect superceed Quran. Just ponder on the post again pls. and what intellectual terrorism u r talking about, u ve been posting your opinion through the board freely, only when we as Muslims grow concerned, we talk to u, unless u dont need anyone to disagree with, then that is different. I fully understand and respect u as one who came to Islam 6 years ago as I recall, decided to wear Sunnah to proudly represent himself as a Muslim, But brother, dressing Sunnah is not the only issue, u must look at things from the Islamic source, u still say

Salaam Alaikum!


Ok, let me be rather clear. I do not claim any merit of myself nor do I claim to be pretentious. Everything I said in my post was in an agreement with what you said, Muslimah. My last comment was that terrorism is not an Islamic phenomenon but a global reality that needs to be eradicated. Is this not a goal for everyone? To my respondents---I would like them to point out line-by-line where they disagree. I'm getting disillusioned with the disagreements with no direct response or refutation. At least Johndoe does take the time to respond to my points when he does disagree.


--Ibn

[Suhail]

And that ISLAM is the one we should protect. they want Islam to co-exists in their systems, NO COMPROMISE!!!!


they want us to practice only half of Islam, NO COMPROMISE!!!


they want our masjids to function only as praying places, NO COMPROMISE!!!


they want us to leave out Islam in worldly affair, NO COMPROMISE!!!


they want us to adapt Islam to the 'modern' world, NO COMPROMISE!!!


how can a system created by The Creator Of Man being adapted into the system created by man?NO COMPROMISE!!!


"Ya ayyuhal kafiruun..... .......lakum deenakum, wa li yadeen....." (you call us terrorists? do you think we care?"


DON"T COMPROMISE!!!


WON"T COMPROMISE!!!


CAN"T COMPROMISE!!!


NO COMPROMISE!!!

Assalamualaikum


i like ur lyrics Lifutushi i know ive heard them somewhere maybe 2pac? .......... ne way thats besides the point they have some good islamic content in there work ( soldiers of allah )....and its quite good listening to them beats the other rubbish that u can

[Muslimah]

Allah u Akbar Alhamdulelah this thread is really coming to healthy conclusions


Well finally Ibn u placed a direct statement.


Let me repeat what I posted on another thread.


We all as Muslims agree that killing without a just reason is totally not permissible in Islam, taking incidents like the beheading within.


The point we are discussing is can we confirm it is Muslims who did it, no, they want to take our attention away from the real drama.


we must be very careful using the word terrorists when it comes to Muslims, we must not using in an insulting manner. As if we are calling them mafia.


Really Ibn and all my brothers and sisters the situation is more complicated that any one can think. I will give just one example, I am living here in Egypt where alchol drinking is allowed, gambling casinos are operating in 5 star hotels (only for foreigners). It means that state treasure receives taxes from this source, how do u feel. I agree that we can not go kill to change, but can u see what I mean??


We as Muslims agree that we must fight in the name of Allah, the way Allah commanded us without transgression as clearly defined in "And fight in the Way of Allâh[1] those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allâh likes not the transgressors. [This Verse is the first one that was revealed in connection with Jihâd, but it was supplemented by another (9:36)].


" (2:190)


Abeer again I am not sure about your explanation, Insh a Allah I will try to look into it, may be also other members can. Brother Qutuz u seem a native arabic speaker can u help with this

[Muslimah]

Insh a Allah I need to remind my brothers and sisters with a number of incidents and let us examine together their implication.


When the Messenger (Sallah Allah a`alyhee wa sallam) went with the group of Muslims on their first Omra, what instructions did he give to the men?? He told them to rap themselves up in the Ehram cloth from top leaving one shoulder exposed. He also told them, while doing the shuttling between Safa and Marwa to start running at a certain point. What was the objective? He wanted to send a message to Quraish, a threatening message, telling them how strong the Muslims are. He wanted to tell them that regardless of all the difficulties they went through they are still in an excellent health condition that makes them qualified enough to go into war when necessary..


When he was preparing to open Mecca, he commanded the army to stand at the borders for one whole day and night. But at night they were commanded that each one of them light a torch. The objective was to display the large number of the army as well as their strength. The message was well received by Quraish who were terrorized by the scene.


Do u all know O`bada IbneSamet?? Well he is one of the men described by Omar that he equals 1000 men. We need people like him these days.


When Omar sent Amr Ibn El A`as to open Egypt (by the way a historical fact that not many know about it so that those who scream that Islam spread by the sword, Omar was invited to rescue the Egyptian Christians who followed the Orthodox sect rather than Catholicism. At that time Egypt was under the Roman Catholic who seriously tortured and oppressed the Egyptian Copt. The Copts refused to leave their sect and follow Catholicism, while the Romans were putting pressure for this. The Copts sought Omar’s help, they knew that Muslims never force their religion on any one. That is how Omar prepared an army to open Egypt, Insh a Allah I will post more details on this issue). So Amr Ibn El A`as encountered difficulty with Egypt. He sent to Omar for support. Omar sent him an extra army led by Obada. Omar wrote to Amr telling him I sent u an army of so and so led by a man who equals a 1000 men Mash a Allah.


Obada was a dark black man. He followed Omar’s instructions of not initiating the first attack, he had to seek negotiations first. Mo`qawqas, the leader of Copt, offered to talk to the Muslims and asked them to sent a delegation. They selected a number of people and assigned O`bada to do the talking. The minute O`bada came in to Mo`qwqas, the latter was terrified by his appearance. He told the group take this black man off my face. The delegation told him, he is our leader and he is assigned to do the talking. M`oqwqas said how can u accept a black man to lead u. They answered we don’t go by this rule. The end result is that O`bada started talking. He told him, u became scared just by looking at me. Well rest assured that I left behind me a 1000 men who are just exactly like me. They fear nothing, they are not even keen on going back to their wives and children. If we win the battle then Alhamdulelah we are taking u as spoils, if we are defeated then we die and win martyrdom. He spoke with a firm courageous tone that sent a chilling, threatening message which obviously affected the moral of the Egyptian army standing to fight. Of course Allah granted them victory.


I don’t think I need to comment the sense is so clear…..