Blessings And Thoughts From A Christian

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


Peace child


I am here to clarify one matter to u. The relation between Allah and the Creation differ according to what we want to be to Him.


Sine one of Allah's Attributes is Al Ghany (One Who is Free of all needs), therefore He certainly Does not need us, or even our worship. We worship Allah because we need to. We need to talk to Allah thru the 5 daily prayers which makes one think more than once before committing a sin, to fast in order to feel grateful for the provison plus more. I dont intend to push much info here, since u already know much.


But as for the word servant versus children. The word in Arabic is a`bad. Matter of fact, if one of us chooses to attain this level in interacting with Allah, he/she is hoping for the best. Now what does the word Abd exactly mean? It means slave. A literal translation is slave. But let us compare between a slave to a man verus that with Allah.


A salve of a man is bought by money, owned by the master, the master benefits from the work done by the slave. Therefore the slave is seen as an asset to the master that returns to the master certain benefits. On the other hand the slave does benefit nothing, he is not paid in return for his work, only provided food and shelter and sometimes even abused if the master is a cruel one.


Now look at our relation with Allah, Allah Does not benefit anything from our deeds, even if we endure difficulty, or incure any financial responsibility, the impact benefits no one but the person per se. Allah Does not Benefit not in any way. When we strive to attain the level of being servant to Allah, we strive to be actually free not enslaved to anyone/ thing. Thus u r physically free but only abiding by Allah's rules. I know I was brief here. But for the purpose not to push info on u.

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


Peace Child


as for this point, u were not the first one to bring it up:


I just quoted the post which u may find on an informative thread, I am sure u will find it useful to read:


http://www.islamsms.com/bb/index.php?s...opic=1884&st=15


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Joshua it is not us who say that and I think u read enough Quran to know what I am talking about, however, why not place the Ayahs here again


It has nothing to do with Allah's unlimted Capability. It has to do with how Allah Described Himslef to us in Quran, so if we say other wise we would be transgressing against Allah.


I think u posted this argument on another thread too, and received the same reply which I am about to put here but no prob.


"Say (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم): "He is Allah, (the) One.


Allah-us-Samad (The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, He neither eats nor drinks).


He begets not, nor was He begotten;


And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him" (Quran 112:1-4)


And:"'And exalted be the Majesty of our Lord, He has taken neither a wife, nor a son (or offspring or children)." (Quran 72:3)


Look at the Anger of Allah in the coming Ayah every time I recite this Ayah I tremble Joshua I do, although Alhamdulelah I dont say what is contained therein.


"Surely, in disbelief are they who say that Allah is the Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary). Say (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم): "Who then has the least power against Allah, if He were to destroy the Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary), his mother, and all those who are on the earth together?" And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them. He creates what He wills. And Allah is Able to do all things." (Quran 5:17)


Then look at the blame:


"And (remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: 'Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah?' " He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner self though I do not know what is in Yours, truly, You, only You, are the All Knower of all that is hidden and unseen.


And (remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: 'Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah?' " He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner self though I do not know what is in Yours, truly, You, only You, are the All Knower of all that is hidden and unseen." (Quran 5:117-118)


As u can see, we are not the ones saying that Allah, however, when we discuss with a non Muslim we dont quote Quran for to start with they are not aware the Quran is from Allah, but I think u passed this stage as u admitted.....

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


Peace Child


on the same topic, as I explained earlier. Our guide is Quran what is in Quran we take.


Quran say:


"<b>Had Allah willed to take a son (or offspring or children), He could have chosen whom He pleased out of those whom He created</b>. But glory be to Him! (He is above such things). He is Allah, the One, the Irresistible" (Quran 39:4)

[Rock]

HI Chield Of Nowhere


I appreciated your reply,and I feel you are so honest,but sorry I am still on my


believe.I was hesitated to reply for many reasons


1-It is not nice for me to tell any one that I think his country is a nation of evil.


2-I have a long speech, I want to tell you in this subject but time is limited and


my poor english does`nt help me.


3-I found that you start a good and better discussion with other friends and I want


no intrruption for you.


But there is an important point in your reply, I want to understand.You said "I


believe religion should evolve just as our society does.who is to say that Allah can


not change his mind?"did you mean that the God can change his mind,for me I can`t believe that the God who create this universe changes his mind,if you mean what I understand, please clarify.


for the rest of your reply there are some comments ,I hope you understand me.


You said that" the US had full UN approval. in the case of Afganistan",but what US did when she failed to have this approval in case of Iraq?


Any how I consider UN a biased organisation,what UN did for neglecting Israel to about 100 of UN decisions,what UN did when Israel prevent UN deputies to justify the truth in Genen,what UN did when US occupied Iraq without its approval?


It is a matter of power my friend.


I did`nt understand what do you mean when you said"I think that Bush made the right decision with the intelligence that he had" do you mean that his intelligence made him taking the right decision, or you mean that his limited intelligence let him consider attacking the Iraq a right decision.


You ask me to remember that Bush allowed Saddam to bush back on the "firm" deadline for UN weapons inspectors before finally taking action, I ask you to remember that France and Germany tried to let him accept to give more time for the inspectors to finish their job but he refused, I ask you to remember that there was no destructive weapons,it was a false information.


You said that " It takes no less than 4 people to fire any of our nuclear arsenal"


do you know that US was the only nation use her atomic weapons(Nagasaki and


Heroshima),can you tell me who use the depleted uranium in the first war of


Iraq,only America.


You think that whom you call insurgents fight without honor,ask the Falluja to


tell you the truth (I heard in this moment that Israel shoot a primary school


in Palistine, and 9 young girls 9 years old are wounded, I am waiting for the


American response.)


I agree we are poor countries with annual income less than you and lower level of


technology than you,but this did not give you the right to occupy our land and to kill us under the umbrella of democracy and believe me only you can fight for your


rights. Your democracy did not give you the right to unrespect the others.


Do you accept the others to do like your fore-fathers did, based on the same reason(they believed that they had a mandate from god.....)?


Your opinion about the treatment of the woman in the middle east is not correct ,


I think you have this opinion from American biased media and we can discuss this


subject in details if you want.


I really want to know your conclusion about the Palastinean case,as I saw the truth is so simple ,so clear,why you did`nt?


I wander why you think that the Guantanimo prisoner are treated fairly, where is their right to get a fair judgment,did you forgot Abu Graib?


I think that what happened in Abu-Graib is not the responsibility of a few soldiers,


it the responsibility of the inviroments which permit to this ill thought to exist,


It the responsibility of the system who admitted this behavior to be done . and by


the way what is the penalty these soldiers had,is it equal to there behavior?


In our socity death is better than opposing to this dirty bahavior.


I wish the best for honest Americans.

[Rock]

chieldofnowhere


happy new year for you and for all honest people


waiting to hear from you.


best wishes

[ChildOfNowhere]

Hello Rock,


I sent a reply to you through the board's e-mail system. I believe I am going to stop posting to the thread here.


Let me know if you did not get it and I will post.


Happy New Year,


Child Of Nowhere

[NaSra]

I believe I am going to stop posting to the thread here.

Hi ChildOfNoWhere


Are you going to leave us?


<i>I hope</i> not if God wills