why we will not take what rashad khalifa is saying

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


as salam alykom


I was going to make this post under:


http://www.islamsms.com/bb//index.php?...=40entry17516


where our dear brother Wel_mel linked a site which ronniv used before and we deleted the link.


But I saw that this will be totally off topic, yet I really needed to help people see why we dont link him So I brought the topic here Insh a Allah. At the same time, I saw it is our duty to explain the major defects he is making in his approach towards Islam which actually invalidates his literature.


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I already looked into parts of the site before when ronniv used it. But today to be more honest, I spent more time. he is totally distorted even with meanings of words. Like he is confused between the arabic words of message and messenger saying that native arabic speakers know they are both the same, no they are not the same at all, how can the subject be the same as the noun. Basic grammer even in any language.


For everyone:


<b>Message: resalah
</b>


Messenger: rasoul


Big difference.


based on this, he takes the freedom of interpreting certain Ayahs in Quran accordingly which certainly creates much confusion on many levels.


Just exactly as he decided that the true and probably only miracle of Quran which makes it impossible to meet the challenge of Allah of producing a similar Surat (chapter) is the mathematical aspect in Quran which was only found on the 70s. La hawala wala qowata ila billah and for this he interprets an Ayahs of Surat Mutaffifeen:


1. Waylun lilmutaffifeena


2. Allatheena itha iktaloo AAala alnnasi yastawfoona


3. Wa-itha kaloohum aw wazanoohum yukhsiroona


4. Ala yathunnu ola-ika annahum mabAAoothoona


5. Liyawmin AAatheemin


6. <b>Yawma yaqoomu alnnasu lirabbi alAAalameena</b>


7. Kalla inna kitaba alfujjari lafee sijjeenin


8. Wama adraka ma sijjeenun


9. Kitabun <b>marqoomum</b>


The same underlined word is again repeated later in:


Kalla inna kitaba al-abrari lafee AAilliyyeena


19. Wama adraka ma AAilliyyoona


20. <b>Kitabun marqoomum</b>


Note that the same expression is repeated for both groups either fujar or the aailliyyoon.


Before getting into explanation, let me first put the translation of the Ayahs:


" Woe to Al-Mutaffifin [those who give less in measure and weight (decrease the rights of others)],* Those who, when they have to receive by measure from men, demand full measure,


* And when they have to give by measure or weight to men, give less than due.* <b>Think they not that they will be resurrected (for reckoning),</b>* On a Great Day, *The Day when (all) mankind will stand before the Lord of the 'Alameen (mankind, jinns and all that exists)?* Nay! Truly, the Record (writing of the deeds) of the Fujjaar (disbelievers, sinners, evil-doers and wicked) is (preserved) in Sijjeen.* And what will make you know what Sijjeen is?* A Register inscribed." (Quran 87:1-9)


Then again:


"Nay! Verily, the Record (writing of the deeds) of Al-Abraar (the pious who fear Allah and avoid evil), is (preserved) in 'Illiyyoon.* And what will make you know what 'Illiyyoon is?* A Register inscribed." (Quran 87:18-20)


As he is totally confused he is explaining the word marqoom, just because it is a derivative of the word raqam in arabic which means number, as the mathematic miracle of Quran. In this not only that he is limiting the miracle of Quran to one aspect, but also totally changing the meaning of the surah.


Physically this part of the surah as clearly stated in the translation is talking about when people will resurrect, because it begins with a serious warning to those who decrease the rights of others. Because it is a warning, Allah Is reminding those who do it with the Day of Resurrection during which our records which are stamped, well contained, fully detailed and assigned perfectly for each one without any possibility of confusion, will be presented before Allah. That is what Marqoom means and it is a description for the record, which is stated in the Arabic word as kitab. Kitab in Arabic means book, but here Allah Is using it as the record in which angles write (yaktub) our deeds, talk, writing, and all.


But he decides that marqoom is a mathematically structured and thus he makes the word kitab here which is the record as the Quran.


And these are not but an example of many distortions.


One last major point. The Quran being a miraculous book has many and multiple aspects, no I even say countless reasons for being so. Some reason we mankind were able to know throughout 1400, some are yet unknown to us.


But why it is miraculous because it is the work of the Creator, why no one can produce one letter like it, because it is Allah Who Sent it for us to follow.


Sobhan Allah

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


without having to go deep into the site, just the title reform is more than enough, Islam is perfect the way Allah Legislated it, the way Allah Brought it to man kind. So we dont need reformists.

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


as salam alykom


Sobhan Allah, I saw to just shed more light on his confusion.


He says that when Muslims utter Allahum salli a`ala Mohamed, is a form of idol worshiping as they meditate on Mohamed rather than Allah.


For this he decided to translate the Ayah:


""God and His angels support the prophet ;O you who believe,


you shall support him and regard him as he should be regarded." (Quran 33:56)


Now it is much better if we post the transileration first before putting the correct translation, since he omitted a part of the Ayah astaghferu Allah. The Ayah say:


"Inna Allaha wamala-ikatahu yusalloona AAala alnnabiyyi ya ayyuha allatheena amanoo salloo AAalayhi <b>wasallimoo tasleeman</b>"


Now let us see where else does Allah Use the word usalli right in the same Surah but before this Ayah:


"Huwa allathee yusallee AAalaykum wamala-ikatuhu liyukhrijakum mina alththulumati ila alnnoori wakana bialmu/mineena raheeman" (Quran 33:43)


Translation is:


"He it is Who sends Salat (His blessings) on you, and His angels too (ask Allah to bless and forgive you), that He may bring you out from darkness (of disbelief and polytheism) into light (of Belief and Islamic Monotheism). And He is Ever Most Merciful to the believers." (Quran 33:42)


As u can clearly see, the salawat here is divided into two, one that Allah Makes on us which includes Allah's Mercy, blessing and more. While that of angles is actually making dua (supplications) to Allah to Send His mercy etc.


Now back to the one related to the Prophet salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam, the translation including the part that he omitted is:


"Allah sends His Salat (Graces, Honours, Blessings, Mercy, etc.) on the Prophet (Muhammad ﻢﻠﺳﻭ ﻪﻴﻠﻋ ﻪﻠﻟﺍ ﻰﻠﺻ) and also His angels too (ask Allah to bless and forgive him). O you who believe! Send your Salat on (ask Allah to bless) him (Muhammad ﻢﻠﺳﻭ ﻪﻴﻠﻋ ﻪﻠﻟﺍ ﻰﻠﺻ), and (you should) greet (salute) him with the Islamic way of greeting (salutation i.e. As­Salamu 'Alaikum)." (Quran 33:56)


He totally omitted the last part just to verify to himself and confuse and deceive his followers ignoring that when one utters salwat, one is actually making dua (invocation) to Allah to bless the Messneger, one does not and never meditating upon the Messenger (I seek refuge to Allah), we dont sit and say Ya Mohamed, ya Mohamed, this I understand would be totally shirk. We also dont seek his help or support or else it will be also shirk, just like we dont seek help of any other human being. Just Allah.


La hawala wala qowata ila billah

[radiyah]

Bismillah


Al-salam 'alaykom


Jazaky Allah khayr sister Muslimah, I would like to add to what u wrote, this week our scholar explained in fully while explaining ayah 56 in Surat Al-Ahzab


Bismillah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem:


56. Allâh sends His Salât (Graces, Honours, Blessings, Mercy, etc.) on the Prophet (Muhammad ) and also His angels too (ask Allâh to bless and forgive him). O you who believe! Send your Salât on (ask Allâh to bless) him (Muhammad ), and (you should) greet (salute) him with the Islâmic way of greeting (salutation i.e. As­Salâmu 'Alaikum).






He explained that here in this aya, it is a special salat for the Prophet(SAW) for him and his family. He explained that there are 3 categories of Salawat.


1- The Salat of Allah(SWT), The Angels and ours upon The Prophet(PBU) is to to raise him up to Al-Maqam Al-Mahmood(the highest rank in paradise, it is not for anyone but prophet Mohammad., Allahum Saly A'la sayedina Muhamad Wa Ala A'lehi(his family) Wa salem
. This means when we perform such Dua' we are asking Allah to raise The Prophet(SAW) and his family to the highest ranks in heaven.


2- Allah (SWT), The Angels and Prophet Muhammad(PBU) making salat on us , is to ask mercy and forgivness for us, The angels always asks Allah to forgive us and Have mercy on us, when we are praying, when we do good deeds, when we attend lessons of 'Ilm.


3- We ask salat and salam on people to ask mercy and forgivness for them. Like when we say also " Allahum Saly A'la sayedina Muhamad Wa Ala A'lehi(his family) Wa sahbehe( his companions) Wa salem



It is also can be said about Ali(may Allah be pleased with him) Alayhi Al-Salam).


So exactly as u said the word salaat here does not mean the 5 salawats we perform daily.


If only those who refuse to listen or ponder on what we try to explain they will know that not any1 can give himself the right to explain The Holy Quran, if he does not understand its true meaning. The arabic language is very rich and highly eloquent, and The holy Quran is defying all those to bring one word the same. So did any bring any one ayah the same so far?


Subhan Allah, they never will.


Bismillah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem:






23. And if you (Arab pagans, Jews, and Christians) are in doubt concerning that which We have sent down (i.e. the Qur'ân) to Our slave (Muhammad Peace be upon him ), then produce a Sûrah (chapter) of the like thereof and call your witnesses (supporters and helpers) besides Allâh, if you are truthful.


24. But if you do it not, and you can never do it, then fear the Fire (Hell) whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the disbelievers.


Truly La Ilaha Ila Allah Muhamadan Rasool Allah



Wasalam

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


as salam alykom


Jazaki Allah khairan Radiyah for this post Mash a Allah


but why specially Ali, the forumula of Salat includes his companions as we say which covers more than Ali, or do u mean because he is one of the people of his house?


BTW, when I quoted Rashad, he was not referring to the prayers on the Messenger as the prayers, as I quoted him above, he translated it as supporting. He said Allah and the angles support him, and that is why he argued on how can we support him when he is dead.


But Alhamdulelah the whole Ayah is fully clear

[radiyah]

Bismillah


Al-salam 'alaykom


Oh about Ali, Scholar Sayed Noah is trying to tell us that it is not wrong if the shi'its say that, and yes he is a member of the prophets family. And also we can say that on any fellow muslim to ask for them forgivness and mercy. Sorry for not explaining the above in the first place.


And yes about Rashad's explanation, of course it is totally wrong. And there are others like him who think that this word is the same in all ayahs and take it for granted to translate The Holy Quran according to their own whims, may Allah (SWT) show those who are misguided to the right path.


Ameeeeeeeeeen


Wasalam

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


Good I asked about Ali so things can be clearer. Actually it goes without saying, when we make Salat we say his household, and companions who would be all covered. Even his decsendants till the day after Insh a Allah would be covered as well.