Holy Warrior™ Kills 15, wounds 24

[Ruggedtouch]

The purveyors of misery and death once again show their utter contempt for hope, progress, and cooperation: Holy Warrior™ Kills 15, wounds 24
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In keeping with the long established ideological tradition of mass murder/suicide as a means to promote a religious perspective, an Islamic holy warrior™ has yet again murdered innocent civilians as a by-product of spreading hate and intolerance.



Ah well, I’m sure the unintended victims (who had no say in the matter), and their families are better off for this. After all, being immolated in a brilliant flash of orange while being shredded by red hot shrapnel flying through the air at high speed brings glory and favors in the eye of ones deity.

By ALISA TANG, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 45 minutes ago
KABUL, Afghanistan - A suicide bomber blew himself up at a restaurant in southeastern Afghanistan on Sunday, killing 15 people and wounding 24 — including an Afghan special forces commander and a district chief who were apparently targeted for the attack.


The restaurant, in southeast Paktika province, was destroyed, said provincial governor Mohammad Akram Akhpelwak.


Akhpelwak said the attacker, who was Pakistani, (<i>lest anyone forget that Pakistan is our key ally in the war on terror™ -ed)</i> was believed to be targeting the special forces commander and the district chief, who were at the restaurant and were among the injured.


NATO has said that as of mid-November 97 suicide attacks this year have killed 217 people.

Yes, because as anyone knows, a loving beneficent Deity invites His faithful home through acts of insensate hatred and savage violence.

[voice of reason]

The purveyors of misery and death once again show their utter contempt for hope, progress, and cooperation: Holy Warrior™ Kills 15, wounds 24
.



In keeping with the long established ideological tradition of mass murder/suicide as a means to promote a religious perspective, an Islamic holy warrior™ has yet again murdered innocent civilians as a by-product of spreading hate and intolerance.



Ah well, I’m sure the unintended victims (who had no say in the matter), and their families are better off for this. After all, being immolated in a brilliant flash of orange while being shredded by red hot shrapnel flying through the air at high speed brings glory and favors in the eye of ones deity.


Yes, because as anyone knows, a loving beneficent Deity invites His faithful home through acts of insensate hatred and savage violence.

Ruggedtouch, are you an atheist? Just so you know I am. However you do not have a true understanding of the real Islam. The 2nd in power in Iran has denounced suicide bombers and even stated that will not face paradise but instead the fire.


The suicide bombers are not the true reflection of Islam but instead fringe lunatics who are totally misguided.


I am glad you are here, you will find many loving responses and genuine concern over your well being. I have studied the Quran (at least a translation as I do not know arabic) and it is when performed correctly a religion of peace first.


If they claim to be of Islam and wish to harm others they are not listening to their prophet Muhammed (pbuh)


I am an atheist but do believe that in this world, as it stands, that humans do need religion and it has its virtues. It also has its detriments but overall it has brought a safety net over many humans.

[Ruggedtouch]

Ruggedtouch, are you an atheist? Just so you know I am. However you do not have a true understanding of the real Islam. The 2nd in power in Iran has denounced suicide bombers and even stated that will not face paradise but instead the fire.


The suicide bombers are not the true reflection of Islam but instead fringe lunatics who are totally misguided.


I am glad you are here, you will find many loving responses and genuine concern over your well being. I have studied the Quran (at least a translation as I do not know arabic) and it is when performed correctly a religion of peace first.


If they claim to be of Islam and wish to harm others they are not listening to their prophet Muhammed (pbuh)


I am an atheist but do believe that in this world, as it stands, that humans do need religion and it has its virtues. It also has its detriments but overall it has brought a safety net over many humans.

Hello, V of R. Yes, I am an Atheist. Although, I don’t believe that materially affects my commenting on what are the endless litany of news reports of yet more atrocities carried out in the name of a certain deity.



As to any “true understanding” of “real” Islam, I hear that a lot. I’m also suspicious of your claim toward atheism while appearing to be quite the apologist for Islam. Let’s be honest, as a dhimmi under the true Moslem social order – and the only mechanism we have available with which to judge “real” Islam is the behavior of muslims – is a rather tenuous existence. Who is worthy of respect and indulgence in the eyes of the Muslim world? The Muslims are, because they live in submission to God's decree as elucidated in the Qur'an and sunnah. The unbelievers are the universal "enemies of God," who are reviled, and who are definitely not considered worthy of respect. The dhimmis (Jews and Christians allowed to live as second class citizens in Muslim lands™ are held in great contempt, and belittled at all times.


• <i>Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe. </i>


• Let not the unbelievers think that they can get the better (of the godly): they will never frustrate (them). And prepare against them with all armed force you can, including steeds of war, to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies of Allah, your enemies...


• When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads... That is because they opposed Allah and His messenger. Whoever opposes Allah and His messenger, Allah is severe in punishing.


• And we await for you that Allah will punish you at our hands. So wait; For we are waiting for you.


Otherwise, I’m not impressed by Iran’s 2nd in power claiming to have any special knowledge of who is worthy of hell and who is not. The only way to evaluate the veracity of an ideology is to examine the core documents of that ideology. Applying external standards does mean that we cannot ignore the very document(s) upon which the ideology is based. I’ll let you decide to live under the “true” precepts of an Islamic state or under the precepts of liberal Western Democracy.



Let’s examine the “fringe lunatics”, assertion, shall we?


For example, a poll published in the UK Times Online
recently, reveals some noteworthy sentiments coming out of Britain's Religion of Peace™ community.

A SIGNIFICANT minority of British Muslims believe they are at war with the rest of society, the largest poll of Muslims in this country suggests.
The Populus survey for The Times and ITV News has found that more than one in ten thinks that the men who carried out the London bombings of 7/7 should be regarded as “martyrs”. Sixteen per cent of British Muslims, equivalent to more than 150,000 adults, believe that while the attacks were wrong, the cause was right. ...


Assistant Met Commissioner Tariq Ghaffur, Britain’s most prominent Muslim policeman, said: “The poll shows that we do have a minority of people within our community who do effectively pose a danger.


“The tipping point between someone feeling anger and alienation and then engaging in the kind of atrocities we saw last July or being exploited by somebody who wants to commit a terrible act is very, very small.”

Nowhere near small enough, Tariq. London has already seen what four of a certain Deities holy warriors can do.

Populus interviewed 1,131 Muslim adults aged 18+ by telephone and online between June 1-16 for the poll.
It found that half of Muslims believe that Britain’s involvement in the Iraq war was the principal reason for the London bombings. An equal number (49 per cent) believe that further suicide bombings in the UK are likely.


Among the population as a whole nearly four in five (78 per cent) think a further attack is likely.

Some raw stats:



• 13% of British Muslims think that the four men who carried out the London Tube and bus bombings of July 7 2005 should be regarded as “martyrs”


• 7% agree that suicide attacks on civilians in the UK can be justified in some circumstances, rising to 16 per cent for a military target


• 16% of British Muslims say that while the attacks may have been wrong, the cause was right


• 16% would be “indifferent” if a family member decided to join al-Qaeda and two per cent would be proud


But you know, I'm probably being <i>islamophobic</i>™. After all, I'm sure that we'd be likely to find the same rough percentages of British Christians ready to condone or willingly participate in acts of civilian mass murder in the name of Christ and his (nonexistent) biblical doctrine of holy war.


Continuing, Lets state the Obvious:



A Pew Poll
has concluded with the shocking—<i>shocking!</i>—revelations that Muslims blame the infidel for all their problems, and Westerners have a healthy fear of winding up on the business end of the <i>Peaceful Inner Struggle™</i> of Islam.

The latest survey by the Pew Global Attitudes Project, conducted among roughly 14,000 people in 13 nations, finds that publics of predominantly Muslim nations have an aggrieved view of the West - they are much more likely than Americans or Western Europeans to blame Western policies for their own lack of prosperity. Generally, Muslim publics feel much more embittered toward people in the West than vice versa.
Large percentages in nearly every Muslim country attribute several negative traits to Westerners. In one of the survey's most striking findings, majorities in Indonesia, Turkey, Egypt, and Jordan say that they do not believe groups of Arabs carried out the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. Anti-Jewish sentiment remains overwhelming in predominantly Muslim countries.


For their part, Westerners are broadly skeptical of Muslim values. Many Westerners - including solid majorities of the general publics in Germany and Spain - say that there is a conflict between being a devout Muslim and living in a modern society. And Westerners are less optimistic about the prospects for democracy in the Muslim world than are Muslims themselves.

But hey, the bombings in Bali, Madrid and London, the daily atrocities around the world committed to the droning intonation of “Allahu Akbar” – just a media problem.

[PUPPET]

60 % of all stats are unreliable

[Ruggedtouch]

60 % of all stats are unreliable

You might be interested to know that those people in Bali, Madrid, London and the countless others who have been bombed by Islam’s holy warriors™ (in furtherance of their religious ideology), are not just mere statistics.

[PUPPET]

Ok lets sound politically correct and Call them Casualties of War .

[Deen]

• <i>Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe. </i>


• Let not the unbelievers think that they can get the better (of the godly): they will never frustrate (them). And prepare against them with all armed force you can, including steeds of war, to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies of Allah, your enemies...


• When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads... That is because they opposed Allah and His messenger. Whoever opposes Allah and His messenger, Allah is severe in punishing.


• And we await for you that Allah will punish you at our hands. So wait; For we are waiting for you.

Why do atheists use verses of the Quran when they do not believe in the existence of the creator nor in his scriptures.


According to them, the verses of Quran are not true but use them regardless as if they were true to prove their point. :conf06:


Do atheists believe these verses to be the speech of the creator? If no, why use them at all because if I believed something was false I would not be using it to further my points.

[Ruggedtouch]

Why do atheists use verses of the Quran when they do not believe in the existence of the creator nor in his scriptures.


According to them, the verses of Quran are not true but use them regardless as if they were true to prove their point. :conf06:


Do atheists believe these verses to be the speech of the creator? If no, why use them at all because if I believed something was false I would not be using it to further my points.

It’s not particularly difficult to understand, Deen. It makes little difference whether I believe those verses or not. What does matter is that many muslims do believe those verses and others like them. The danger arises when literal interpretation of ancient scripts is taken as a model for how one lives ones life.



In the conflict that is brewing (and brewing larger by the day), its frequently literal, orthodox religious belief that is very clearly at the core. I know the theists are going to jump around and claim that it's the <i>corruption</i> of the religious beliefs and a desire for wealth and power and land, etc., but such finger pointing is a loop then ends up directed at oneself. Ask each of the three groups their perspective, and you will find the majority of each section will assert that in the skirmish:


Moslems believe they righteous and god is on their side


Jews believe they are righteous and god is on their side


Christians believe they are righteous and god is on their side


Step back and look at all warring theists out there: which ones say, "God is <i>not</i> on our side!" ?


No religion claims itself secondary in comparison to its competition. That would dismantle the authority of every religion ("Well, we're sort of right," said the Dalai Lama, "But you know, maybe those Christians are <i>really right."</i> Uh, not likely.)


Why do you think that Muslims are so overtly hostile to competing religions? Isn’t revulsion for non-Muslims a direct product of your faith? We both know that’s true as there are direct, identifiable admonishments to such in the Quran.


I don't think you can discuss this dynamic without including some major consideration to the wellspring of the above beliefs. That is, and has been, and will remain-- the religious beliefs.

[Ruggedtouch]

Ok lets sound politically correct and Call them Casualties of War .

There's no reason to sound politically correct as political correctness has no meaning in this context. Why not just be honest and call them the intended victims of ideologically based murder?