different Sects in Islam

[Kate]

I know I haven't written in a while, but school has been very busy! Have no fear, I have more questions

1.) If you were to convert me to Islam, what would be your claim that Islam is the true religion and Christianity is not? What kind of historical or physical evidence is there that proves Islam is the religion that God created and that Christianity is not. (please dont use faith as a major reason, I understand that , but I want to know historical or physical evidence please )

2.) Which is more important? Converting an athesist or converting a christian? (converting to Islam) (I can explain my opinion and reason when you respond)

3.) Do you think that it is hypocritical of a person to be a religion because their parents are and they only do it out of tradition? For example, do you think that a person who honestly believes in God and trusts in him, but is only Catholic because their parents are and they dont take the time to research or ask or study other religions is a hypocrite?

Well I'll let ya'll work on these Thanks again!

Kate

[wel_mel]

I know I haven't written in a while, but school has been very busy! Have no fear, I have more questions  

Welcome Back. and i will try my best Inshaa Allah to answer your questions.

Bismillah.

1.) If you were to convert me to Islam, what would be your claim that Islam is the true religion and Christianity is not? What kind of historical or physical evidence is there that proves Islam is the religion that God created and that Christianity is not. (please dont use faith as a major reason, I understand that , but I want to know historical or physical evidence please  )

this question forces me to explain what is the meaning of Islam and what is the meaning of Christianity. so you will automaticlly realize which one suppose to be true and which one is man-made.

Christianity: you will never ever find it mention ONCE in the Bible. you will never find any verse in the Bible where Jesus peace be upon him said to his followers that your religion is Christianity. so how come God Almighty doesnt give any title to his religion? but because Jesus was the Christ , THE PEOPLE used the word Christianity after he disappeared. so its man-made and not God's.

Islam: Arabic term which means submission/surrendering/obedience to the will of One true God, who created everything. so whoever submit himself to God's will we simply call him a Muslim in Arabic Language. "i.e when the baby come out from his mother's womb obaying God's order and time, what is it ? its a Muslim.. " when Jesus Christ peace be upon him said more than one time in the Bible that he was sent to to fulfill the laws of God, and to seek the Lord's will, what is it ? its a Muslim too. when all prophets were spreading God's words according to the commandments given to them from their Lord, what is it ? its a Muslim as well. but all of them came in different time and they spoke different languages. the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him spoke the language of Arabic, so submit or surrender in Arabic means a MUSLIM. and we hope that you will be among those who submit themselves to the will of God Almighty.

i also believe that my brothers and sisters in this board can explain better than me, but anyway, you can also check this website, it shows some Miracles found in the Holy Qur'an. the Book of Islam. www.islam-guide.com hope you enjoy.

2.) Which is more important? Converting an athesist or converting a christian? (converting to Islam) (I can explain my opinion and reason when you respond)

both are important Kate, but for me its more EASIER to invite a Christian to Islam, because we have alot of common beliefs such as, we both believe that Jesus is the Christ, that he gives life to the dead by God's permission and heal those who born blined and the lepers by God's permission, that he born miraculously etc etc... so its more easy to take them one more step forward which is believing in the final messenger of God who was Muhammad peace be upon him.. also God tells us in the Qur'an chapter 5 verse 82 that:

- Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, we are Christians: because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.

3.) Do you think that it is hypocritical of a person to be a religion because their parents are and they only do it out of tradition? For example, do you think that a person who honestly believes in God and trusts in him, but is only Catholic because their parents are and they dont take the time to research or ask or study other religions is a hypocrite?

Subhan Allah Kate, you are saying EXACTLY what God Almighty said in the Qur'an, and that is also what happened when i asked my wife why are you a catholic, she said: because my mother and my father are also catholic. check these verses out:

5:104 - When it is said to them: come to what God hath revealed; come to the apostle: they say: enough for us are the ways we found our fathers following. what even though their fathers were void of knowledge and guidance?

31:21 - When they are told to follow the (Revelation) that God has sent down, they say: nay, we shall follow the ways that we found our fathers (following). What even if it is Satan beckoning them to the Penalty of the (Blazing) Fire?

so i dont call it hypocrite Kate, i rather call it lack of informations about God's right path.

i hope this answer your questions and i believe that other brothers and sisters can give you more.

So lastly May Allah "God Almighty" show you and us the right path, and May He protect you from Satan. Ameen

waiting for more questions

Salam

wel_mel.

[Muslimah]

<i>Originally posted by Kate </i><b>I</b>

1.) If you were to convert me to Islam,  

2.) Which is more important? Converting an athesist or converting a christian? (converting to Islam) (I can explain my opinion and reason when you respond)

3.) Do you think that it is hypocritical of a person to be a religion because their parents are and they only do it out of tradition? For example, do you think that a person who honestly believes in God and trusts in him, but is only Catholic because their parents are and they dont take the time to research or ask or study other religions is a hypocrite?

Well I'll let ya'll work on these Thanks again!

Kate

welcome back Kate

First off, let me stress something here:

1. we dont convert no one. no compulsion in religion. Islam is a gift from Allah, we dont go around forcing people to embrace Islam.

2. People dont convert to Islam they revert to Islam. According to hadeeth of the Prophet (PAPBUH) he said what means every one is born a Muslim and then his parents turns him into a jew or other.

3. If u ask me personally I care more for us Muslims to be better, improve and learn more.

4. We are commanded to call for Allah the Only One, the Only Diety worthy to be worshiped.

5. In other words, we dont go around pulling people, putting them in front of us and explain about Islam. If one turns to us, we fully explain and give enough attention, no matter how much it takes of time and effort.

I covered this point Wel_mel covered the rest, I can add more but waiting for you to reply.

[Kate]

Okay this is a long one... - the main theme is me wanting to know why I should be a Muslim- I basically am deciding between Catholicism and Islam and I want to know why Christianity is not the chosen religion of God- basically I want you to disprove Christianity to me and show me what makes Islam the religion of God. This make take a while, because I know that you say Christianity is a man made religion and Islam is the religion of God, but prove to me the Christianity is man made- i’ve given some reasons why I don’t think it is, but if you are able to disprove them, then I will have to reconsider Christianity. Thanks for the help

See, I don't think that Christianity is man made, just because of the title of the religion. The title of my faith and religion is Catholicism key word catholic(which means universal). When I say I am Catholic that means that I belong to the universal establishment of Christ, which we(as Catholics) believe is the Catholic Church.

What I don't understand is the timing of Islam. It began or was restored about 1,400 years ago, where as Christianity began about 2000 years ago. People believed in Christianity over 800 years before Islam was even started or restored.( one question- if everyone was born and is born a Muslim, then why wasn’t/isn’t the whole world Islamic? What happened between the time of Adam and the time of Christ that made people not believe in Islam- and if Islam was the religion of God, then why didn’t Jesus preach that- it’s just hard for me to see people follow Jesus so devotedly and not believe what he said if he said that Islam is the religion of God, or that he isn’t the Messiah, then why would people just make that up)

If Jesus was a prophet of God, then why didn't he teach people that Muhammad would come and that he wasn't the Son of God, or the Savior, or the Christ. Too many people believed that he was the Messiah, for me to believe that he didn't say he was. Like where did people get the idea that he was the savior, if he himself never said it? If he was just another prophet then he should have spoken of Muhammad and that he was the one who would bring the truth to the world about God. He should have written something down like Moses and the stories of Abraham did. But there is no historical evidence that Jesus ever wrote anything dealing with Christianity or Islam. I can understand why this would be another reason to not believe in Christianity, but we as Christians(ie Catholics) believe that this is why he chose apostles. They were the priests and leaders and testaments of what Christ left behind. He chose them to carry one his teaching and legacy and for them to write them down and share to others. Hints the bible.(we believe that God inspired the writers of the bible and therefore the holy spirit blessed them by allowing to write only the truth in the bible- we believe that the bible is the inspired word of God and, yes it was written by human hands, but God guided those hands to write his will which in the end produces the bible) The first bible was compiled 300 years after the time of Christ, by Catholic monks/priests. (The writings by the apostles were there but there weren’t together collectively in a book, so they taught by example- Jesus the first example chose 12 apostles to teach the 12 tribes of the world about him. They were given the power of the Holy Spirit- a gift from God and then went and taught others of Jesus from his examples- this is where you get the Christian Church(ie the Catholic Church). The first mention of the word Catholic was in 154 AD by Ignatius of Antioch, when he said, “where ever you find Jesus Christ you will find the Catholic church.” If I am not mistaken, Islam began in 602 AD. That is 448 years between the mention of the Catholic Church and Islam.

There were tons of false prophets before Jesus- the old testaments even warns about them- claiming to be the Messiah. No one believed these other prophets, and no religions were formed on these prophets. Then what made them believe that Jesus was the savior if he never taught that he was? And what made them form a whole religion which based it’s foundation upon that very principal? Why has that prophet, caused such a massive reaction to God resulting in the largest religion on Earth? If that isn’t God’s religion, then why are there so many who believe that it is?

(The term Christianity was given to those who believed that Jesus was the Christ. It is written in the bible so that is why we call ourselves Christians. All Christians are not the same, and I can understand this is confusing and something that might tell you that Christianity is not the religion of God. That is why I believe that the Catholic Church is the Christian Church that Jesus founded(that’s a whole other story ) so when I say Christianity, I mean that which is defined by the Catholic Church, and not other quote on quote christian churches(ie Protestant).)

Thank you so much for the help!! I appreciate it!!

Kate

[Muslimah]

as salam alykom Kate

before I post the reply, Insh aAllah this will include several articles, pls give yourself time to read them carefully before trying to reply again, like put them in favourit for ex, take your time and read them, u included many points in your post that need to be addressed.

In brief:

1. u want to know the evidence that Islam is the true religion of Allah, as u r aware that we are all Muslims then something happens in the middle, as turning into judaism or other by parent. We know that from the Quran, now u will need to know that the Quran and not any other book is the true word of Allah:

Check this:

http://www.islamsms.com/en/modules.php...article&sid=100

If u have any questions about it let us know:)

2. U want to know if Jesus was not God and was only human:

http://www.islamsms.com/en/modules.php...article&sid=127

again on the same topic from the bible:

http://www.islamsms.com/en/modules.php...=article&sid=98

Definition of Jesus in the Bible:

http://www.islamsms.com/en/modules.php...=article&sid=97

3. U need to know if Jesus ever mentioned Mohamed (PAPBUH) to his followers, read what the bible say about it:

http://www.islamsms.com/en/modules.php...=article&sid=99

What did the Bible say about Mohamed:

http://www.islamsms.com/en/modules.php...=article&sid=83

Read this about the trinity:

http://www.islamsms.com/en/modules.php...article&sid=107

Well I think Insh a Allah these articles will cover your points.

Just read them carefull, u know what before reading them, ask Allah (Allah) for guidance. Just talk to Allah, dont call anyone by name. just try take my advice, surely u didnt ask for it, but i am really wanting to help. Before u start ask Allah to help u reach the truth. U seem very much wanting to. Allah Shall certainly help u Kate. I know how u feel. No need to go into details now.

Just start reading them one by one.

Insh aAllah Allah Will help u

May Allah be with u

[ghareeb]

<i>Originally posted by Muslimah </i><b>1. we dont convert no one. no compulsion in religion. Islam is a gift from Allah, we dont go around forcing people to embrace Islam.</b>

Kate.

Our task is only to tell about islam . Not much. The Gift (hidayah) to be Muslim, come from Allah (God).

[Muslimah]

Hey kate I wonder r u still reading we didnt include that many of articles or were they much :embarrase

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


as salam alykom


Was just surfing the board and came accross this thread.


Kate, if you are still reading, pls refer to post #3:


http://islamsms.com/bb/index.php?showtopic=4647


INsh aAllah it has more comprehensive explanation about Mariam salla Allah a`lyha wa sallam


As for your initial question, there is an important point that nobody brought it up here:


Allah in Quran Say:


"Say: "He has power to send torment on you from above or from under your feet, or to cover you with confusion in party strife, <b>and make you to taste the violence of one another</b>." See how variously We explain the Signs, so that they may understand." (Quran 6:65)


As you can see, in this Ayah Allah Prescribed the types of punishment He May befell over a nation when they go astray. According to hadeeth, the Messenger blessing and peace be upon him stayed up all night invoking upon Allah to Save his nation those types of punishment that many precedent nations observed. Allah Sobhanhu wa Taalaa granted him acceptance of the first two, but not the third one. In other words, when Muslims go astray, Allah Shall test them with division among themselves into sects, as you clearly see now.


In a hadeeth that proves the same point, the Messenger blessing and peace be upon him said:


Narrated under the authority of A`wf Bin Malek that he said the Messenger blessing and peace be upon him said: (The Jews were divided into seventy one groups, only one shall be admitted to Jannah and seventy to hell, Nazarines were dividd into seventy two groups, seventy one shall be admitted to hell and only one to Jannah, and I swear with whom Mohammad's sould is in His hands, my Ummah shall be divided into seventy three groups, only one shall be admitted to Jannah and seventy two to hell, they asked O Messenger of Allah who are they, he said those who follow the group and in another narration those who follow my footsteps and my companions way" (reported by Ibn Majeh)


If you look carefully, in his hadeeth, the Messenger blessing and peace be upon him actually swore by Allah, that his nation shall, that was a future projection. At that time, they were not yet divided, but he ascerted that they will in the foreseen. Why? because this is what Allah Taught him. Compare between the Ayah and hadeeth, you will realise that what is happening, is the fruit of our hands, those who dont follow Quran and Sunnah properly divided themselves into certain groups with certain belifes. However, at the end they still say that Allah Is One and Mohammad is the Messenge. Not that there are others who are totally out of Islam, like Bahais for example who claim that there is this Bahaa who came as a messenger.


I think now you got the point kate. Hope I closed an important gap here.


O before I end, although not a part of your question regarding breaking down into different sects. But pls look at the underlined regarding testing the violence of each other. Although it is heart breaking and bleeding, the issue raising crticisim around the globe against Muslims who are killing each other. Well, it is just in the Quran. If this does not happen, Quran would not be the word of Allah and nay it is certainly the word of Allah the only True Deity Worthy of worship.