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wel_mel_2 · 07-01-2006, 11:22 PM

Bismillah:

Quote:Thanks for the clarity on Islam Monotheism. Many of the attributes prescribed to Allah are no different than the attriubutes that Christians have been presribing towards God for milleniums.

i agree, but there are still huge difference between our understanding of the term monotheim and your understanding.

for example:

1- The Qur’an gives no less than ninety-nine different attributes to Almighty Allah. The Qur’an refers to Allah as Ar-Rahman (Most Gracious), Ar-Raheem (Most Merciful) and Al-Hakeem (All Wise) among many other names. You can call Allah by any name but that name should be beautiful and should not conjure up a mental picture. we should not call Him as Jesus for example.

2- Not only does God possess unique attributes, but also each attribute of Almighty God is sufficient to identify Him. Let us take an example of a famous personality, say Neil Armstrong. Neil Armstrong is an astronaut. The attribute of being an astronaut possessed by Neil Armstrong is correct but not unique to Neil Armstrong alone. So when one asks, who is an astronaut? The answer is, there are hundreds of people in the world who are astronauts. Neil Armstrong is an American. The attribute of being American possessed by Neil Armstrong is correct but not sufficient to identify him. So when one asks, who is an American? The answer is, there are millions of people who are American. To identify the person uniquely we must look for a unique attribute possessed by none except that person. For example, Neil Armstrong was the first human to set foot on the moon. So when one asks, who was the first man to set foot on the moon, the answer is only one, i.e. Neil Armstrong. Similarly the attribute of Almighty God should be unique. If I say God is the constructor of buildings, it is possible and true, but it is not unique. Thousands of people can construct a building. But each attribute of Allah is unique and points to none but Allah. For example, God is the creator of the universe. If someone asks who is the creator of the universe, the answer is only one, i.e. Almighty God is the Ultimate Creator. Not Jesus for exampl.

3- Besides the attribute being unique, it should not contradict other attributes. To continue with the earlier example, suppose somebody says that Neil Armstrong is an American astronaut who was the first human to set foot on the moon and was an Indian. The attribute possessed by Neil Armstrong of being the first man to set foot on the moon, is correct. But its associated quality of being an Indian, is false. Similarly if someone says that God is the Creator of the Universe and has one head, two hands, two feet, etc., the attribute (Creator of the Universe) is correct but the associated quality (in the form of human being) is wrong and false. 

4- Since there is only one God, all the attributes should point to one and the same God. To say that Neil Armstrong was an American astronaut who first set foot on the moon, but he was born in 1971 is wrong. Both these unique qualities belong to one and the same person, i.e. Neil Armstrong. Similarly to say that the Creator of the universe is one God and the Cherisher is another God is absurd because God possesses all these attributes combined together. or to say thta God is one and in the same breath you say he is three is totally false and rejected in Islam.

5- and lastly you should not worship anything or anyone along with this God. this is called Shirk in Islam

Shirk literally means sharing or associating partners. In Islamic terms it means associating partners with Allah and is equivalent to idolatry.

Shirk is the greatest sin which Allah will never forgives. Shirk also leads to hell fire

The Qur’an says in Surah Maidah: “They do blaspheme who say: ‘Allah is Christ the son Of Mary.’ But said Christ: ‘O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord And your Lord’. Whoever Joins other gods with Allah -Allah will forbid him The Garden, and the Fire Will be his abode. There will For the wrongdoers Be no one to help.” [Holy Qur’an 5:72]

in short God commanded us to worship and obedey none but Him:

The Qur’an says: “O people Of the Book! Come To common terms As between us and you: That we worship None but Allah; That we associate No partners with Him; That we erect not, From among ourselves, Lords and patrons Other than Allah.” If then they turn back, Say ye: “Bear witness that we (at least) Are Muslims (bowing To Allah’s Will).” [Holy Qur’an 3:64]

Salam

Wael.

Curious Christian · 07-02-2006, 10:36 PM

Quote:Bismillah:

i agree, but there are still huge difference between our understanding of the term monotheim and your understanding.

for example:

1- The Qur’an gives no less than ninety-nine different attributes to Almighty Allah. The Qur’an refers to Allah as Ar-Rahman (Most Gracious), Ar-Raheem (Most Merciful) and Al-Hakeem (All Wise) among many other names. You can call Allah by any name but that name should be beautiful and should not conjure up a mental picture. we should not call Him as Jesus for example.

2- Not only does God possess unique attributes, but also each attribute of Almighty God is sufficient to identify Him. Let us take an example of a famous personality, say Neil Armstrong. Neil Armstrong is an astronaut. The attribute of being an astronaut possessed by Neil Armstrong is correct but not unique to Neil Armstrong alone. So when one asks, who is an astronaut? The answer is, there are hundreds of people in the world who are astronauts. Neil Armstrong is an American. The attribute of being American possessed by Neil Armstrong is correct but not sufficient to identify him. So when one asks, who is an American? The answer is, there are millions of people who are American. To identify the person uniquely we must look for a unique attribute possessed by none except that person. For example, Neil Armstrong was the first human to set foot on the moon. So when one asks, who was the first man to set foot on the moon, the answer is only one, i.e. Neil Armstrong. Similarly the attribute of Almighty God should be unique. If I say God is the constructor of buildings, it is possible and true, but it is not unique. Thousands of people can construct a building. But each attribute of Allah is unique and points to none but Allah. For example, God is the creator of the universe. If someone asks who is the creator of the universe, the answer is only one, i.e. Almighty God is the Ultimate Creator. Not Jesus for exampl.

3- Besides the attribute being unique, it should not contradict other attributes. To continue with the earlier example, suppose somebody says that Neil Armstrong is an American astronaut who was the first human to set foot on the moon and was an Indian. The attribute possessed by Neil Armstrong of being the first man to set foot on the moon, is correct. But its associated quality of being an Indian, is false. Similarly if someone says that God is the Creator of the Universe and has one head, two hands, two feet, etc., the attribute (Creator of the Universe) is correct but the associated quality (in the form of human being) is wrong and false. 

4- Since there is only one God, all the attributes should point to one and the same God. To say that Neil Armstrong was an American astronaut who first set foot on the moon, but he was born in 1971 is wrong. Both these unique qualities belong to one and the same person, i.e. Neil Armstrong. Similarly to say that the Creator of the universe is one God and the Cherisher is another God is absurd because God possesses all these attributes combined together. or to say thta God is one and in the same breath you say he is three is totally false and rejected in Islam.

5- and lastly you should not worship anything or anyone along with this God. this is called Shirk in Islam

Shirk literally means sharing or associating partners. In Islamic terms it means associating partners with Allah and is equivalent to idolatry.

Shirk is the greatest sin which Allah will never forgives. Shirk also leads to hell fire

The Qur’an says in Surah Maidah: “They do blaspheme who say: ‘Allah is Christ the son Of Mary.’ But said Christ: ‘O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord And your Lord’. Whoever Joins other gods with Allah -Allah will forbid him The Garden, and the Fire Will be his abode. There will For the wrongdoers Be no one to help.” [Holy Qur’an 5:72]

in short God commanded us to worship and obedey none but Him:

The Qur’an says: “O people Of the Book! Come To common terms As between us and you: That we worship None but Allah; That we associate No partners with Him; That we erect not, From among ourselves, Lords and patrons Other than Allah.” If then they turn back, Say ye: “Bear witness that we (at least) Are Muslims (bowing To Allah’s Will).” [Holy Qur’an 3:64]

Salam

Wael.

Just some thoughts point by point with your comment.

1) I've never counted the attributes of God in the Bible but there are much more than 99. Also you say that the name of God should not conjue up an image. Doesn't the word "Allah" conjure up an image to those you profess his name?

2) I completely agree with your idea of God here. Again, we disagree in the end because Jesus is God. Who can forgive sins Wel Mel? Only God can, yet we see that Jesus forgave sins. Who can command the oceans and the storms? Only God can. Yet we see that Jesus did so.

3) I agree. I don't believe that God has a physical body like ours. When we are created "in his image" we were given some of his attributes. Such as the ability to create art for example (which sets us apart from all other animals). Further we were created in his image in that we know good from evil. Jesus, while he dwelt on this earth, did have a body. But nothing in the bible tells us that God has a literal bodily form. We know from the bible that God is everywhere. Christians do not worship God as a human.

4) There is but one God. The Bible teaches us that God is three persons. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. From the creation account to Revelation the nature of God is revealed as Triune. This doesn't mean a plurality. I realize that Islam rejects the Trinity so we differ there.

5) Obviously there is a stark contrast here to was the Quran says and what the bible says. The Bible as we've discussed before demonstrates that Jesus is God.

'“Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’” – John 20:28'

"You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being." – Revelation 4:11 (the words of the 24 elders to Jesus).

“…Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.” – Acts 20:28

“…the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ” – Titus 2:13

“…To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours” – 2 Peter 1:1

“That if you confess with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved…. for, ‘Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’” – Romans 10:9,13. Note: Paul reveals Jesus to be the same “Lord” referred to in Joel 2:32, which he quotes. In Joel 2:32, “LORD” is Jehovah/Yahweh.

wel_mel_2 · 07-03-2006, 02:05 AM

Bismillah:

Quote:1) I've never counted the attributes of God in the Bible but there are much more than 99. Also you say that the name of God should not conjue up an image. Doesn't the word "Allah" conjure up an image to those you profess his name?

First of all, the Bible does not give more than 99 attributes to God, you can hardly find about 30 or so. Or maybe I don’t know. But anyways, this is not our topic.

The question here whether the name Allah conjure up a mental picture which is obviously not. We never think of any image when we say in the name of ALLAH. Unlike the Christians when they say in the name of the Father, you immediately think of someone who is a man (because Christians believe that God is a man but in Islam God has got no gender), and when you say in the name of the son, you are thinking of another man who is handsome with blue eyes like “Jeffery hunter”. in the movie King of Kings And when you say in the name of the Holy Spirit, you are thinking of something like a dove which descended upon Jesus during his baptismal. You have got 3 distinct pictures and those pictures can never be one CC. you see 3 pictures and but you pray to one God that is impossible to me.

Quote:2) I completely agree with your idea of God here. Again, we disagree in the end because Jesus is God. Who can forgive sins Wel Mel? Only God can, yet we see that Jesus forgave sins. Who can command the oceans and the storms? Only God can. Yet we see that Jesus did so.

I might agree with you that Jesus “maybe” forgives sins. But did he do that on hi own? Now if you can read the Bible with little understanding you will come to know that the power of forgiving sins was given to him by God Almighty and it was not his own power.

note what Jesus says when he forgave sin:

Mark 2:10 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins

Notice Jesus tells the scribe that on earth Jesus had the power to forgive sins, so therefore we must now ask ourselves the question, from where did Jesus get this power? Did Jesus own this power? Let us see what Jesus said about who gave him this power, and once doing so, we shall fully grasp the context:

John 17:6-8: 6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. 7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. 8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me

John 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

As you see, Jesus himself stated that ALL THINGS that were given to him were FROM GOD. This means that all the miracles Jesus did were from God, so the fact that Jesus could forgive sin was because the Father had given him this great miracle, it was the Father who gave Jesus this mighty power to forgive sin.

Once we know this crucial information it completely eliminates any thought of Jesus having any divinity because of doing such a mighty miracle. Had Jesus had the power from himself, and did this miracle by himself, then the Christians would have a very good case, sadly this is not how reality is. The reality is that the Father gave Jesus this mighty power and miracle, and if Jesus was really God, he would not need to be given such a mighty power, he would OWN IT, the fact he does not own it shows he is not God, and shows there is nothing divine about performing such a great miracle.

God grants miracles to all his prophets, shall we say each prophet is divine now for doing several amazing super-natural works? Off course not, so why do Christians do it for Jesus? Such inconsistency is very strange, and shows the Christians really have no case on showing Jesus is God.

Quote:3) I agree. I don't believe that God has a physical body like ours. When we are created "in his image" we were given some of his attributes. Such as the ability to create art for example (which sets us apart from all other animals). Further we were created in his image in that we know good from evil. Jesus, while he dwelt on this earth, did have a body. But nothing in the bible tells us that God has a literal bodily form. We know from the bible that God is everywhere. Christians do not worship God as a human.

Jesus had a body, but God has no physical body… therefore Jesus is NOT GOD.

now the topic again is turing from “Monotheism” to “Is Jesus God?” Sister Muslimah is going to ban both of us. so SHUUU ;)

Quote:4) There is but one God. The Bible teaches us that God is three persons. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. From the creation account to Revelation the nature of God is revealed as Triune. This doesn't mean a plurality. I realize that Islam rejects the Trinity so we differ there.

I see no trinity in the Bible also. Please note that in 325C.E., the Trinitarian church set forth the doctrine of CO-EQUALITY, CO-ETERNITY, AND CONSUBSTANTIALITY of the second person of the trinity with the Father.

The doctrine became known as the Creed of Nicea. But they also went on to develop the doctrine of "blind faith." This is because those who developed the "Trinity" doctrine were unable to define it in any manner that could not be refuted by the unwavering Unitarians Christians through the Bible. In the beginning they tried to defend the "Trinity" through logic and the Bible. This continued for a long time until the Trinitarian church finally gave up on ever substantiating their claims through the Bible. So they demanded blind faith in their doctrines. Anyone who did not believe blindly and dared to question them would be branded a heretic and tortured or killed. The following is only a small sampling of the verses of the Bible which refute this definition:

"... my Father is greater than I" John 14:28

Obviously if God the Father is greater than God the son (Jesus) (pbuh) then they can not be equal. Also you may read:

"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." Mark 13:32

If Jesus and God were equal then it follows that they will be equal in knowledge. But as you can see, God is greater in knowledge than Jesus (pbuh). 

It is just obvious CC. don’t stick to doctrines and try to open your eyes for the truth. May Allah show you the right path Ameen.

Quote:5) Obviously there is a stark contrast here to was the Quran says and what the bible says. The Bible as we've discussed before demonstrates that Jesus is God.

Alhamdulelah I refuted each and every claim that Christian made to prove that Jesus is God. but you cant accept the reality.

Quote:'“Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’” – John 20:28'

"You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being." – Revelation 4:11 (the words of the 24 elders to Jesus).

“…Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.” – Acts 20:28

“…the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ” – Titus 2:13

“…To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours” – 2 Peter 1:1

“That if you confess with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved…. for, ‘Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’” – Romans 10:9,13. Note: Paul reveals Jesus to be the same “Lord” referred to in Joel 2:32, which he quotes. In Joel 2:32, “LORD” is Jehovah/Yahweh.

Just because Jesus was called lord you concluded that he is God?

In the Bible we find that this was a common practice with many others besides Jesus. For example:

Prophet Abraham:"Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my lord (Abraham) being old also?" Genesis 18:12

Esau: "And he commanded them, saying, Thus shall ye speak unto my lord Esau; Thy servant Jacob saith thus, I have sojourned with Laban, and stayed there until now:"Genesis 32:4

Joseph: "And we said unto my lord, We have a father, an old man, and a child of his old age, a little one; and his brother is dead, and he alone is left of his mother, and his father loveth him." Genesis 44:20

David: "And fell at his feet, and said, Upon me, my lord, [upon] me [let this] iniquity [be]: and let thine handmaid, I pray thee, speak in thine audience, and hear the words of thine handmaid." 1 Samuel 25:24

Regarding to the statement of Thomas where he address Jesus as My God…am sorry to say that this is an ignorance of the context of the verse and of Christian doctrine prompts this claim. The context of the verse talks about an unbelieving Thomas being surprised when Jesus offers him evidence.

The exclamation, "My God," on his part was just astonishment. We use such exclamations everyday while talking to people. This doesn't mean that the person we are talking to is God. For example, I see John cutting his wrist with a Rambo knife. I say: "My God, John what are you doing?" Do I mean that John is God? Of course not. Similar is the use of the expression by Thomas. If you go into Jewish or Muslim societies even today, you'll hear people exclaim "My God, my Lord," at every situation which surprises them or causes them anguish or is astonishing. In the verse above Thomas says: "My God, my Lord." He was not claiming that Jesus was his God and Lord. If he did then the church and the disciples should have stamped him as a heretic right there and then. Because claiming that Jesus is Lord and God is a violation of Christian doctrine, which asserts that there is One God, the Father and One Lord, Jesus. Jesus can't be God and Lord. "...yet for us there is but one God, the Father...and one Lord, Jesus Christ ...(
I Corinthians 8:6)". Believing the above (i.e Jesus is Lord and God) would leave a person with unorthodox doctrine branded by the church as Sabellianism, Patripassianism, Monarchianism

Salam

Wael.

Curious Christian · 07-03-2006, 02:41 AM

You know we do not agree about the nature of Jesus or God for that fact. If we both agreed than we'd both be Christians or I'd be Muslim.

I think your treatment of the bible concerning the divinity of Jesus is reaching at best. I think a better defense to the claim that Jesus is God would be to try to discount the bible as a whole.

Belief in the Trinity or Jesus is not based on blind faith. The fact of Jesus' diety and the Trinity is rooted in scripture. The council of Nicea only wrote down what had been Christian doctrine since Jesus ascended into heaven and left his diciples to preach the good news.

Your treatment of the word "Lord" is choosy. They are also many biblical references where "Lord" is used for God.

Quote:God grants miracles to all his prophets

What miracles did Mohammed achieve? Did he heal the sick? Feed the multitude? Walk on water? Raise people from the dead? Forgive sins? Calm the storm???? No. Cleary Jesus and Mohammed aren't on the same plane. If Jesus was merely a Prophet like Mohammed (who is Allah's greatest prophet) then why did Jesus do all these miracles and why did Jesus not die on earth while Mohammed did?

Maybe that is another topic. Wouldn't want to upset Muslimah, you are right.

I appreciate the greater understanding I have of Muslim Monotheism from your points.

wel_mel_2 · 07-03-2006, 03:53 AM

Bismillah:

Quote:You know we do not agree about the nature of Jesus or God for that fact. If we both agreed than we'd both be Christians or I'd be Muslim.

Hopefully one day you will realize the truth and accept Islam as many did before you. Insh’aallah. :)

Quote:I think your treatment of the bible concerning the divinity of Jesus is reaching at best. I think a better defense to the claim that Jesus is God would be to try to discount the bible as a whole.
Belief in the Trinity or Jesus is not based on blind faith. The fact of Jesus' diety and the Trinity is rooted in scripture. The council of Nicea only wrote down what had been Christian doctrine since Jesus ascended into heaven and left his diciples to preach the good news.

Your treatment of the word "Lord" is choosy. They are also many biblical references where "Lord" is used for God.

I will not comment anymore on this issue since you are not supporting your claims with any proof. All verses you have quoted before are ambiguous and can be interpreted in MANY different ways.

Quote:What miracles did Mohammed achieve?

I know very well that you are completely unaware of what Prophet Muhammad pbuh did.

Anyways let me remind you that the miracles which performed by all Prophets of God who came before Muhammad pbuh such as parting of sea by Prophet Moses (pbuh), giving life to the dead by Prophet Jesus (pbuh), etc. convinced the people of that time only but these miracles cannot be analyzed and verified by us today. 

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the last and final Messenger of God, sent for the whole of humankind and the message he delivered is for eternity. The Qur’an says:

“We sent you (Prophet Muhammad) not but as a mercy for all creatures.” (Al-Qur’an 21:107)

Therefore the miracle of the last and final Messenger should also be everlasting, examinable and verifiable by people of all ages, after its revelation. Though Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) performed several miracles as are mentioned in the Hadith, including healing the sick, feeding the multitude with small amount of food and milk etc…but he never emphasized them. Though we Muslims believe in these miracles we only boast of the ultimate miracle given to him by Almighty God, which is the Qur’an. 

Al-Qur’an is the miracle of all times which proved itself to be a miracle 1400 years ago and which can be reconfirmed today and forever. In short, it is the Miracle of Miracles. 

Did he heal the sick? Feed the multitude?

Yes he did, shall we consider him as God too? No we don’t. the power of healing etc was given to him by God to support his claim that he was a Prophet of God.

Quote:Walk on water? Raise people from the dead? Forgive sins? Calm the storm???? No.

Yes Muhammad pbuh did not do all these miracles, simply because each and every prophet was given different favors and different miracles. For example, did Prophet Abraham split the sea as Moses did? Will you conclude that Moses is greater than Abraham? Did Moses part the sea by his own power? Or God has given him this kind of power? Of course all these miracles were done by God alone. 

Still not convinced? Ok hear those words from Peter, he said it clearly and plainly:


Acts 2:22 "O you men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN
approved of God among you, with miracles , wonders and signs WHICH GOD DID BY HIM
....."

Clear, simple and plain that ALL miracles which attributed to Jesus were done only by God.

What you don’t understand is that miracles are not the test at all. The Muslim has no hesitation about accepting the most wondrous of his miracles - even that of reviving the dead. But that does not make Jesus a "God" or the begotten "Son of God" as understood by the Christian.

Miracles do not prove even prophethood, or whether a man is true or false. Jesus himself said:

"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."(Matthew 24:24)

If false prophets and false Christs can perform miraculous feats, then these wonders or miracles do not prove even the geniuses or otherwise, of a prophet. 

John the Baptist, according to Jesus, was the greatest of the Israelite prophets. Greater than Moses, David, Solomon, Isaiah and all, not excluding himself: in his own words:

"Verily I say unto you, [b]among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist.[/b]
.." (Matthew 11:11)

1.Not excluding Jesus: because, was he not born of a woman - Mary?

2.The Baptist, greater than "all", yet he performed not a single miracle! Miracles are no standards of judging truth and falsehood.

But in his childishness, the might Christian insists that Jesus is God because he gave life back to the dead. Will reviving the dead make others God too? How about other people according to the Bible???

1- Moses is greater than Jesus because he put life back into a dead stick and transmuted it from the plant kingdom to the animal kingdom by making it into a serpent (Exodus 7:10).

2- Elisha is greater than Jesus because the bones of Elisha brought a man back to life merely by coming into contact with the corpse (2 Kings 13:21).

Need I illustrate to you a catalogue of miracles? But the sickness persists - "it was God working miracles through His prophets but Jesus performed them of his own power." Again I ask you, where did Jesus get all his power from? Ask Jesus, and he will tell us:

"...All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." (Matthew 28:18)

"...I cast out devils by the Spirit of God then the kingdom of God is come unto you." (Matthew 12:28)

"I can of mine own self do nothing " (John 5:30)

"I with the finger of God cast out devils" (Luke 1 1:20)

I just don’t know what else to say or to show you to prove that he was not God.

Quote:Cleary Jesus and Mohammed aren't on the same plane.

True, Muhammad pbuh was the last and final messenger who came to all humanity while Jesus’ message meant for the children of Israel ONLY. 

These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them saying GO NOT into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans ENTER YE NOT. "But go ye rather unto the lost sheep of THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL (to the Jews only)." MATTHEW 10:5-6

"But he (Jesus) answered and said, I am NOT SENT but unto the lost sheep of the HOUSE OF ISRAEL (the Jews only). Mathew 15:24

Quote:If Jesus was merely a Prophet like Mohammed (who is Allah's greatest prophet) then why did Jesus do all these miracles and why did Jesus not die on earth while Mohammed did?

Jesus was saved by God from the evil plan of Jews to kill him, he was not killed as Christian think. And in his second coming he will not bring any new law or regulation but he will come to follow the last and final Prophet Muhammad pbuh and call the people who used to worship him to Islam. And the reason why Prophet Muhammad pbuh is dead because he already completed his mission Alhamdulelah and every soul is going to taste death including Jesus pbuh.

Quote:Maybe that is another topic. Wouldn't want to upset Muslimah, you are right.
I appreciate the greater understanding I have of Muslim Monotheism from your points.

Wow interesting discussion CC. thank you for bringing up these topics.

SHUUUU don’t tell Muslimah that we are off topic ;)

Salam

Wael

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