What is the aim of the birth of every soul?

[dattaswami]

What is the aim of the birth of every soul?


A) A soul is the part of creation. Veda says that the world is created for the entertainment of God only. Therefore, every soul should realize that its existence and life are for the pleasure of God only and not for the pleasure of one’s own self or his family.

[Steve Consilvio]

What is the aim of the birth of every soul?


A) A soul is the part of creation. Veda says that the world is created for the entertainment of God only. Therefore, every soul should realize that its existence and life are for the pleasure of God only and not for the pleasure of one’s own self or his family.

I disagree. We are not a circus monkey for God's entertainment, anymore than my children exist for my pleasure. Yes, it pleases me when they are happy and show virtue, but is not the same as saying that they are created for me. I created them as an expression of myself, but they exist as themselves and me as myself.


Your original question is perhaps more interesting, if disconnected from your claim "A." What is the meaning of life? Where do the souls of the righteous and unrighteous really go? What is a soul? Those are all great mysteries, of course.


We are a family. We all exist for each other, not one for another.


While there is some hierarchy in a family between the young and the old, at some point the relationship is one more of as equals. If anything, we exist because God wants us as friends, but not for his pleasure.


Still, it is a great question that you ask, because it also gets into the question of what is heaven? God seems to want to serve us, and teach us wisdom. Wisdom is a wonderful joy. The ability to love one's enemies, and to have mercy towards all is the highest experience of love. While man sins, God always forgives. Man is such a sluggard, and so slow to learn. I doubt God finds any pleasure in that, but undoubtedly he takes great pleasure in the return of each lost lamb. Thus the lost lamb does not even know what he does, either when he is lost or found, until much later. Righteousness is behavior, but it not the same as wisdom. Once can learn the value of righteousness through the bad haabit of sin, but wisdom can only be learned through faith. We can teach children to behave righteously, but faith can only come from experience and maturity.

[Dan]

Bismillah


"I did not create the Jinn and mankind except to worship Me"


[surah Ad-Dhariyat, 51:56]

[dattaswami]

I disagree. We are not a circus monkey for God's entertainment, anymore than my children exist for my pleasure. Yes, it pleases me when they are happy and show virtue, but is not the same as saying that they are created for me. I created them as an expression of myself, but they exist as themselves and me as myself.


Your original question is perhaps more interesting, if disconnected from your claim "A." What is the meaning of life? Where do the souls of the righteous and unrighteous really go? What is a soul? Those are all great mysteries, of course.


We are a family. We all exist for each other, not one for another.


While there is some hierarchy in a family between the young and the old, at some point the relationship is one more of as equals. If anything, we exist because God wants us as friends, but not for his pleasure.


Still, it is a great question that you ask, because it also gets into the question of what is heaven? God seems to want to serve us, and teach us wisdom. Wisdom is a wonderful joy. The ability to love one's enemies, and to have mercy towards all is the highest experience of love. While man sins, God always forgives. Man is such a sluggard, and so slow to learn. I doubt God finds any pleasure in that, but undoubtedly he takes great pleasure in the return of each lost lamb. Thus the lost lamb does not even know what he does, either when he is lost or found, until much later. Righteousness is behavior, but it not the same as wisdom. Once can learn the value of righteousness through the bad haabit of sin, but wisdom can only be learned through faith. We can teach children to behave righteously, but faith can only come from experience and maturity.

<b>God is so cruel to have entertainment?</b>



Some ignorant people think that God is doing all this for His entertainment only and therefore He is cruel. Without the primary aim which is the upliftment of devotees, the aspect of entertainment is not present. If you say that only the aspect of upliftment should be there without the aspect of entertainment, which is only accidentally associated, that shows your sadism or intolerance of enjoyment of others even if there is no loss to you.


At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami


Anil Antony


www.universal-spirituality.org


Universal Spirituality for World Peace


antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

[dattaswami]

<b>Creation & Enjoyment ……..</b>



Lord created the universe for entertainment. He has given free will to all the human beings to do whatever they like. But, the results will follow the deeds. So, He is indirectly controlling, that is to say that enjoyment for good deeds and misery for bad deeds. Misery is to bring realisation only and not to repeat the same bad deed. Otherwise, He is not responsible for one's deeds. There is nothing like His enjoying when one harms the other. He watches this as a cinema only.


One has to receive the fruits of the deeds whether good or bad (Naabhuktam Ksheeyate Karma). There is only one way to escape the fruits of the deeds. The Lord comes down in human form and undergoes the punishments for your sake and saves you. At the same time He will protect the prestige of God of Justice and the theory of Karma. This is the main reason for His human incarnation.


He will never cancel the fruits of deeds. He will sacrifice Himself and protects you. When you cannot pay the fine, your father pays it. You must become eligible for such grace of the Lord. You achieve the eligibility when you do not aspire to get rid of the fruits of your deeds and prepare to undergo the punishments of all your sins. You should never think that the Lord should sacrifice for your sake.


Most of the times, we misunderstand God and interpret wrongly. For proper understanding of Him, we should learn the divine knowledge and practice it. Lord preaches the true spiritual knowledge in human form only, like Jesus, Krishna and Prophet Mohammed. His mission is to uplift human beings by preaching the divine knowledge. We should participate in His mission as His servants without aspiring anything in return. The practical participation (in form of donating money and physically spending \by working) will only prove our devotion.


Real love involves sacrifice. When we sacrifice ourselves and serve our kith-kin we are getting enjoyment. Our enjoyment comes with the enjoyment of our beloved, which clearly shows that the true love involves sacrifice.

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah:

<b>Creation & Enjoyment ……..</b>



Lord created the universe for entertainment. He has given free will to all the human beings to do whatever they like. But, the results will follow the deeds. So, He is indirectly controlling, that is to say that enjoyment for good deeds and misery for bad deeds. Misery is to bring realisation only and not to repeat the same bad deed. Otherwise, He is not responsible for one's deeds. There is nothing like His enjoying when one harms the other. He watches this as a cinema only.


One has to receive the fruits of the deeds whether good or bad (Naabhuktam Ksheeyate Karma). There is only one way to escape the fruits of the deeds. The Lord comes down in human form and undergoes the punishments for your sake and saves you. At the same time He will protect the prestige of God of Justice and the theory of Karma. This is the main reason for His human incarnation.


He will never cancel the fruits of deeds. He will sacrifice Himself and protects you. When you cannot pay the fine, your father pays it. You must become eligible for such grace of the Lord. You achieve the eligibility when you do not aspire to get rid of the fruits of your deeds and prepare to undergo the punishments of all your sins. You should never think that the Lord should sacrifice for your sake.


Most of the times, we misunderstand God and interpret wrongly. For proper understanding of Him, we should learn the divine knowledge and practice it. Lord preaches the true spiritual knowledge in human form only, like Jesus, Krishna and Prophet Mohammed. His mission is to uplift human beings by preaching the divine knowledge. We should participate in His mission as His servants without aspiring anything in return. The practical participation (in form of donating money and physically spending \by working) will only prove our devotion.


Real love involves sacrifice. When we sacrifice ourselves and serve our kith-kin we are getting enjoyment. Our enjoyment comes with the enjoyment of our beloved, which clearly shows that the true love involves sacrifice.

You have been posting <b>ALOT</b> of information on this board, but you have not quoted <b>A SINGLE VERSE </b> from your scripture to support your claims. I’ve asked you on another thread to please mention the book and verse # but you have ignored my request totally and kept on saying "Gita said so and so... Vedas said so and so.... how am i going to find those quotations in your scriptures?????


Salam


Wael.

[Dan]

Bismillah


"Lord created the universe for entertainment. "


No.


"I did not create the Jinn and mankind except to worship Me"


[surah Ad-Dhariyat, 51:56]


Like wel mel is asking, give scripture references. I am at least doing that, which for me refutes any of your opinions.

[dattaswami]

Bismillah


"Lord created the universe for entertainment. "


No.


"I did not create the Jinn and mankind except to worship Me"


[surah Ad-Dhariyat, 51:56]


Like wel mel is asking, give scripture references. I am at least doing that, which for me refutes any of your opinions.

Thank you, for the reply;


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Where from Satan came?


Then people ask from where Satan came and from what source he got his power? The answer is that the same producer and director of the movie, who appointed one actor as hero has appointed another as the villain. The villain is also remunerated like the hero. Sometimes the producer-cum-director can enter the movie in the role of a hero and such a role is called as the human incarnation of the Lord. The villain opposes the hero in the cinema. The hero wins over the villain, giving a good message to the spectators. But remember that the hero, who is the producer, has remunerated the villain and also directed every action of the villain as the director of the whole picture.


At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami


Anil Antony


www.universal-spirituality.org


Universal Spirituality for World Peace


antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

[Dan]

Bismillah


What you are talking about?!?


We were talking about why creation exists. Now this. Is this how you converse with people in reality? Just ignore their comments or talk about whatever whim flits across your mind?


If you are not here for dialogue then you are here to preach.


Preachers get banned.

[dattaswami]

Bismillah


What you are talking about?!?


We were talking about why creation exists. Now this. Is this how you converse with people in reality? Just ignore their comments or talk about whatever whim flits across your mind?


If you are not here for dialogue then you are here to preach.


Preachers get banned.

Bismillah;


I have already told you that, God has created this universe for His entertainment. Here entertainmnet means He watches the cenima of world without any attachment. He has given free will to all alike. These points you analyse with your brain. When full independence is there, Lord also decided that the results for all the actions will have fruits according to the merit.


Now you are questioning Lords will, by asking Gods entertainment. Who are you to ask that?


Lord wishes that way so it happen. Here God is not cruel. When you are happy through your good acts are you complaining to God. When you are enjoying with family good wife good children good food good neighbours are you complaining for the entertainment of God? These are all included in His entertainment. Lord punishes a souls only as a last resort. He gives him enough chance to correct himself, even if He punishes it is for his change and introspection only so that one should not repeat that act. All these are in the entertainment of God and it is His will.


Now you are questioning His will without understanding the inner meaning. For this very purpose only Lord is coming in Human form and clearing the doubts of people directly. Generally when some human being punishes another human being them that punishment comes out of angriness, but Lord punishes it is for good purpose only and for the upliftment of the soul. All the souls of this world are His children only.