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Saddam is DEAD
#11

Quote:The Murder of Hussain is to scare Arab leaders that their fate will be like Sadam if they do not serve the dictates of the West. It sends a subtle message that Arabs leaders should be submissive and docile to the West.


Saddam Hussein and his execution should serve ample example for secular Muslims. If you rule Muslims with a system other than Shariah', expect a humiliating fate for both you and your supporters.


It's his enemy that killed him, one day they will praise you and support you, the next day they will hang you.


There are new stories poping up now (ex soldiers) who caught sadam in 2003 saying that he was not found hiding in a hole, that he fought like a man but bush gave orders to create that fake scene to further humiliate him.


(It was on the news yesterday)!!


I have read alot about what Sadam did during his lifetime. I have no right to judge him now, he took his shahada. I pray that Allah swt shows him mercy and that he repented.


When they hanged him the shias started dancing around his lifeless body, and now they will rule Iraq.

Given the ineluctable occurrence of human error, it is of necessity essential to incorporate into any discipline a self-critical, self-corrective component. Ongoing objective observation, repeated testing and critical results analysis, comparative theorizations - all human knowledge is subject to such demanding intellectual requirements. Many a sacred cow has been felled by such tireless exercise of cerebral faculties.


Translation - after a 13 hour workday, I enjoy reading the musings of the conspiratorially damaged OCD fringe. The high E.Q. (<b>E</b>ntertainment <b>Q</b>uotient) types are really entertaining.

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#12

Saddam may have had to die just to have revenge


MIDWEEK


By BUNN NAGARA


BEFORE the United States and Iraq could recover from the flaws in Saddam Hussein’s trial, the swift execution erased any remaining credibility the occupation could hope to claim.


Critics preferred the World Court at the Hague for a fairer trial, as Saddam’s transgressions were also international. But it was argued that the former dictator had to be tried by Iraqis to ensure a new democratic Iraq, even when legal infrastructure and expertise were lacking. An international trial might also have exposed the key US and British roles in Saddam’s atrocities.


So the Iraqi Special Tribunal was set up by the occupying power during a war. Despite official claims of adopting international standards, more irregularities followed. The first presiding judge quit over government interference, while the government removed another thus proving the point. Other flaws included anonymous witnesses and judges, lax standards of evidence, a defence team ill-served by court officials, and arbitrary proceedings.


Behind it all, Washington as chief occupier had initiated, directed (through training) and funded the tribunal. Some have been reluctant to call it a kangaroo court, but “Saddam Hussein versus his former enemies,” under a cloak of formal legality alternating between soap opera and TV reality show, had more than a whiff of the marsupial about it.


Although former interim premier Iyad Allawi said the execution was for the court to decide, his successor Nouri al-Maliki hastily signed Saddam’s death warrant when that should have been done by the president. Then the ruse was that Saddam would hang in late January, to confuse protesters. He was hanged within four days of a failed appeal – after charges of the Dujail massacre, but before the on-going Anfal trial had convicted him.


Then things got worse. The hanging showed more Shi'ite partisanship against Sunni Saddam, as his executioners taunted him. Western media condemned it as sectarianism run rampant, as Baghdad has since become Shi’ite-dominated. But there is a more likely and disturbing prospect: insurgents had infiltrated prison authorities, besides the police and army.


The Iraqi people have feasted on more than a year of outlandish arguments in the guise of a trial, and then a high-profile killing by the victors of a war during an illegal occupation. Thus a rare opportunity was lost for nurturing a credible legal culture while unearthing the full extent and nature of Saddam’s crimes.


Not only has the tribunal failed to establish Saddam’s guilt in the anti-Kurd Anfal campaign before he was executed, he had not even been charged for the notorious 1988 massacre at Halabja. Kurdish jubilation at Saddam’s death could therefore only be vengeful sentiment rather than a celebration of the judicial process.


Now that Saddam is dead, hopes for developing justice in Iraq is lost while pressure for more sectarian violence has escalated. Internecine strife between Sunnis and Shi’ites can only deteriorate, given how perceptions continue to feed the feud.


In fast-moving Iraq, Saddam had been removed from power a long time ago. At trial he defended his status as Iraqi president, given the illegitimate invasion and his subsequent displacement. At his execution, he appeared calm and dignified. All of these images may endure longer than anything from Anfal, Dujail or Halabja.


When the executioners created another controversy, it brought the once “yesterday’s man” into the present and future. As a result Saddam Hussein might not even need to be a Gamal Nasser II or another Saladin, which he had tried in vain to be, to have a greater influence in death than he might have had from a prison cell.


http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...3021&sec=nation

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#13

Bismillah


as salam alykom


That was a good read shaunee, jazaki Allah khairan.

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#14

Quote:Bismillah


as salam alykom


As for Bush, and the like of tyrants who are allowed control over Muslims, they will not removed unless we Muslims improve and really look into our mistakes and faults, correct them with honesty. Then Allah Shall remove them in the manner appropriate, using the tools appropriate, in due time. Meanwhile, let us all brothers and sisters keep ourselves more busy of how to really accomplish this important task of removing Busch, is it in the hand of each of us, it is the duty of each of us.

Islam/muslims has faced many challenges before, the Allah that helped them is the same today, it is us mu'mins who have changed


What you said made me look for the below advice From Allah's book:


<b>013.011 Surah: The Thunder (Al- Ràd)</b>


For him are angels ranged before him and behind him, who guard him by Allah's command. Lo! Allah changeth not the condition of a folk until they (first) change that which is in their hearts; and if Allah willeth misfortune for a folk there is none that can repel it, nor have they a defender beside Him.


Spoils of War (Al-Anfál)


008.053 That is because Allah never changeth the grace He hath bestowed on any people until they first change that which is in their hearts, and (that is) because Allah is Hearer, Knower.


The Ants (An-Naml)


027.011 Save him who hath done wrong and afterward hath changed evil for good. And lo! I am Forgiving, Merciful.

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#15

Quote:Please do discuss for us your factual information in connection with discovery and witness cross examination. Please discuss for us the evidence, presented before the court, that collapses as relevant trial testimony. Or should we believe that your laughable one-liners are without substance and mere

i think the amount of judges who quit during the trial should be some kind of indication..?

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#16

Quote:i think the amount of judges who quit during the trial should be some kind of indication..?

Did it cross your mind that maybe judges were quiting because if they didn't they were targets for murder???? How many judges were killed????


Think MAN!

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#17

Did it cross your mind that maybe judges were quiting because if they didn't they were targets for murder????


-- so self interest wins out? couldn't the western forces or others protect them? is it really that futile over there? (and who were the new ones that eagerly stepped up and what were their affiliations? i'm not as stupid as you want me to be..)


..although i did learn to refrain from stupid ill-researched humorous statements (thnx to you in another thred 'round here)


when a columbian drug-lord is brought to trial the same threat of death is there for those judges, if they all ran away what is left to battle the drug-lords?


you think man? - apply this line of reasoning to the iraqi people - because they also were/are targets for murder - should they have all quit and run away? isn't this why western forces are over there? to bring a supposed 'better way' and an end to tyranny? you can't have it both ways..


How many judges were killed????


-- hey.. i don't know? a million?


Think MAN!


-- i did (i think) :P

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#18

Quote:apply this line of reasoning to the iraqi people - because they also were/are targets for murder -

Why did millions of them vote then? Risk their lives to get the blue stamp on the finger?

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