Quote:The Arab conquests were made possible because the central powers in the Middle East had exhausted themselves in wars against each other. They were not able to fight off wave after wave of Arab armies which subdued entire nations with merciless slaughter, rape and plunder.[/quote:26117ac6f4]This is one remark which actualy proves that everything being said is nonsense. Ask some decent history source, there were 3 great empires that the Muslim Nation has destroyed. The Faris Emprie (thats in arabic, they are what is now Iran), The Roman Empire, and the Zulu Empire (south Africa).

Concerning the merciless slaughter, rape and plunder, why dont you also look into some history source of yours and ask where did the Jews flew after the Christians started RAPING AND SLAUGHTERING THEM IN SPAIN AFTER THE MUSLIMS WERE FORCED OUT.

The Jews fled to the North of Africa, to a land still occupied by the Muslims, to run away from the Christian slaughter in Spain. Because they found peace under our wing.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="281" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The Arabs destroyed some of the wonders of the ancient world such as the world famous library in Alexandria, Egypt, They destroyed many ancient churches and synagogues. Anthropologists have recorded how the Arabs destroyed the cultural heritage of any nation which fell under their sword.[/quote:26117ac6f4]O yeah? Well I wonder if Jerusalem was under Arab rule as well? It was and I'm sure you agree with me, because if you dont then your denying the existance of the Crusades which were faught on Jerusalem against Muslims.

If we agree on that, then I ask you, why is the Christian Church in Jerusalem, the one which is believed to be the birth place of Jesus, still standing? It was there long before the prophecy of Mohammed. Yet it still is standing even after Muslim rule over it. Makes us go back to the quote where chick.com said, "They destroyed many ancient churches and synagogues".

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="281" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If the Arab hordes which swept over the ancient world were not Christians or Jews, then what were they? They were pagans who worshipped a pagan god called Allah and followed pagan rites which were practiced in Arabia long before the religion of Islam evolved.[/quote:26117ac6f4]Ah yes, that is why the prophet Mohammed and his followers were tortured by their tribe. That is why the migrated to another city (The Hijra which also marks the begining of the muslim calander).

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="281" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Christians worship one God in three persons: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. But Islam denies the Holy Trinity and worships a different deity called Allah who is not a Father and who has no son. Since the religion found in the Bible teaches the Trinity, then it does not take a Ph.D. to see that Islam did not come from the Bible. Thus it is not the religion of the biblical prophets, apostles or Jesus.[/quote:26117ac6f4]

The migration made by the prophet and his followers was to Medinah, a land ruled by a Christian. Yet still, they took Mohammed and his followers, and protected them.

Yet I ask you, why did the Christians protect a man who denies their deity? Could it be because back then, the Bible wasn't so corrupted and it held a prophecy of an illitrate prophet that is called Mohammed, Ahmed, or Mahmood?

Anyway, I realy dont care whats written in your Bible, I dont believe in it and its not a point to be made that Mohammed is not a prophet because the Bible didnt say so. I dont care what the Bible says anyway, cause its no longer God's words.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="281" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Islam's origins have been traced back by scholars to the ancient fertility religion of the worship of the moon god which was always the dominant religion of Arabia. The moon god was worshipped by praying toward Mecca several times a day, making an annual pilgrimage to the Kabah which was a temple of the moon god, running around the Kabah seven times, caressing an idol of a black stone set in the wall of the Kabah, running between two hills, making animal sacrifices, gathering on Fridays for prayers, giving alms to the poor, etc.. These were pagan rites practiced by the Arabs long before Muhammad was born.[/quote:26117ac6f4]As I have said earlier, if Mohammed didnt bring anything new, then why was he prosecuted by his people? Yet I have to say, the Kabah was there long before the prophet Mohammed, for it was bilt by the prophet Abraham, and through generations, people still think that it is of divine, but because they got corrupted, they strayed from the original path of Abraham and started worshiping idols around the Kabah. Thats why there was a need for a new prophet, the prophet Mohammed, which came and brought them back to rightiousness, destroyed all the idols in and around the Kabah.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="281" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What religion today practices the pagan rites of the moon god? Islam! This explains why the crescent moon is the symbol of Islam. It is placed on top of mosques and minarets and displayed on hats, flags, rugs, amulets and even jewelry. Every time you see the Muslim symbol of a crescent moon, you are seeing the ancient symbol of the moon god.[/quote:26117ac6f4]This is the most pitiful comment I heard so far! There were hundreds if not thousands of gods prayed for before Mohammed in Arabia. Moon is just one of them. Yet you will go about that moon symbol, do you know that the months in our calander starts and ends according to the shape of the moon? That the holy month of Ramadan starts at a certain shape of the moon (which is when the moon is a cresent).

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="281" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Does the average Muslim know that he is worshipping a moon god? No. Does he know why the crescent moon symbol sits on top of his mosque? No. Is he shocked and perhaps angered at these facts of history? Yes. But can mere denial or angry threats refute the fact that Islam is nothing more than a modern version of the ancient religion of the moon god Allah? No. The average Muslim has been kept in the dark by the Mullahs and Imams who would lose their power if the truth ever got out.[/quote:26117ac6f4]Well I guess I have answered that whole article.

Next article:

http://www.chick.com/information/religions...islam/quran.asp

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="281" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The insurmountable problem that Muslims face is that they do not have any documentary evidence from the 7th and 8th century to back up any of their claims. For example, if Uthman compiled the Qur'an as the Hadith claims (Bukhari I:63; IV:709: VI:507, 510), where is the manuscript evidence for this? Why have no Qur'ans survived from that period? Why do we have to wait over a hundred years before we find even a scrap of the Qur'an?[/quote:26117ac6f4]scroll down and see the picture:

http://www.ummah.com/ifsa/pages/section2/a...uthenticity.htm

http://www.themodernreligion.com/basic/his..._PICS_quran.htm

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="281" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The Qur'an was invented in order to give spiritual unity to the vast empire created by Arab conquests. By borrowing liberally from the legends, myths and religious traditions of pagans, Jews, Christians, Hindus, and Persians, they created one religion to rule over all its citizens. Thus the Qur'an was the product of multiple authors from different times and places. These authors contributed stories and legends from their own cultural and religious background. The sources of these stories have been well documented by many scholars.[/quote:26117ac6f4]Oh? well why didnt they give us examples I wonder? But wait, I can give examples of Christian beliefs and Greek myth!

The Christians believe in the river styx which needs to be cross by Charon's help to get to Hell.

The Greeks used to believe that there is a river called styx as well which needs to be crossed by The Ferryman's help. How about your Holy Spirit coming as a swan? Well Zeus did the same thing as well, read the Illiad.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="281" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This is why, to become a Muslim, you must take an Arab name, dress like an Arab, speak Arabic, eat only what Arabs eat, treat your wife as Arabs treat their wives, etc.[/quote:26117ac6f4]TEH!!! Where the hell did they get THAT from?

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="281" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The religion of Islam was thus born out of Arab cultural imperialism and is rooted in a racist attitude that all things Arab are good while all things non-Arab are evil. Until this is understood, the true nature of Islam cannot be grasped.[/quote:26117ac6f4]Ah yes, and this is why Malcolm X excaped the Christian US racist regim, came to Arabia, converted to Islam because he found that there is no difference between people of different races or colours in Islam (and mind you, Malcolm X was American, he didnt know a word of Arabic).

Or are you gonna deny the existance of Malcolm now? How about Mohammed Ali the boxer? Didnt he convert to Islam because he found equality between people of different races in Islam that he didnt find in any other religion?

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="281" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This is why Western dress, food, movies, hairstyles, etc., are zealously denounced by the Mullahs and Imams as Satanic. Such things as blue jeans are not really condemned because they are immoral but because they are not Arab.[/quote:26117ac6f4]O ya? and did you know that Saudi Arabia is filled to the brim with american products? including Giordano, CK, Next, BH, and hundereds of other stores which all sell BLUE JENES? The clearest proof i can find that we have western products here in saudi arabia is that I can talk to you right now. Ever heard of an arab made computer company?

This is pathetic!

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="281" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The truthfulness of this observation is easily demonstrated by Islam's demand that one bow in prayer in the direction of Arabia (Mecca) and make a pilgrimage to Arabia (Mecca). The religion of Islam is Arabian paganism and culture raised to divine law and imposed upon conquered nations.[/quote:26117ac6f4]so your calling us racists because the prophet Mohammed was born in Arabia? We do a pilgrimage to his grave and thus we are racists? what do you want of us? place his grave in england so that you'll be happy? so that we wont be racists?

I can see that the one who is a racist is the one who wrote this article.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="281" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Nations such as Egypt, Turkey, Lebanon, etc. who had the misfortune of having Islam forced upon them by the sword, need to break free from Arab imperialism in order to regain their own identity and culture. Until they throw off the shackles of Islam, they cannot become free societies where human rights are honored. How can this be done? The oppressed masses must return to their Christian heritage which was stolen from them by wave after wave of Arab armies. Why would anyone entering the 21st century want to continue to believe in a foreign religion that was forced upon his ancestors many centuries ago by violence, slavery, oppression and unjust taxes? It is time to break free from the darkness and ignorance of Islam and enter into the freedom and light of Christianity.[/quote:26117ac6f4]

Uh-hu. So now their speaking for us huh? More preaching words with no facts, proofs, and anything that could be taken to discuss with. This is all just speculations made by racists that cant say anything except, "Islam is bad, believe me, Islam is bad! They eat little children and sleep with their cats!" And when we try and look for verses that speak of what they say, proofs, historical facts or anything that we might concider as somethng debatebale other than that non-sense, we find non in chick.com.

sad to see people actualy believeing that crap, shows how empty you are in your heads.

I've realy gotten bored of this nonsence, I believe anyway that those 2 articles which I have disproved is more than enough to show you that chick.com is lieing to you in your face and only stupid idiots would take such lies into your hearts without seconding it or checking its truthfulness from other sources.

Quote:Concerning the merciless slaughter, rape and plunder, why dont you also look into some history source of yours and ask where did the Jews flew after the Christians started RAPING AND SLAUGHTERING THEM IN SPAIN AFTER THE MUSLIMS WERE FORCED OUT. The Jews fled to the North of Africa, to a land still occupied by the Muslims, to run away from the Christian slaughter in Spain.[/quote:0945918468]

They were, most likely, Roman Catholics.

Hypocrites do exist.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="281" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Could it be because back then, the Bible wasn't so corrupted and it held a prophecy of an illitrate prophet that is called Mohammed, Ahmed, or Mahmood? [/quote:0945918468]The Bible they have back then, is the [b:0945918468]same[/b:0945918468] with the Bible we have today. In the essence, not word by word.

We have manuscripts to prove that.

The Bible had been accurately transmitted. An example is the manuscript of Isaiah found, dating about 200 B.C., is the same(some claim word for word) as the Isaiah manuscript in 900 A.D. And this 900 A.D. manuscript is "incidentally" the same with the Isaiah we have today.

The Bible is by no way corrupted. The Jews were very careful on transmitting the text that even just one mistake, the scroll is discarded.

I can say the same with the New Testament, considering the fact that the 24,000 manuscripts were found to be 99.5% pure.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="281" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>He writes nothing but trash and lies about all religions except his particular version of Christianity. Only a fool would believe what he prints! You should check out what this guy has to say about us Catholics. It's disgusting.[/quote:0945918468]

I agree with the Chick mister in some points. [b:0945918468]The Catholic Church[/b:0945918468] has corrupted itself. If you have any violent reaction to this, pm me.

Quote:"With drawn swords our people ran through the city; horses waded in blood upto their knees, nay, up to the bride. It was just and wonderful judgement of God"[/quote:6848f6fb51][b:6848f6fb51]The slaughter was not confined to Jerusalem. The Crusaders, seeking out "heathens and infidels," killed Muslims, Jews, and even other christians throughout the Middle East, notably Antioch and Constantinople. In contrast, on the three seperate occasions when Muslims took control of Jerusalem, no blood was shed.[/b:6848f6fb51]

Taken from [u:6848f6fb51]Silent No More[/u:6848f6fb51] by[b:6848f6fb51] Paul Findly [/b:6848f6fb51](member of Congress for 22 years)

-- Ali