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A question - Ali - 07-16-2003 Assalaamoalaikum [b:7503de8be0]Someone inquired about this code thing is it true?[/b:7503de8be0] By Yasir Muhammad Khan & Sheikh Sahib There are many products containing pig fat which we might not notice in the ingredients. Sheikh Sahib have worked in the food department of France for ten years. His duty dealt with the registration of food and cosmetic items. Before launching the product the manufacturer would bring a specimen to me with a list of components used in it. I would send the specimen to laboratory for examination. Then I would compare the ingredients appearing in the laboratory report with the ones mentioned in the list submitted by the company. If there were no discrepancies, I would issue the registration letter. I noticed that some of the component lists submitted by the companies carried some codes like "E141" and "E904". In the beginning, I was very surprised at reading these codes. When I asked my senior officers about the codes, they said, 'check only the components and don't consider these letters'. This increased my curiosity and I started investigating at my own. I came to know startling facts. My investigation revealed that pig meat is eaten in all Europe, America and Far East. In these countries, there are millions of farms for breeding pigs. In France alone, there are 42 thousand such farms. When the pigs reach a certain age, they are slaughtered and their meat is supplied to the markets. People eat pig flesh. In Europe and America, people do not eat fats at all while pig has a lot of fats. Some two hundred years ago, pig farms and slaughter-houses were formally set up and pork was supplied to the consumers under supervision big problem to dispose of the fat. In the beginning they used to burn the fat but later they thought to use it in products. So, the pig fat was melted and used in making soap. The experiment was successful. Then, plants were set up to process the fat. The packed fat was brought in market where companies would put the fat for using it in food and drinks. In the beginning of this century, quality control was systematized. European countries started to introduce quality control over food, drinks, lotions and drugs, and directed the manufacturing companies to print a list of ingredients and their effects. The companies started printing "Pig Fat" on the wrappers and bottles. But when these products came to Islamic countries, the Muslims boycotted them. You must know the background of the freedom war in 1857 in India. At that time, rifle bullets were sent to India from Europe via sea. During the six-month journey in the sea, the bullets would get moisturized due to humid and salty air of sea and were no longer usable. Britain would put a coating on the bullets to preserve them. To use the bullets, the soldiers would peel the fat coating with their teeth. This continued for some time, but when the local soldiers came to know that the coating was made of pig fat, they revolted. The revolt turned into the freedom war of 1857. Muslims around the world learnt that the European, products had pig fats, and the sale was adversely affected. The manufacturing companies raised a hue and cry and the European governments allowed them to print "animal fats" instead of "pig fats". Now the companies declared that their products used animal fats. But westerners kill the animals in a violent manner by electrocuting them or cutting the neck in one goes with machines. The Muslims slaughter the animals in Islamic way and believe slaughtering through electrocution as haraam, and do not eat the flesh, fat, etc of an animal slaughtered in such way. The European companies renamed the "pig fats" as "animal fats", but the Muslims refused to accept as halaal all the animals slaughtered by the Europeans and started boycotting the European products having an animal ingredient. This was the time when the companies had taken the shape of multinational companies and their products were being sold in the seven continents. The companies did not want to lose a one-third of their buyers. Secondly, the number of products and the output of companies had increased so much that it was nearly impossible to arrange for the fat of halaal animals or corn oil. If the companies had obtained the fats of animals slaughtered in Islamic ways or used corn oil. Their budget would have been affected and the cost would have increased. Thirdly, the pig fat would have gone in waste. After prolonged deliberation, the European minds devised a solution that the companies should not mention "fat" on the ingredient list. But there was a problem that under the law, the manufacturers were bound to print the names of ingredients. To solve this problem, they defined codes for animal ingredients used in the products. The codes represented which animal's ingredient was used in which ratio. The list of codes was sent to food departments of different countries. Since then, the companies mention only the codes and thus make billions of dollars profits every year. It is a pity that the Muslims are unknowingly using these products. One major reason of the increasing obscenity and debauchery in the Muslim countries is the toothpaste, chewing gums, chocolates, sweets, biscuits, corn flakes, packed fruits and vitamin tablets in which fats of haraam animals have been used. These are the only E codes you may detect in a product which has a haraam ingredient. Please print a copy and take it with you on every shopping trip. E-100 E-110 E-120 E-140 E-141 E-153 E-160a E-210 E-213 E-214 E-216 E-234 E-252 E-270 E-280 E-325 E-326 E-327 E-334 E-335 E-336 E-337 E-422e E-430 E-431 E-432 E-433 E-434 E-435 E-436 E-440 E-470 E-471 E-472a-e E-473 E-474 E-475 E-476 E-477 E-478 E-481 E-482 E-483 E-491 E-492 E-493 E-494 E-495 E-542 E-570 E-572 E-631 E-635 E-640 E-904 E-920 -- Ali A question - Ahmed Abdullah - 07-17-2003 Asalaamu alikum, This is the stuff I was talking about in the Milk and Dairy thread. You would not believe what is all kinds of products, such as toothpaste, soap, shampoo, the list goes on and on. If you notice on toothpaste, they only list the active ingredients, which is only about 2% of the product. Imagine what the other 98% is! Be very careful of what you purchase in the U.S. I do not know how it is for you Brothers and Sisters in other countries. We buy only toothpaste that is made from all natural ingredients. Look for these products that say contains no animal ingredients. The only two kinds I know of are, Natures Gate and Toms of Maine. Shampoo like Paul Mitchell contain no animal ingredients also. Beware my fellow Brothers and Sisters, natural flavor as an ingredient must be suspicious of until we contact the company. If it is an animal ingredient it is not likely to halal, because of they way animals are slaughtered in the U.S. I cotacted a company about enzymes used in their cheese making process. The web site said it contained no animal ingredients, but when I E-mailed them this question, they told me they do use animal by-products. I then wrote another E-mail to them and copied what they wrote on their website and what they wrote to me. I got a response saying they do not use animal by-products in some cheese but do in other kinds. So now I do not trust them. But they said they do not use pork ingredients. Even so, the animal by-products are haram because of the slaughtering method. Could you please Brothers and Sisters tell me what is availible for you to purchase in your countries. It is hard here in the U.S. to by food. You have to read all the ingredients so you know the product is halal or not. I have a list of many ingredients that are haram, if anybody is interested, I can post them if you would like. A question - Ahmed Abdullah - 07-21-2003 Asalaamu alikum everyone! Sorry for bugging all of you, I guess nobody really cares about the food they eat? This is the first thing we should be aware of. I do not know what Surah it comes from, but it goes something like this, If you want to disobey Allah(SWT), then eat the food that is unlawful to you, If you still want to disobey Allah(SWT)....... I am sorry I can not remember the rest, but I do know it went on to say three things that will lead you astrary from the righteous path. My knowlegde is limited yes, but I do know some Quran and Sunnah. I may not remember where it came from, but In Shaa Allah someday I will be able to. I thought this might be an interesting topic to talk about. A question - Suhail - 07-21-2003 a.s.w.k these are the latest update of the haram 'E' numbers E120 Cochineal (Carmine of Cochineal Carminicago, C.I.75490, derived from the insect Dactilopius Coccus. E160 Alfa-Carotene, Beta-Carotene, Gamma-Carotene. E471 Mono and Di-Glycerides of fatty acids. When Glycerol is used one has to find out the source whether animal or synthetic. E472 (a-e) Lactic acid esters of mono- and di-glycerides of fatty acids. Prepared from esters of Glycerol. E473 Sucrose esters of fatty acids prepared from Glycerol and Sucrose. E474 Sycroglycerides prepared by reaction of Sucrose on natural triglycerides (from palmoil, lard, etc.) E475 Polyglycerol esters of Fatty acids. Prepared in the laboratory. 476 Polyglycerol esters of polycondensed fatty acids of castor oil (polyglycerol polyricinoleate). Prepared from Castor Oil and Glycerol esters. E477 Propane-1,2-idol esters of fatty acids (Propylene Glycol esters of Fatty acids). Prepared from Propylene Glycol. E478 Lactylated fatty acid esters of glycerol and propane-1,2-idol. Prepared from esters of glycerol and Lactic acid. E631 Insine (Disodium Phospate, Sodium and Inosinate). The Disodium Salt of Inosinate Acid which can be prepared from insect or fish extract. E635 A mixture of disodium guanylare and disodium inosinate. Same source as 631. E640/920 L-Cysteine Hydrochloride and L-Cysteine hydrochloride mono hydrate. A naturally occurring amino acid manufactured from animal hair and chicken feathers. All other 'E' number additives at the time of publication are Halaal, because of the ruling of Tabdeel-e-Mahiyat. . Except the following: E473, E474, E475, E476, E477, E478, E631, E635, E640, E920 E904 Shellac. a substance obtained from the resin produced by the Lac insect, mainly found in India. The secretions are bleached and dried before usage on confectionary, chocolate panning, ice creams latter and the shining of fruit, mainly apples. A question - SisterJennifer - 07-21-2003 Asalaamu alikum, And hi Todd! I don't know if I would say that no one cares about the food they eat. I believe that this is maybe something that is new or perhaps surprising to some. For example, I am sure you remember that many people we have encountered did not realize about toothpaste, soap, etc.... One thing I want to know more about is kosher geletin. When you hear of kosher bacon, you can't help but wonder. :?: But you are right about being very careful what we eat, as Allah will even examine our stomachs on Judgement Day. It is important to educate ourselves as to what really is in our food. Especially in the Westren countries ( I think) as I have no idea what grocery shopping is like in the Eastren countries. ????? Not only do we need to beware of the products mentioned in Br. Ali's original post, but ANY pre-packaged or processed food. Even bread! :shock: It should also be mentioned that the adverage person consumes 1.5 kilograms of CHEMICALS per year from eating processed foods. This leads to some forms of cancer, that were previously unknown in Eastren countries, but as it seems that America and it's products are everywhere maybe it applies to these places now as well. Even McDonald's exsists in some Muslim countries, which is odd, so it would not at all surprise me to hear that some of our other 'fine' offerings have made it in as well. I'm not saying that anyone here patronizes McDonald's or even eats American products, weather they are available or not, but there are those that do for whatever reason. I would be interested in hearing more discussion on the food issue as well. Salaam! Jennifer A question - Muslimah - 04-19-2004 (Assalam) Jennifer and Todd, can u go to this thread: http://www.islamsms.com/bb//showthread...d=7301#post7301 pls give us a reply Jazakum Allah khairan (Fi-Amman-