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Womens dress code. - Guest - 09-24-2003

OK, here is another question regarding womens dress code.

Womens dress code is specifically outlined in the Qu'ran. It is my understanding based on the various translations and explanations that I have viewed that women are basically asked to dress with righteousness, modesty and dignity and there are three basic rules.

There is nothing specific about wearing the Hijab or wearing a veil and these are "traditions" of the region and not direct from Allah. So my take on it would be that a Muslim woman in say Birmingham, England is not required to wear a Hijab unless she wanted to, where as it would be appropriate to wear in the Middle East.

Similarly there is no specific rule regarding the wearing of an all enclosing Burqa (spelling) or all encompassing cloth. So where did the Taliban get the idea that women must cover themselves up in the Burqa.

In fact, some interpretations of the Qu'ran (depends on who you talk to) imply that the dress code is at the discretion of the person mindful of their environment but at all times dress modestly.

No nude sunbathing for Muslims on the French Riviera then [Image: biggrin.gif]

Some of the dress code would seem logical. But again, it seems to me to be putting the onus on the women for men being unable to control themselves. You know, "Look how she was dressed, she was "asking for it"".

Honestly, you should see how some women dress for work !!

Look forward to your input.

Womens dress code. - SisterJennifer - 09-25-2003

Hi Habib Hibee,

I hope this will help to clarify for you:

Quote:Originally posted by HabibHibee 

There is nothing specific about wearing the Hijab or wearing a veil and these are \"traditions\" of the region and not direct from Allah. So my take on it would be that a Muslim woman in say Birmingham, England is not required to wear a Hijab unless she wanted to, where as it would be appropriate to wear in the Middle East.

Surah An-Nur (24:31)

Bismillah ar-Rahman nir-Raheem

"And tell the believing women to lower their gaze, and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer palms of hands, or one eye, or dress like veil, gloves, headcover, apron), and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinnh (i.e, thier bodies, faces, necks and bosoms) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or there fathers, or their husbands fathers, or their sons, or their husbands sons, or their brothers, or their brothers sons, or their sister's sons, or their sisters in Islam, or female servants whom their right hand possess, or old male servants who lack vigor, or small children who have no sense of femine sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allah to forgive you all, O Believers, that you may be successful."

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At the time in which this verse was revealed, narrarated by Aishah (may Allah be pleased with her):

"When Allah revealed: And to draw their veils all over juyubihinna, they tore their Muruts (a wollen dress, or a waist binding cloth, or an apron) and covered their heads and faces with those torn Muruts." (Sahih Al-Bukhari 6/4758)

Clearly this illustrates that Allah (swt) did in fact specify that women should cover these parts of their bodies. It is also clear from the above that it was not customary for the women of this time to cover themselves, as they tore up cloth in order to cover.

-Jennifer

Womens dress code. - Guest - 09-25-2003

Yes I have read 24:31 but, some would argue that the " They shall not reveal any parts of their bodies, except that which is necessary. " is not open to interpretation. In my view, speaking as a non muslim, it does not specifically state cover yourself entirely, head to toe and reveal only your eyes and on no account make eye contact with a male. Right ? And who decides what is necessary ? Some argue that would be the individual, i.e the female. In any event, it boils down to what makes (common)sense, (as a believer) don't be walking around the streets in bra and panties, dress with dignity which, even to me, makes sense.

The part you quote from Aishah, has been added as her interpretation. In other words, Aishah has modified/interpretated the Qu'ran and I didn't think that was allowed. I don't know who Aishah is either. So the actual implementation of 24:31 does not make a great deal of sense as she intreprets the Qu'ran. Why has Aishah been allowed to interpret this verse ? And why was it implemented in such a way to cause hardship which is not what Islam is about. Covering yourself from head to toe may well have been appropriate in the wild times but not so much nowadays.

I am definately beginning to see 2 sides to Islam, one side that says that the Qu'ran is the word of God/Allah and it was his last word and the book is final can't be modified etc etc.

Then there is another side which uses the prophets who did the intrepretation of the Qu'ran who seem to be adding arms and legs to the book which, strictly speaking is not allowed.

Womens dress code. - Muslimah - 09-25-2003

as salam a`alamanitaba`alhoda,

Let me give my input here only on one point Insh a Allah to settle your confusion Habib. Being an Arabic speaker praise be to Allah, I will just explain to your the word in Quran, in order not to go on for some say or some interpret or other have different viewpoints.

The ayah in arabic says:" walyadreben be khumurehen a`ala jouiobehen" Now the word yadreben means to draw or pull down, khumurehen is derived from the word khammar which in arabic means to cover the top of or head of. In other words I may say khammar al-ena-a meaning covered the top of the pot. So ykhamerel shay-e is to cover the top of something. Now we are coming to settle the point, not through what Aiysha said, by the way she is the wife of the Messenger of Allah peace and prayer be upon him, but through the explanation of the Quran.

Now again the word jouiobehen, is plural of Jayb which is the opening slit on top of the dress that allows a woman or man to put head through. Let us take the ayah again one by one walyadreben: pull down or draw, draw what be: this prefix means with, khumurehen: their head cover, a`ala jouiobehen: the slit. I think it is very clear. No doubt, and I don;t care who interprets the way they like. [Image: smile.gif]

Womens dress code. - Guest - 09-25-2003

I see a few different interpretations on this particular verse. Here are a couple of items I have found.

The Arabic word for CHEST, GAYB is in the verse (24:31), but the Arabic words for HEAD, (RAAS) or HAIR, (SHAAR) are NOT in the verse. The commandment in the verse is clear - COVER YOUR CHEST OR BOSOMS, but also the fabrication of the scholars and most of the translators is clear by claiming- cover your head or hair. 

Most of the translators, obviously influenced by Hadith (fabrications) translate the word as VEIL and thus mislead most people to believe that this verse is advocating the covering of the head.

These are particularly interesting points don't you think ? I mean the argument here is that if Allah wanted you to cover your hair, he would have said so, no ?

But really it brings me back to the point, if the Qu'ran is untouchable and not open to interpretation, who is doing all the interpretation ?

And I think that it was established well before Islam there was a tradition of wearing head gear stuff.

Womens dress code. - Ahmed Abdullah - 09-25-2003

Hello Habib Hibee,

I will try to make this as short as possible.

In order for a correct interpetation of the Qur'an in any language(even Arabic) it must have a seal of approval. This seal is found in the begining of the Qur'an, this ensures that all grammar, punctuation, translations, and interpetations are true to the Arabic language. While most Qur'ans may have the same meanining when they are translated, the problem comes to interpatation of the Arabic language. That is why the seal is needed.

Being an American and not knowing Arabic, I am finding out how rich their language is. There are some words in Arabic that have no equivilent in any language.

While you are not seeing the word for chest, hair, etc. As Muslimah and Jennifer both pointed out the word that is used is juyubihinna, And the definition was explained for that word twice. [Image: smile.gif]

May Allah forgive me if I stated anything wrong here.

Womens dress code. - Guest - 09-25-2003

I still see a lot of ambiguity caused by the various translations and not all Islamic scholars are "on board" with the veiling. In view if this situation. don't you think it would be more appropriate to leave this veiling decision to the individual ?

I mean it is pretty clear from the Qu'ran that women are to dress a certain way and despite what you say, it still seems a matter of opinion as to what the dress code should be. With all due respect, if Allah did not say specifically "a veil is to be worn so as not to show your face" who are "the translators" to put words in his mouth/the Qu'ran. If he can be specific about the bosom, surely he can be specific about hair/face ?

There are some interesting views on this, particularly about Saudie and Pakistan.