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Polygamy - Abu Dujanah - 11-24-2003
Assalamu 'alaykum wa rahmatullah,
Look, let's look at the history of great men. Before that, we place a principle: For every principle are exceptions, okay, agree.
1) The Messenger, sallallahu 'alayhi wa salam married some 13 times, and what I don't understand, what is this 'excuse' that some people are coming out with, the Messenger, sallallahu 'alayhi wa salam used to live on bread crumbs some times - did that stop him from marrying more than one?
2) The Four righteous khulafaa` from after him: Abu Bakr, 'Umar, 'Uthmaan and 'Ali all married plenty of times, and wasn't it 'Umar who used to have nothing to offer his guests but some bread, flour and a water?!
3) Plenty of the companions, al-Mugheera bin Shu'bah, the great Mujaahid, was said to have broken the virginity of over one hundred women. Wives, and slaves. al-Hasan bin 'Ali married, according to a correct saying, over 200 times. The examples are more than well-known, and I don't need to mention names.
4) Every single ruler - to my knowledge - from Bani Ummayah married more were polygnous. Every single one, wallahu a'lam.
5) In recent times, let's have a look:
Usaamah bin Laaden: Three wives.
Abu Muhammed al-Maqdisi: Two wives.
'Abduraheem at-Tahaan: Four wives.
Ahmad al-Qattaan: Four wives.
Ahmad Shaakir: Two wives.
Shaamil Basayev: Two/Three wives.
'Umar 'Abdurahmaan: Two wives.
This is thinking very quicly, and thinking of BIG names, I'm certain I could find more if I wanted to.
Obviously, there are exceptions: Ayman ath-Thawaahiri, only had one wife, 'alaya rahmatullah. 'Abdullah 'Azzam, only one. I'm not sure about al-Mullah 'Umar, hafithahullah wa nasarah, but I've heard he only has one.
Now a question, and I know most bro's will not respond to it: but would you not like to have more than one wife?
It's mans nature, we want to change, mix, its better, I'll give you an example which I use quite a lot: If I have one cup, and I always use the same cup, one day, it will break, whether I like it or not. There is a high likeliness that it breaks - even if I don't intend. If however I have two, three, or four cups; I can mix, I use this one once, that one once, and so on. Therefore, all of them are preserved and maintained. Put it this way: you have one wife, you see her every single day (which is the case most of the time), eventually, it becomes boring. Can anyone argue? On the other hand, you have two, three or four, you see this one one day, you miss the other one, she misses you, you want to be with her. Then you miss the other one, she misses you, you want to be with her. So there's always life in the marriage there, there's always excitement, and so on.
Yes, we know women are jealous, women hate their husband to have more than one wife, even the most pious of women, the Messengers wives, split into two parties: the younger wives, and the older wives and they, you could say, declared war on each other.
But no one can question, or deny that this is mens nature whether you like it or not.
- Abu Dujanah.
(Yep, and I know this post will make me really unpopular, but its the truth )
PS: (*according to Musalim, best is to have 3 wives at a time* to spend two days of the week at each house, and one day stay SINGLE and save your head from headache of wives, nagging and children demands lol)
Polygamy - Dan - 11-24-2003
Bismillah
As salam alaikum
I can agree with the nature of man. Yet, I worry most about the accountability before Allah. On that Day I want to have as little bad being said about me as possible. It is also man's nature to incline more towards certain people than others. Women also hone in on these indiscrepencies like bees to honey. I do not need this headache. I'd prefer to treat my wife however I want without worrying about having to be equal. I will have enough trouble trying to make sure my children do not think I prefer one over the other.
As salam alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu
Polygamy - Abu Dujanah - 11-24-2003
as-Salaamu 3alaykum,
I read on one of the discussion boards somewhere, that a group of emotional women, were discussing the topic of polygamy in Islaam. And as always, when people speak without knowledge, a false statement was made. But sadly, it was one which amounted to Major Kufr, I seek refuge with Allaah for myself and my kin from it.
The statement was that since Allaah Created Adam and Hawwaa' (Eve), then Allaah Did NOT Want polygamy to be the practice for mankind.
And I want to respond to this claim for the benefit of my siblings in Islaam.
1. If this was a correct argument, then equally, a deviant could claim, that Allaah wanted from mankind to marry their own brothers and sisters, since this was at least the practice of the first generation of Adam's offspring, since there was no other option for spouses. If one were to say, but that was because they had no other choice, we could respond to them using their same argument, that Allaah without a doubt is capable of Creating spouses for these humans from non-brothers and sisters. But He Does whatever He Wills for a wisdom, that is sometimes hidden from our simple and weak minds.
2. Adam's practice was from the Sharee3ah for those Prophets before us, Allaah Ta3aalaa Says: {To each among you, We have prescribed a law and a clear way.} (al-Maa'idah v. 48) So the correct opinion is that the law of those before us is not a law for us unless prescribed by the Message of Muhammad. Also, there is no evidence that polygamy was prohibited to Adam, since all we have is that he had one wife (since there was no option), not that he was forbidden from such. And even if it was prohibited, our Law specifically permits it, even recommends it with the well known conditions.
3. Qadaa' and Qadr (Divine Predestination) cannot be used as a proof for Allaah's Shar3, since many things have been Decreed by Him which He Did NOT want for us Shar3an (according to Law) to Practice, such as murder. Habeel and Qabeel, the two son's of Adam, one killed the other, that is not proof for the legitimacy of murder in the Sharee3ah. Since this is Qadr (Predestination), not Shar3 (Law).
4. Allaah Ta3aalaa Says: {And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan_girls, then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three, or four but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one or (the captives and the slaves) that your right hands possess. That is nearer to prevent you from doing injustice.} (an-Nisaa' v. 3)
One cannot say that the beginning of the Aayah is meant to set a condition, since it is well known that the Prophet, Sallallaahu 3alayhi wa Sallam, saw many companions who were married to more than one, and they did not do so for orphan caring. This Aayah should be understood in the same sense of the Aayah that allows us to shorten our prayers if we fear harm from the Kuffaar (during war). This is not meant to place such as a condition for shortenning, as is known in the Sunnah that the Prophet, Sallallaahu 3alayhi wa Sallam would shorten in times of ease and tranquility during his travels. So the Sunnah explains the Qur'aan.
5. The practiced Sunnah of our Prophet, keeping in mind that more than 4 is one of his exclusive rights. And Allaah Ta3aalaa Says: {Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad ) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much.} (al-A7zaab v. 21)
6. The Asl regarding issues of Mu3aamalaat (social and business contracts) is Ibaa7ah (permissibility), until Allaah Legislates its Prohibition. So as in the Hadeeth of 3aa'ishah, where she mentions how marriage in the Jaahileeyah were different types, some forms of which are obvious Zinaa, and another form, the one practiced today, it shows that polygamy was left Halaal, but with a restriction to 4 women maximum at a time.
7. The Prophet's silent approval of the actions of his companions, Sallallaahu 3alayhi wa Sallam. The majority of the companions are recorded to have had polygamous relationships, and you can see examples of this in al-Isaabah by Ibn Hajr. Allaah Ta3aalaa Says: {O Messenger (Muhammad )! Proclaim (the Message) which has been sent down to you from your Lord. And if you do not, then you have not conveyed His Message. Allah will protect you from mankind. Verily, Allah guides not the people who disbelieve.} (al-Maa'idah v. 67) So if it was prohibited, he would have to have conveyed it, otherwise he would have sinned, and that it not possible, since Allaah Promised to Preserve this Revelation and Deen. And we know (Ahl as-Sunnah) the Messengers do not sin with regards to Major sins nor with regards to the conveyance of their Messages.
8. It was the Sunnah of many of the Prophets, including the Khaleel Ibraaheem. I mention this as support, not independent proof, since as was presented earlier, the acts of the previous Prophets are not proofs, except in issues of fundamentals and beliefs (like the prohibition of Shirk or lying against Allaah, since such things are impossible to be permitted by one Prophet then forbidden by another or vice versa).
9. Do not use the Satanic whisper of giving authority to the ambigious over the clear-cut. Allaah Ta3aalaa Says: {It is He Who has sent down to you (Muhammad ) the Book (this Qur'an). In it are Verses that are entirely clear, they are the foundations of the Book [and those are the Verses of Al-Ahkam (commandments, etc.), Al-Fara'id (obligatory duties) and Al-Hudud (legal laws for the punishment of thieves, adulterers, etc.)]; and others not entirely clear. So as for those in whose hearts there is a deviation (from the truth) they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof, seeking Al-Fitnah (polytheism and trials, etc.), and seeking for its hidden meanings, but none knows its hidden meanings save Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in it; the whole of it (clear and unclear Verses) are from our Lord." And none receive admonition except men of understanding.} (Aali 3imraan v. 7)
So the obligation is to refer ambigious texts back to the clearcut texts. So those misguided by Satan, who say this argument that Allaah allowed polygamy under the condition of being just and said that we will never be just, so in essence prohibitting it by contradicting Himself, do not follow the way of the Sunnah. First because Allaah Taught us that if it, the Qur'aan, came from someone other than him there would be much contradiction in it. So it is obvious then that we are misunderstanding the verses. As the scholars say, the injustice that is prohibited is material injustice, like sharing of time, gifts, etc. The one which is outside our control is that of the heart, since even the Prophet, Sallallaahu 3alayhi wa Sallam, loved some of his wives over others. He once was asked, who was his favorite person, and said 3aa'isah. So this love of the heart, one is not held responsible for.
10. The Ijmaa3 (consensus) of the Muslims and their scholars, as recorded by Ibn 7azm in his book Maraatib al-Ijmaa3.
11. Lastly, I want to point out that the Asl (general rule) is that it is preferred to practice polygamy, since it was the Sunnah of the Prophet, Sallallaahu 3alayhi wa Sallam, Companions, and it was stated by him implicitly. For example, he encouraged marrying fertile women, for he wants to have the maximum amount of followers on the Last Day. And this goal is achieved thru polygamy. Also, he demonstrated how Sulaymaan wanted to have relations with a large number of women, for the intention of all becoming pregnant with future Mujaahids, but because he forgot to say In Shaa' Allaah, it didn't happen.
But if one is fearful that he won't be just, or has the choice between doing this and something better for his Deen, or some other Shar3ee reason, than of course, in his case it won't be preferred.
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Now, the ruling on the one who denies the permissibility of polygamy or dislikes it, after its legality in the Sharee3ah is made clear to him (in the case of those who can be excused due to ignorance, like a new Muslim, or a Muslim who was raised in the lands of Kufr or bedouin like areas.)
It is established that the permissibility of polygamy is clearcut, it has arrived to us in the Qur'aan, Mutawaatir Sunnah Taqreereeyah (silent approval by the Prophet for a common and widely practiced act), clearcut Ijmaa3, etc.. So its legality, without a doubt is clearcut. The one who denies it, with the well known conditions of pronouncing Takfeer, is a Kaafir. Even if he practices the act itself. Similarly the one who dislikes the act, or makes fun of it is a Kaafir.
Allaah Ta3aalaa Says: {If you ask them (about this), they declare: "We were only talking idly and joking." Say: "Was it at Allah (عز و جل), and His Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) and His Messenger that you were mocking?" Make no excuse; you have disbelieved after you had believed. If We pardon some of you, We will punish others amongst you because they were Mujrimun (disbelievers, polytheists, sinners, criminals, etc.).} (at-Tawbah v. 65-66)
This Aayah is a proof that the one who mocks and makes fun of anything from the Deen, is a Kaafir, even if he was just joking and jesting, not intending it. Even if he was practicing that act itself, like if he was making fun of Salaah, although he does the Salaah, he is a Kaafir.
Also, Allaah Ta3aalaa Says: {That is because they dislike that which Allah has sent down (this Qur'an and Islamic laws, etc.), so He has made their deeds fruitless.} (Muhammad v. 9)
So the one who hates/dislikes any of the Sharee3ah, even if he practices it, is a Kaafir. Since deeds become void only after Kufr.
Also, Allaah Ta3aalaa Says: {So who does more wrong than he who forges a lie against Allah or denies His Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.)? Surely, the Mujrimun (criminals, sinners, disbelievers and polytheists) will never be successful!} (Yoonus v. 17)
And He Ta3aalaa Says: {Then, who does more wrong than one who utters a lie against Allah, and denies the truth when it comes to him! Is there not in Hell an abode for the disbelievers?} (az-Zumar v. 32)
And He Ta3aalaa Says: {But none denies Our Aayaat except the Kaafiroon.} (3ankaboot v. 47)
So the above verses are proofs for the Kufr of the one who denies something from the Sharee3ah, even if he or she practices that act itself.
And He Ta3aalaa Says: {None disputes in the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah but those who disbelieve. So let not their ability of going about here and there through the land (for their purposes) deceive you [O Muhammad , their ultimate end will be the Fire of Hell]!} (Ghaafir v. 4)
The above is a proof of the Kufr of one who debates the truth of something from the Sharee3ah.
Again, the Takfeer falls upon someone in which the conditions of Takfeer are met. One of these things is that the issue must be clear cut, not an issue of Ijtihaad, or the details of somethings which many times are only known to the scholars, or the issues of innovation due to misinterpretations which don't reach the level of Major Shirk. And this issue, the legality and permissibility of polygamy, is an issue which is clear cut in the Sharee3ah. So we won't accept the excuse of ignorance except from a new Muslim or some Muslim living as a bedouin or bedouin like areas or of their likes.
I hope it is clear now that polygamy is Allaah's Legislation, which He Legislated, and that man is not the creator of this Legislation.
This is what I have to say, and I advise those who now know, to repent from their past faults and sins. Oh Allaah Guide us all to Your straight path.
NOTE: The Speech of Allaah is the arabic Qur'aan, so when I said Allaah Ta3aalaa Says, I mean that to be a translation of the interpretations of His Speech, since the Qur'aan is His Speech, and the Qur'aan is Arabic
Polygamy - Purgetroy - 11-25-2003
just to get it out of the way, as far as Islamic laws state, I believe your not allowed to marry the second wife just for lust. the second, third and fourth wives should be married for a more important purpose. for example for protection, etc.
Polygamy - Abu Dujanah - 11-25-2003
Quote:<i>Originally posted by Purgetroy </i><b>just to get it out of the way, as far as Islamic laws state, I believe your not allowed to marry the second wife just for lust. the second, third and fourth wives should be married for a more important purpose. for example for protection, etc. </b>And where did you get this from????
Why do modernists hate polygamy? Just a question!
Polygamy - Purgetroy - 11-25-2003
the only reason i brought that up was because i knew you would disagree. this proves that you truely have a sick mind. i emidiatly knew what your mentality says!
http://www.wponline.org/Magazine/The_Pione..._and_Islam.html
http://www.islamfortoday.com/polygamy5.htm
Polygamy - radiyah - 11-25-2003
If u r calling for polygamy just for lust, like this this is an accusation for prophet Mohammad that he married his wives out of lust, which is not true of course, he first married Khadija she was 15 years older than him, and he stayed with her till her death, then married sawda bint zum3a who was an old woman as well, and also the rest of his women he all married them for political reasons and out of pity and kindness to them, and Umna Aisha, he married her young because it was an order from God because Allah allmighty knows better, that a young girl like her will learn and memorize quran and fiqh in which she preached to the sahaba later she was a scholar who teached scholars, as u know they always say that when one is young he will absorb education more than when old, that is why they say memorize quran when u r young.And in each of his marriages u will find a political story or reason or out of pity for these women. And this is the moral of our Prophet. And marrying these women when he did not have enough to spend, is because women at that time were pious who wanted pious
men, not lucious ones.
And by the way, how many wives do u have????
Polygamy - Abu Dujanah - 11-26-2003
Purgetroy, everything ok at home? No one hassling you?? Or bullying?
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Sister Radiya, i have no wives, Insha Allah one day will do.
Polygamy - radiyah - 11-26-2003
Alsalam 'alaykom,
Insha' Allah and I hope u treat her well.
Polygamy - Abu Dujanah - 11-26-2003
I will.