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The resurrection - wel_mel - 02-13-2004
The resurrection
Salm everyone.
I want to mention before discussing about the resurrection. That the holiday of Easter, the supposedly day of Jesus' resurrection was originally a pagan festival honoring Eostre, a Teutonic (Germanic) goddess of light and spring. At that time of the vernal equinox (the day in the spring when the sun crosses the equator and day and night are of equal length); sacrifices were offered in her honor. As early as the ENGLISH CENTURY, the name "Easter" was used to designate the annual celebration of the resurrection of Jesus.
So where do Christians get the belief of the resurrection from? They got it from the teaching of Paul (Acts 17:18).Paul, who said he was an appointed apostle by Jesus according to his own vision. He never saw Jesus, declared Jesus as the son of God (Acts 9:20) and admitted that the resurrection was HIS gospel (II Timothy 2:8). So Christianity in its present belief that the Crucifixion/resurrection is necessary for the redemption of sin is not a teaching of Jesus, The sins of people were being forgiven before the alleged crucifixion or resurrection as shown in (Mark 2:5) And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, "My son, your sins are forgiven."
And (Luke 7:48) and he said unto her "Thy sins are forgiven"
Further, knowing that Jesus forgave sins before the crucifixion or resurrection contradicts the belief that the blood if Jesus as washing away sins, For according to
(Deuteronomy 24:16) The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: EVERY MAN SHALL BE PUT TO DEATH FOR HIS OWN SINS"
this belief of present day Christians is of Paul's. Paul justified his doctrine with use of (Romans 7:1-4): 1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? 2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. 4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
The above-mentioned verses clearly show that Paul made a distinction between Jesus and Christ. According to his reasoning, the law which had bound Jesus and his followers was no longer necessary since Jesus had died. Now they were no longer "married" to Jesus but to Christ, who had brought another law in a direct revelation to him(Paul). It was, therefore, necessary to follow Christ and not Jesus, teaching has gone astray. It was the use of this reasoning that Paul assembled his doctrine of redemption and atonement. Jesus never taught this theory. It was a great success, since, in so many words, it preached that a man could do what he waned and not face the inevitable consequences of his actions, provided that, at the end of the day he said : I believe in Christ" However, the basic premise on which Paul's reasoning was based is false, since Jesus was neither Crucified nor resurrected. His doctrines of redemption and atonement are fallacious.
Do you know that the doctrine of atonement was accepted by the Church three to four centuries after Jesus left the earth? Read Deuteronomy 24:16, Jeremiah 31:30 and Ezekiel 18:29 and you will find that this doctrine of atonement contradicts the Old testament/law
Deuteronomy 24:16 the fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
Jeremiah 31:30 30 but every one shall die for his own iniquity…
Ezekiel 18:29 20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him
Now read Mathew 7:1 & 2 and 1Corinthians 3:8. there is no reason for atonement of "Original Sin" for Mathew 19:14 clearly states that children (Everybody at one time) belong to the kingdom of Heaven. This notion of "belonging to the kingdom of Heaven" in the line with the Islamic belief that:
"Every newborn child is born in complete submission to Allah (as a Muslim) but his parents change him/her into Judaism, Christianity, etc etc .
Further, Jesus states in Mark 11:25-26 and Luke 11:1-4 that trespasses (Sins) are forgiven by God. So, there is no reason for Jesus atonement for sins.
Mark 11:25-26 25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. 26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.
Luke 11:1-4 1 And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples. 2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. 3 Give us day by day our daily bread. 4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.
So, Jesus came not to destroy the law. It was Paul who abolished the [Mosaic] law. Read Acts 13:39 : 39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
The "authority" that Paul amassed allowed him to claim that the blessings of the Gospel were not limited to the Jews, but to all who believed. This also is an absolute contradiction to the mission purpose and teaching of Jesus. Jesus' true message was the law. The same law that guided Adam, Abraham, Moses, Noah and all the other prophets, to include the prophet of Islam Muhammad, who prophesied in the Bible as mentioned in the
Qur'an:7-157
Those who follow the apostle, the unlettered prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures), in the law and the Gospel; for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); he releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. so it is those who believe in him, honor him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him, it is they who will prosper.