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Aisha vs Ali - is it true? - honeycomb - 04-06-2004 assalamualaikum, i have read that in the "Jamal War", Aisha went against Ali after the murder of Uthman. she even mobilise her own army, some 30,000 of them i think. is it true? can somebody enlighten me? thank you. Aisha vs Ali - is it true? - Maey - 04-06-2004 i don't know much about the story..however i too heard that Aisha went against Ali, and that she was imprisoned by his army..and that in respect to Muhamed (PBUH), Ali took her all the way home regardless of the fact she went against him... just heard this .... no much help to u i'm sorry Aisha vs Ali - is it true? - Amatullah - 04-07-2004 Here is the full story, fitnah happened, the hypocrites were behind it, hypocrites are most dangerous people to the Muslim Ummah. ============ <b>The Camel's Battle (36 A.H.): </b> When the oath of allegiance was taken for Ali ibn Abi Taleb, Talaha and Az-Zubayr asked Ali for permission to go to Makkah. He gave them permission. There, they met A'isha, Mother of the Faithful. The news of the killing of Uthman had already reached there. Accordingly, they met in Makkah and decided to take revenge for Uthman. Also, Yaala ibn Munya arrived from Basra, and Abdulla ibn Amer from Kufa and agreed upon taking revenge for Uthman. They returned from Makkah, and were joined by others from Basra, seeking for Uthman's killers, feeling that they had failed to defend Uthman (RA). At that time, Ali (RA) was in Medina. He had appointed Uthman ibn Hunayf as governor of Basra. When they reached Basra Uthman ibn Hunayf inquired: "what do you want?" They replied: "we are after the killers of Uthman." He told them: "let us leave the matter until the arrival of Ali." He denied them entry. Jabala, one of those who participated in Uthman's killing, led seven hundred men to confront them. They, however, defeated him and killed many of his followers. Many of the inhabitants of Basra joined the army of Talha, Zubair and A'isha. At that point, Ali (RA) headed to Kufa from Medina, when he heard that fighting broke between Uthman ibn Hunayf, his governor in Basra, and the army of Talha, Zubair and A'isha. Ali organised a ten thousand man army to fight them. This shows clearly that Ali ibn Abi Taleb (RA) moved to fight them. They did not seek to fight him or revolt against him. Al Miqdad ibn Al Aswad and Al Qa'aqa'a ibn Amr were both sent by him to negotiate with Talha and Az-Zubair. Al Miqdad and Al Qa'aqa'a on the one hand, and Talha and Zubair on the other agreed, to refrain from fighting. Each party explained its point of view. Talha and Az-Zubair were of the opinion that the killers of Uthman should not be left at large. Ali thought that the matter should be postponed until things were settled. Therefore, punishment of the killers of Uthman had already been agreed upon. The difference of opinion between the two sides was regarding only the timing of it. Following that agreement, the two armies, being relieved, were at rest. However, the followers of Abdullah ibn Saba'a, i.e. killers of Uthman, were not at ease at all because that agreement was against them. This is what historians who wrote about this battle, such as Al Tabari, ibn Kathir, ibn Al Athir, ibn Hazm and others mentioned. The Saba'eans, therefore, decided to challenge that agreement. Before dawn and while all were sleeping, a group of them attacked the army of Talha and Az-Zubair, killed some of its soldiers, and fled. The army of Talha and Az-Zubair thought that the army of Ali took them by surprise, so they started skirmishes with the army of Ali in the morning. The army of Ali thought that the army of Talha and Az-Zubair had tricked them and by noon skirmishes erupted into full battle! Leaders from the two armies tried to stop the fighting but in vain. Talha was reported to call: "Do you listen, people?" When he realized that they were not listening, he said: "Damn! You are not but butterflies of fire and flies of greed."( i.e. you are wrongdoers and seeking worldly gains.) When Ali (RA) tried to stop them, they did not listen to him. A'isha sent Ka'ab ibn Sawr carrying a Holy Qur'an copy to stop the fight, the Saba'eans turned their arrows on him until he was killed. The Camel Battle took place in the year 36 A.H., at the beginning of Ali's caliphate. It started in the afternoon, and finished just before sunset of the same day. Ali (RA) had ten thousand men and the other army was ranging between five and six thousands. Ali's flag was with his son, Muhammad, while the other army's flag was with Abdullah ibn Az-Zubair. On that day, many Muslims were killed. Talha, Az-Zubair and Muhammad ibn Talha, though the first two did not participate in that battle. When Az-Zubair (RA) arrived at the battle place, he came across Ali who told him: Do you remember that the Prophet (SAWS) said: "You'll fight him (Ali) while you are not doing justice to him." Az-Zubair is reported to have returned on that day, and did not fight. It is true that he did not fight. However, this version has no strong authority though it has been mentioned often. But whether the encounter between him and Ali took place or not the fact remains that he (Az-Zubair) was not a party to that battle, and that he was killed, perfidiously, by somebody by the name of ibn Jurmuz. Talha (RA) was killed by an arrow that opened an old wound. He tried, before his death, to prevent people from fighting. Many fell in that battle and lost their lives before it came to an end. Many soldiers were killed in defence of the camel of A'isha which was a symbol to them. No sooner had the camel fallen than the battle subsided. The result was that Ali (RA) emerged victorious. However, it is valid to say that nobody emerged victorious because Islam and Muslims were the losers. At the end of the battle, Ali (RA) made his way among the dead. There, he found Talha ibn Ubaidillah (RA). After removing dust from Talha's face and making his body upright, Ali (RA) said: "I am sorry to see you this way, dead and unsheltered, 'Oh Abu Muhammad!" He wept and said: "I wish I would have died, twenty years before this." In fact, all the Companions who took part in this battle, regretted what had happened. When Ali saw Muhammad ibn Talha killed in the battlefield he wept. Muhammad ibn Talha used to be nicknamed As-Sajjad because of his numerous prayers. Ibn Jurmuz entered Ali's place carrying Az-Zubair's sword. He was repeating the words: "I killed Az-Zubair, I killed Az-Zubair!" When Ali heard him, he said: "Give bad tidings of the hell to the killer of son of Safiyya (Az-Zubair). He did not permit his entry to see him. (This was narrated by ibn Sa'ad through a good chain.) ======================== Taken from Islamweb Aisha vs Ali - is it true? - bent-alislam - 04-07-2004 salaam alikum: if u read aljammal war story u wil notice that neither aisha nor ali wer against eahother...actually after syedna othman killing sayeda aisha (radya allahu allayha wardaha) prepared an army and followed saydna othman's killers when sayedna ali heard about it he sent another army to stop the war but unfortunatly by mistake the two armys clashed but in the same day the war stopped and sayedna ali took mother aisha to almadinah with full safty and respect as prophete mohamad (salla allahu alyhu wasalaam) asked him to do coz he knows about it longtime be4...in this war no one was a winner coz it was lose for muslims...but no one should blame any party they r all sahabah and we should love them all but unfortunatly some people r blaming some side for wot happened at that time...i ask the forgivness for us all....assaalu allah almakhferah ley wallakum... Aisha vs Ali - is it true? - honeycomb - 04-08-2004 assalamu 'alaikum, thanks for clearing that up, Amatullah & bent-alislam. it used to bug me a bit, but now its cleared up, thank you. yes, i agree that there's no benefit when muslims fight each other. to Maey, thanks for replying anyway.