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A Question About Jesus - Mwai - 07-09-2004
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Question
Salam ...
It's some quote from one person who has said :
"...that "No man comes to the father except by me", and I do not believe that Jesus is a liar". "Jesus did make one claim that was rather revolutionary to say the least. He claimed to be the Son of God, and that "any who have seen me have seen the Father." Jesus as He claimed was more than just a prophet. He was born for the purpose of saving the world....and that includes people of all religions. His death and resurection would be a total waste outside of this context."
If anyone can Answer to refute so I may respond to that person from whom I received.
Answer 1
Bissmillah Al Rahman Al Raheem
Praise be to Allaah, we seek His help and His forgiveness. We seek refuge with Allaah from the evil of our own souls and from our bad deeds. Whomsoever Allaah guides will never be led astray, and whomsoever Allaah leaves astray, no one can guide. I bear witness that there is no god but Allaah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger.
We Muslims can not be a muslim if we are not believing in Son of Marry Eisa, he took miraculas birth without father having mother, as Adam alaihe assalam created by dust without father and mother.
Now your question IS JESUS SON OF GOD
If Jesus is the only son of God (Allah Forgive us) as all christians are quoting from Bible for the Divine sonship:
Mathew 3:17; "And lo a voice for heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased"
this is the only verse they used as a proof for divine sonship, then there should be no other verse that contradicts or give equal divine sonship to another person or persons in the Old or New Testament. However, many references were found in the Old and New Testaments that mentioned someone other than Jesus as having a divine sonship to God
Kindly open the Bible and see
Exodus 4:22
Israel is my son, even my firstborn
II Samuel 7:14
I Chronicles 22:10
... and he shall be my son (Solomon)
Jeremiah 31:9
Psalm 2:7
... and Ephraim is my firstborn
The word "Son" must not be accepted literally because God addresses many of his chosen servants as son and sons. The Jews have also claimed Ezra to be the Son of God.
The New Testament Greek words used for "son" (Pias and paida which mean servant, or son in the sense of servant)
Further the term "Father" as used by Jesus corresponds more closely to the term Rabb, i.e. one who nourishes and sustains, so that Jesus' doctine God is "Father" - Nourisher and Sustainer - of all men.
The New Testament also interprets "son of God" to be allegorical: "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God."
Romans 8:14 This allegorical suggestion is further supported with Jesus being called the only begotten Son of God (May Allah forgive us)
In Psalm 2:7, the Lord said to David
"Thou art my Son; this day have begotten thee."
Does this mean that God had two sons?
Jesus also said that God is not only his Father but also your Father see
Mathew 5:45,48 and
Luke 3:38 says
...Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the Son of God."
Who is mentioned in Hebrews 7:3 as like unto the Son of God?
It is Melchisedec, King of Salem, as mentioned in Hebrews 7:1 (Melchisedec) is more unique than Jesus or Adam. Why is he not preferred to be the Son of God? Moreover, Adam did not have a mother or father, but was the first human being created by God and in the likeness of God to exist in the Garden of Eden and on earth. Wouldn't this give more rights to Adam to be called the son of God in its truest meaning?
I would like to share with you an obvious contradiction between Jhon 3:16 Luke 10:25-28 and Matthew 19:16-17., if you read these verses then it tells us that inheritance of eternal life is for everyone who believes and sorship no other God, but the One true God.
And there is so much...
Answer 2
The Reality of Jesus, peace be upon him
Without a doubt, you have often heard the claim that Jesus is God,
the second person in the "Holy Trinity". However, the very Bible
which is used as a basis for knowledge about Jesus and as the basis
for doctrine within Christianity clearly belies this claim.
We urge you to consult your own Bible and verify that the following
conclusions are not drawn out of context:
1. God Is All Knowing.....But Jesus Was Not
When speaking of the Day of Judgement, Jesus clearly gave evidence of
a limitation on his knowledge when he said, "But of that day and hour
knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the
son, but the Father." (Mark 13:32 and Matt. 24:36) But God knows all.
His knowledge is without any limitations. That Jesus, of his own
admission, did not know when the Day of Judgement would be, is clear
proof that Jesus is not all-knowing, and that Jesus is therefore not
God.
2. God Is All-Powerful.....But Jesus Was Not
While Jesus performed many miracles, he himself admitted that the
power he had was not his own but was derived from God when he
said, "Verily, verily I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of
himself, but what he seeth the Father do..." (John 5:19). Again he
said, "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear I judge: and my
judgement is just; because I seek not mine own will but the will of
the Father which has sent me." (John 5:30) But God is not only All-
Powerful, He is also the source of all power and authority. That
Jesus, of his own admission, could do nothing on his own is clear
proof that Jesus is not all-powerful, and that therefore Jesus is not
God.
3. God Does Not Have A God.....But Jesus Did Have A God
God is the ultimate judge and refuge for all, and He does not call
upon nor pray to any others. But Jesus acknowledged that there was
One whom he worshipped and to Whom he prayed when he said, "I ascend
unto my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God." (John
20:17). He is also reported to have cried out while on the cross, "My
God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Matt. 27:46). If Jesus were
God, then couldn't this be read, "Myself, myself, why hast thou
forsaken me?". Would that not be pure nonsense? When Jesus prayed the
Lord's Prayer (Luke 11:2-4), was he praying to himself? When in the
garden of Gethsemane he prayed, "O my Father, if it be possible, let
this cup pass from me: nevertheless, not as I will but as thou wilt."
(Matt. 26:36). Was Jesus praying to himself? That Jesus, of his own
admission and by his own actions, acknowledged, worshipped, and
prayed to another being as God is clear proof that Jesus himself is
not God.
According to the Bible, God is an invisible spirit....
4. But Jesus Was Flesh And Blood
While thousands saw Jesus and heard his voice, Jesus himself said
that this could not be done with God when he said: "No man hath seen
God at any time." (John 1:18). "Ye have neither heard His voice at
any time nor seen His shape." (John 5:37) He also said in John
4:24: "God is a spirit and they that worship Him must worship Him in
spirit and in truth." That Jesus would say that no one had seen or
heard God at any time, while his followers both saw and heard him, is
clear proof that Jesus was not God.
NO ONE IS GREATER THAN GOD AND NO ONE CAN DIRECT HIM...
BUT JESUS ACKNOWLEDGED
SOMEONE GREATER THAN HIMSELF WHOSE...
5. Will Was Distinct From His Own
Perhaps the clearest indication we have that Jesus and God are not
equal, and therefore not one and the same, comes again from the mouth
of Jesus himself who said in John 14:28: "My Father is greater than
I." When someone referred to him as a good master in Luke 18:19,
Jesus responded: "Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one,
that is God..." Furthermore, Jesus drew clear distinctions between
himself and God when he said, "I proceeded forth and came from God,
neither came I of myself but He sent me." (John 8:42) Jesus gave
clear evidence of his subordination to God, rather than his equality
with God, when he said in Luke 22:42, "not my will but Thine be done"
and in John 5:30, "I seek not mine own will but the will of the
Father which has sent me." That Jesus would admit that he did not
come into the world on his own initiative but was directed to do so,
that he would acknowledge another being as greater than himself, and
that he would negate his own will in deference to affirming the will
of another, give clear proof that Jesus is not the Supreme One and
therefore Jesus is not God.
ConclusionThe Church recognises the Bible as the primary source of knowledge
about God and Jesus. But since the Bible makes it clear that Jesus is
not the Supreme Being and the Supreme Being is not Jesus, upon what
basis have you come to believe otherwise?
The belief that the Supreme Being is a Trinity is false and
completely inconsistent with the words of Jesus as presented in the
Bible. God is one, not three. He is a perfect unity.
If you are interested in the truth about God and your relationship to
Him, we invite you to investigate the religion of Islam.
What Is The Word Of God About Jesus:
A. Regarding The Sonship Of Jesus:
"Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth about
which they (vainly) dispute. It is not befitting to (the majesty of)
Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He determines
a matter He only says to it "Be" and it is."
Chapter 19, Verses 34-35
"They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" Indeed ye have
put forth a thing most monstrous! At if the skies are ready to burst
the earth to split asunder and the mountains to fall down in utter
ruin. That they should invoke a son for (Allah) Most Gracious. For it
is not consonant with the majesty of (Allah) Most Gracious that He
should beget a son. Not one of the beings in the heavens and the
earth but must come to (Allah) Most Gracious as a servant."
Chapter 19, Verses 88-93
"This similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam: He created
him from dust then said to him: "Be" and he was."
Chapter 3, Verse 59
"O people of the Book! commit no excesses in your religion: nor say
of Allah aught but truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more
than) an Apostle of Allah and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and
a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Apostles.
Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is
One Allah: glory be to him: (for Exalted is He) above having a son.
To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is
Allah as a Disposer of affairs."
Chapter 4, Verse 171
B. Regarding Jesus Being God:
"And behold! Allah will say "O Jesus the son of Mary! didst thou say
unto men `worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah"?
He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right
(to say). Had I said such a thing Thou wouldst indeed have known it.
Thou knowest what is in my heart though I know not what is in Thine.
For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden. "Never said I to them
aught except what Thou didst command me to say to wit `Worship Allah
my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt
amongst them; when Thou didst take me up thou wast the Watcher over
them and Thou art a Witness to all things." Chapter 5, Verses 116-117
C. Regarding Crucifixion Of Jesus
"That they rejected faith: that they uttered against Mary a grave
false charge. That they said (in boast) "We killed Christ Jesus the
son of Mary the Apostle of Allah"; but they killed him not nor
crucified him but so it was made to appear to them and those who
differ therein are full of doubts with no (certain) knowledge but
only conjecture to follow for of a surety they killed him not. Nay
Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power Wise.
And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him
before his death; and on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness
against them."
Chapter 4, Verses 156-159
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Jesus (Peace be upon him) was but a humble Prophet of Allah
Ibn-al-Qayyim(may Allaah have mercy on him) poetically states:
O worshippers of the Messiah, we have a question, to which we want an
answer from the one who understands it.
If a god dies because of the actions of people who kill him, what is
this god?
Is he pleased with what they did to him? Then they must be lucky for
they have earned his pleasure.
If he is displeased with what they did to him, their power has
nevertheless overwhelmed his.
Did the universe remain without a god who hears all and answers those
who call upon him?
Were the seven heavens left with no god above them when he was buried
in the ground?
Was this universe left with no god to look after it when his hands
were nailed (to the cross)?
How could this god be forsaken by all his creation when they heard
him weep?
How could this wood bear the true god who was tied to it?
How could iron come close to him and penetrate him and wound him?
How could the hands of his enemies reach him when they struck the
back of his head?
Was the Messiah brought back to life or is the one who revived him
another god?
What a strange grave it is that could contain a god. What is even
stranger is that a womb could contain him,
Where he remained for nine months, nourished from blood,
Then he emerged from the vagina as a tiny baby, opening his mouth and
seeking the breast,
Eating and drinking, with the inevitable consequences thereof. Is
that a god?
Exalted be Allaah above the fabrications of the Christians. He will
question them all about the lies they told.
O worshippers of the cross, for what reason is that thing (the cross)
venerated?
Rationally speaking, it should be broken and burned.
If god was crucified upon it by force and his hands nailed to it,
Then the thing used for that purpose should be cursed and trampled
upon, not kissed when you see it.
How can the Lord of the Worlds be humiliated on it, then you go and
worship it?
Then you are the enemies of that god, if you venerate it because the
lord of mankind has touched it.
That cross is lost but every time we see something similar it reminds
us of that cross.
Then why you do you not venerate the graves, for a grave once
contained your lord?
O worshipper of the Messiah, wake up! He has a beginning and he has
an end.
Ighaathat al-Lahfaan, 1/291