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I'd Rather Kill Myself Than Remove Veil - NaSra - 10-28-2004
<b>I'd rather kill myself than remove veil, woman tells court </b>
27.10.2004
1.00pm - By ELIZABETH BINNING
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm...section=general
A Muslim woman has told a court she would rather kill herself than give evidence without wearing a veil.
Fouzya Salim was questioned for an hour and a half today at the Auckland District Court on why she should be allowed to continue wearing the veil when she gives evidence in an insurance fraud case.
Judge Lindsay Moore has agreed to permit the veil during today's hearing before deciding whether to allow it when he hears the case.
Defence lawyer Colin Amery does not want Mrs Salim or Feraiba Razamjoo - the sister of his client - to wear veils when they give evidence against Abdul Razamjoo.
The women wear burqas whenever they are outside the home, but Mr Amery said the court could not assess the women's demeanour as they gave evidence if their faces were covered.
But Mrs Salim today told the court: "I would rather kill myself than uncover my face and sit here."
She said it would be too embarrassing to appear in public with her face uncovered. She also expressed discomfort at being in the same room as the defendant.
Her husband yesterday said that the wearing of veils was a part of Muslim culture. "It's our tradition, our religion, our culture. We have to respect and try to protect it," Mr Salim said.
His wife, who was born in Afghanistan, always wore her burqa in public. She would consider venturing out without it only in an extreme emergency.
She did not cover her face inside the home, but none of Mr Salim's male friends or extended family were allowed to see her. When visitors came, men and women sat in different rooms.
If Mr Razamjoo did see Mrs Salim's face, it would be the ultimate embarrassment for the entire Salim family, ruining their reputation and dignity.
The hearing continues.
I'd Rather Kill Myself Than Remove Veil - Anyabwile - 10-28-2004
I read some where and forgive me if i am wrong on this, but i read that there is actually no face veil in Islam, the entire face veil with just the eyes showing is Zoroastrian in origin later adopted by persians. The Quran doesnt actually enjoin women with face veils? Of course correct me if i'm wrong, just wondering.
However on another note, the woman shouldnt have to get to the point where she feels like this. Surely there's some other way they could confirm it's her before she actually steps out in front of the Jury.
I'd Rather Kill Myself Than Remove Veil - Rehmat - 10-28-2004
Quote:I read some where and forgive me if i am wrong on this, but i read that there is actually no face veil in Islam, the entire face veil with just the eyes showing is Zoroastrian in origin later adopted by persians. The Quran doesnt actually enjoin women with face veils? Of course correct me if i'm wrong, just wondering.
However on another note, the woman shouldnt have to get to the point where she feels like this. Surely there's some other way they could confirm it's her before she actually steps out in front of the Jury.
First of all, Holy Qur'an do commands 'Hijab' for the female Believers. However, its style is a 'cultural mode' and the interpretation of this command varies, for example, many scholars think that the command was for the 'wives of the Prophet (pbuh)'.
Second, Zoroastrianism originated in Persia - Therefore, it was not the Persians who 'adopted' it as if it was a foreign culture. On the other hand, the women belonging to 'upper class' among the Greek, Chinese and Roman used to wear 'Niqab' even before the Persian started.
Yes, I agree no Muslimah should go to such extreme, but then as taxpayer, doesn't she has the right to be provided by a female 'court official' by the US Department of Justice?
I'd Rather Kill Myself Than Remove Veil - SisterJennifer - 10-28-2004
"And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer palms of hands or one eye or dress like veil, gloves, head-cover, apron, etc.), and to draw their veils all over Juyûbihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband’s fathers, or their sons, or their husband’s sons, or their brothers or their brother’s sons, or their sister’s sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islâm), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of feminine sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allâh to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful."
Surah an-Nur
I'd Rather Kill Myself Than Remove Veil - Muslimah - 10-28-2004
Bismillah
as salam alykom
I can just comment on her saying rather kill myself, we are not to even wish that because what we say is recorded in our records, we are not to say that lest we should the sin of suisding. In such cases I think if she is compelled she will not be held accountable before Allah. Regarding what is fard. Fard for Muslim women is to cover up abiding by the command invested in the Ayah posted by Jennifer. As for the Hijab of not seeing men or men to see us, it was restricted to the wives of the Messenger (PAPBUH). But we must abide by the Muslim dress code for women to cover up all except face and hands. Covering the face is a plus. Personally I highly respect the woman who does so and see her so much fearing Allah.
I'd Rather Kill Myself Than Remove Veil - Deen - 10-29-2004
I agree with Sis Muslimah.
As far as I know, the covering of the face was only fard upon Rasool's wives. It is mubah (permissable) for women to wear it.
I'd Rather Kill Myself Than Remove Veil - Peaceful~Gyal - 11-06-2004
Mashallah
This woman has so much courage
shell get killed but will not remove her veil
ALLAHU AKBAR
ALLAHU AKBAR
ALLAHU AKBAR