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Views on Yasmin case - AbuMubarak - 05-18-2005
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Views on Yasmin case - Muslimah - 05-18-2005
Bismillah
Try this Insh a Allah it works
http://smh.com.au/news/National/School-bac...l?oneclick=true
If not it is about a Muslim girl in Australia who encountered school problems for wanting to wear a Jilbab which is violating schools uniform
Brothers and sisters, let us really try and put effort I believe collective effort Insh a Allah when they are sincere will bear fruit
Views on Yasmin case - prayer2one - 05-18-2005
salam waalaykum sister,
i strongly agree with your thoughts !! Inshallah our goal will be achieved!
the wealthy in our communities should make it their priority to establish Isamic Facilities.
sister i think the situation in Australia you referred to is actually about the student, Yasamin Altahhir.
As i am employed at this school please let me inform u correctly of the situation
The student was actually fighting to wear an islamic (iraqi) robe to school. the hijab was never the issue as 85% of the students at the school are muslimahs.
3 of whom do wear the jilbab.
the issue was the Principal attempting to make the students dress only within the options available to them, in order to have the girls looking uniform. this includes a uniform for the girls in hijab.
a scarf, long loose skirt, long sleeve loose shirt, hip length blazer.
unfortunately the girl refused to comply with this, despite her imam, whose daughter also attends the school, telling her the existing uniform is sufficient.
She has won her right to wear her robe on religious grounds, when really it was a personal preference and refusal to listen to anyone elses argument.
she has created no good through her actions. the amount of hate mail the school has recieved and abusive phone calls has been overwhelming.
people who already hate muslims feel now more than ever they have a reason to vent their anger. it has turned into "muslims are trying to take over our country"
and "let's do the same as France to stop them"
as long as we are in a non muslim country we should always be careful in choosing the battles we fight. More than any other religion we should practice patience towards others.
but for now we can only wait & pray that the rednecks of this country stop their insults on islam and its people soon. inshallah
Views on Yasmin case - Muslimah - 05-18-2005
Bismillah
as salam alykom prayer2One
first off welcome to the board as I dont recall welcoming u before
Second jazakum Allah khairan katheeran for this informative post.
Matter of fact, when I was triggered with this project it was not the fruit of this case per se. But rather a fruit of a long observation.
Let me tell u in brief.
The state of the Ummah is the product of lack of knowledge, proper knowledge, state of the Ummah includes wrong direction when fighting. I mean violating Allah's rules in regard to fighting and that is just one aspect which is a major one.
second, we all cry and screem and seek rescue due to our unjust leaders who rule by other than what Allah Commanded. The reason is our deeds. If we are good Muslims Allah Shall never assign on us unjust rulers, again why? lack of proper knowledge about this amazaing way of life Islam. Well your post just confirmed how i feel. What is the reason of her attitude? lack of knowledge.
Well then if we want to build a good Ummah we must start at the grass root leverl. children be armed, equipped, and provided with good knowledge. Specially in non Muslim countries. Who must do this? rich Muslims not USAID missions or Eurpean Union projects.
Hope I conveyed my message
Views on Yasmin case - NaSra - 05-18-2005
Asalamalaikum
Students get detention for wearing the wrong unfirom all the time. However, if she got EXPELLED or SUSPENDED from school for her dress then I'd have a prolem. However, she got only one detention. 3 years ago I got a detention because I came to school with a purple hijab.
Our uniform was white shirt and green skirt. Anyway, my point is, while we were allowed to wear hijab, we had restrictions. The restriction on the colours was to ensure that we were identifiable as students of that particular highschool, and to create 'uniformity' in the school.
I don't know why we have to stir up so much unnecessary tension. [img]style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif[/img]
Sometimes I can't help but wonder if Muslim's enjoy adopting the victim mentality, even if there's no reason for it.
Islam prescribes a modest dress-code for both boys and girls. Yasamin's highschool provides a variety of clothing material that would allow the Muslim girls to adhere to the Islamic modest dress, while still identifying the highschool at which they attend.
She is being disciplined for wearing a cloak which inevitably will disguise her student identity from that school. Wearing a mantoo is not actually a requirment by islam but a choice, and she could get the same effect by wearing the school uniform in one extra size bigger.
This is not an ISLAMIC issue. It is about the girl wanting to dress the way she wants.
Masha'Allah you all should see what a great HS she goes to and how the Muslim Sisters are covered while respecting the schools policies and still practise their islam.
Views on Yasmin case - Dan - 05-19-2005
Bismillah
As Salam alaikum
The concept of affordable Islamic schools in nonmuslim countries is a wonderful idea. An idea that at least in St. Louis and Columbia, Missouri has been attempted many times at many different angles. It saddens me when such a beautiful idea dies because of selfishness and nationalism. Looking into history, we can see that lack of knowledge was not the first infection to disease our ummah, rather it is the most horrible jahilee concept of nationalism over Islam. The prophet tried to eliminate this but upon his death it rose its ugly face again.
Most muslims today are not proud to be muslims, rather they are proud to be a Pakistani, a Saudi, an Algerian, a Somali, or a Bosnian who happens to be a muslim. The muslims who live in nonmuslim countries know exactly what I am talking about. A chinatown type of Islamatown would do wonders in these nonmuslim countries. Unfortunately, we have instead Saudi masjids, Desi masjids, Bosnian masjids, etc... It saddens me to such a great extent that I find it so difficult to put into words.
A story: An Islamic school wanted to expand its buildings in order to not only better serve the children but to allow for more students to attend. Fundraisers were held and pledges were made. Construction was begun with the understanding that muslims do not break their word. Are muslims supposed to give charity with stipulations? Well that is what happened. As the project approached its halfway mark, pledges were not being honored. Why? Becaue a group in the community wanted to use the new auditorium whenever they wanted for whatever they wanted. They wanted to be able to hold festivals, comedians, and dances. The Imam declared that such actions could not happen at a masjid and Islamic school! "Well, then come up with the money yourself," was the reply to the Imam who sole goal was to improve the iman of the community. At one jumah prayer, the khateeb was literally BEGGING the community to uphold promises and pledges that THEY voluntarily made. (I have harsher words in my head but Allah would most likely prefer me to refrain.) He stated that if pledges were not honored that the entire project would have to be scrapped and what was already built would have to be torn down.
I am not sure how the rest of the communties are but in the ones in which I have lived, the rich muslims do not want much from their Islam except the neat little cultural parts like some X-tians and X-mas. Muslims who have little money would love do help but are too poor to even send their children to a private muslim school let alone help build one. (I understand that this is a generalization and personally I have seen many exceptions but not enough to effect change.) Rich muslims may be able to get schools off on the right foot but if a community is unwilling or unable to take over the financial burdens once the donors or their moneys are gone, the schools will inevitably fail.
This young woman's plight to wear her own cultural dress rather than being pleased with the fact that she is blessed to be able to go to school where she can dress Islamically is a perfect illustration of our problem. When asked the question, "who are you?" Do we first answer "muslim" or do we lead off with our nationality or our occupation or that we are parents (eg father of three)?
I must also echo my sister's comment of:
"Sometimes I can't help but wonder if Muslim's enjoy adopting the victim mentality, even if there's no reason for it."
Our generations of muslims now have never seen Islam in its true power. We are used to being victims because we have been told that is all we are. Now we believe it. Is the jump then that if we cannot be powerful as muslims then we should try to be powerful Iraqis, Pakis, Indians, Malaysians, Morracans? Is this why muslims are pointing weapons at each other?
The implementation of these plans would be wonderful. Insha'Allah we need to purify our intentions and rely upon the only One who should be relied upon. Of course, I am stating something pretty obvious, especially on an Islamic forum, but do we truly act according to our beliefs?
I pray and hope that others pray for me to lose my cynisism. I pray that I do what I can to further the Ummah. I pray that nationalism will be dissolved and devoured by pure Islam eminating from our hearts. Allah Forgive me.
As Salam alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu
Views on Yasmin case - radiyah - 05-20-2005
Bismillah
This is a very important topic sister Muslimah, and insha'Allah we will all be sincere in helping and brothers Dan & Naseeha masha'Allah said enough we cannot say more. Only I would like to add that here in Kuwait they already started such a project they are establishing bilingual islamic schools, and they dont care what your nationality is they start with the child from scratch up to high school, at the first 3 or 4 years girls and boys study together in one class then they seperate them after , their staff are very highly educated, some of them are even american muslims and they pay good wages, except that they give the child an IQ test, if he failed they will not take him even if u pay more money, they do not care, their goal is to produce a very highly educated muslim generation that can build a better islamic society, and to be able to create a more relegious generation who is proud to be a muslim and not being proud of their nationalitis as brother Dan said. I can ask them about their experiance and how they started if this will help to give this project a start. [img]style_emoticons/default/smile.gif[/img]
I don't remember welcoming u either prayer2one, welcome to the board.
Salam
Views on Yasmin case - Muslimah - 05-25-2005
Bismillah
as salam alykom
As now Alhamdulelah we already created a private room for the poject that can be accessed by only those who are interested to take part. I saw to split the thread and put the posts here since actually my brothers and sisters made an effective contribution on the case specially addressing the importance for us to differentiate between what is Islamic and what is customs.
Views on Yasmin case - NaSra - 05-29-2005
Asalamalaikum
Although its sad the truth is that Muslim girls are getting it worse in Muslim countries. Not to mention the Brothers.
Alhamdulilah there is more religious freedom here NZ & Ausie then in most muslim countries!
I just don't understand what the fuss is all about. The school categorically accommodates appropriate Islamic dress based upon the obligatory objectives, and does not get involved in "CULTURAL" choices.
Wearing a "mantoo" is not obligatory in Islam. So please do not make it out to be. If it is one's cultural practice, then keep it at that - but do not risk the reputation, and more importantly the SAFETY of your fellow Muslims, just because you want to wear your own cultural outfit.
I have conversed with many Muslim Sisters who attend Sydney's Auburn Girls High and I happen to have a cousin there. This was all completely unnecessary.
May Allah snap us out of this victim mentality, ameen
Views on Yasmin case - NaSra - 05-29-2005
Bismilah
Ameen to the duas.
May Allah erase in our hearts the pride for our cultures and nationalities. It's really saddening.
I can see it in our mosque so much.
Insha'Allah this is not to finger point at anybody but to just say that nationalism is really apparent in our mosque here. and its spreading disease full of poison.
The Arabs sit with the Arabs, Afghani sit with their afghanis etc, ever1 sits with their own kind.
The Most muslims that I see mix and talk and be close to all muslims, whether from ghana, or china, are only reverts 2 Islam.
So insha'Allah this is a little challenge/endeavour from me, please do it ok? [img]style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif[/img] The next time you go to your mosque after you give everyone their Salam go to the person who looks the most different to you and sit with them and ask them how they are doing. Yes even if they sit miles away, stand up and sit next to them. Try.
I have this habit, whenever I see a hijabed woman I always smile and I say Salam. One timeI was in town and I came across a muslim woman. I said Asalamalaikum 2 her and she responded with this " wa alaika" Thats what you say to a kafir when he says asalamalaikum. I felt so shocked and I honestly came into tears believe it or not. Another Sister saw me and she said to me subhanaAllah don't worry The angels return the salam that isn't returned.
I have come across that woman again somewhere else, and do you know what I did? Maybe this is considered devilish behaviour but I call it observing. When we came across each other again I didn't say Salam. I thought to myself give the sister the benefit of the doubt and see if she will give me Salam this time, let me give her the chance to actually see me and offer the salam, maybe she didn't hear me since I speak very quietly when I talk. She just passed me by. She looked at me and she just passed me by. [img]style_emoticons/default/sad.gif[/img]
That type of behaviour disencourages me sometimes to say Salam. I'm glad it doesn't happen too often. [img]style_emoticons/default/smile.gif[/img] but it surely is a painful experience.
May Allah Give us good Adaab (manners), ameen.