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323 Years Ago... September 12, 1683 - reepicheep - 09-19-2006
The Battle of Vienna
The Ottoman Turks had Vienna under siege for a couple of
months in 1683, and although the Austrians and Germans put
up a good fight, on Sept 12 the Turks made several major
breaches in the city walls. But later that day, an army
arrived from Poland, and with the support of the Germans
and Austrians the Turks were soundly defeated. That battle
ended any hope the Muslims had for conquering Europe. I
think we all owe a lot to that Polish army.
One website I found about the battle ended as follows:
> The Turks never recovered from the battle. While the
> Ottoman Empire survived for another two hundred plus
> years, from here on out it was merely a holding action.
> For Poland, this was her last great moment on center
> stage until the Battle of Warsaw in 1920 when once again
> she saved Europe from the East.
After reading that last sentence, I had to do some more
research and find out about the Battle of Warsaw. It turns
out that after the communists took over Russia, they
started moving into Eastern Europe. Poland alone decided
to try to stop the Russians (even England and France
refused to help). Heavily outnumbered, the Poles suffered
several major defeats until Russia was on the verge of
capturing Warsaw. The Polish army, with their backs to the
wall, launched a "do or die" counter attack, and once
again soundly defeated the invading army. This was an all
out effort by the Polish people. To again quote from a
website:
> Officers of the 21st Polish Infantry Division witnessed
> peasants armed with pitchforks accompanied by their
> wives carrying flails assisting soldiers in the bayonet
> charge on the enemy positions...
I don't think the Poles have received the recognition they
deserve. They saved Europe from being invaded by Muslims,
and a few hundred years later they beat back the Russians
and postponed the communist takeover of Eastern Europe by
25 years. And of course Poland also sent troops to Iraq
during the latest Gulf War. I think that Poland is going
to turn out to be one of the USA's most important allies
during the next few decades.
323 Years Ago... September 12, 1683 - AlShamms - 09-19-2006
Peace....
Reepi, wouldn't happen to be of polish decent would you?
Shamms
323 Years Ago... September 12, 1683 - Steve Consilvio - 09-19-2006
We owe nothing to those who kill. They serve neither God nor Country, but rather spread bloodshed and evil. I am a businessman, I spread greed and pride. And those who claim to speak for God often spread fear and anger.
We are all sinners. It is a condition impossible to avoid.
All glory and honor belongs to God alone.
You are suggesting that there is virtue in sins, but there isn't, nor will there ever be.
323 Years Ago... September 12, 1683 - reepicheep - 09-19-2006
AlShamms wrote:
> Reepi, wouldn't happen to be of polish decent would you?
No, I'm of German ancestry. But the more I read of Polish history, the greater my admiration of the Polish people.
Steve Consilvio:
> You are suggesting that there is virtue in sins, but there isn't, nor will there ever be.
Your statement is too simplistic. Consider, for example, the following:
The Germans killed millions of innocent people during World War Two. Canadian soldiers, as well as soldiers from numerous other countries, fought and died to end the acts of evil the German people were committing. Are you saying that Canada and her allies were not justified in going to war to stop Nazi Germany?
Or, as it says in the bible:
Quote:For everything its season, and for every activity under heaven its time:
a time to be born and a time to die;
a time to plant and a time to uproot;
a time to kill and a time to heal;
a time to break down and a time to build up;
a time to weep and a time to laugh;
a time for mourning and a time for dancing;
a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them;
a time to embrace and a time to abstain from embracing;
a time to seek and a time to lose;
a time to keep and a time to discard;
a time to tear and a time to mend;
a time for silence and a time for speech;
a time to love and a time to hate;
<b>a time for war and a time for peace.</b>
Ecclesiastes 3: 1 - 8 (Revised English Bible)
323 Years Ago... September 12, 1683 - Steve Consilvio - 09-19-2006
Sinners reap what they sow, that is why there is a time OF peace and a tine OF war.
It is a description, not an instruction.
323 Years Ago... September 12, 1683 - reepicheep - 09-19-2006
Steve Consilvio wrote:
> Sinners reap what they sow, that is why there is a time OF peace and a tine OF war.
> It is a description, not an instruction.
To repeat my question, which you failed to answer: are you saying that Canada and Her allies were not justified in going to war to stop Nazi Germany?
323 Years Ago... September 12, 1683 - Steve Consilvio - 09-20-2006
Quote:Steve Consilvio wrote:
> Sinners reap what they sow, that is why there is a time OF peace and a tine OF war.
> It is a description, not an instruction.
To repeat my question, which you failed to answer: are you saying that Canada and Her allies were not justified in going to war to stop Nazi Germany?
No war is justified.
You think that by sending soldiers you can stop killing? It is soldiers that are doing all the killing!
Hitler didn't "exist," he was created by the gradual accumulation of errors. (Kinda like Bush, who talks about peace and security as he invades other countries.) Bush and Hitler are just following in the footsteps of their fathers, who similarly reek with nationalistic pride and the adoration of violence.
Look at the United Nations for example. It no longer tries to create peace. It is an instrument of war planning. It has given up on its mission and has been corrupted by the war culture that covers the world like an intellectual plague.
Hitler would have imploded the same as Russia and China and all these other countries that base themselves on conquest of their own citizenry. Nobody can rule over a ruthless people. ...and the righteous have nothing to fear in death.