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Lord comes in Human form to preach and uplift the human souls - dattaswami - 09-23-2006
<b>Lord comes in Human form to preach and uplift the human souls</b>
The Lord is giving experience to us in every walk of life about His existence. But, such experiences become weak in course of time due to the petty minds of the human beings. The human mind always takes logic and interprets such experiences as mere accidental situations. Therefore the faith of the theists is not strong. The human preachers are unable to answer the doubts of these human beings and this further weakens the faith. Therefore, the Lord comes down in the form of a human being as the divine preacher.
Thus, there is a bare neccesity for such incarnation. Veda says<b> ‘Yat Saakshat Aparokshat Brahma’,</b>
which means that Brahman comes down before the eyes of the human beings. Gita also says <b>‘Maanusheem Tanumaasritam’ </b>
which means that Brahman comes down as a human being. But the human body follows the rules of the nature and is not different from any other human body. The shirt of a king is not different from any other shirt. It can be cut with the help of a blade like any other shirt. The speciality is in the king but not in the shirt. If the Lord wishes, He could take the human body, which has neither birth nor death. It can be a divine body, which appears before all the human beings at different places and preaches, in different languages in the sametime. But, such creation of divine body means that the Lord is going beyond the rules of the nature, which are created by the Lord only. The Lord has such divine power, which can go beyond this nature.
Such divine power is called ‘Maya’ and the Lord who is the possessor of such Maya is called ‘Mayee’ as said in Gita “Mayinam tu Maheswaram”. But no sensible administrator will break his own rules when a work is possible within the set up of the administration. There is no need of doing that work by breaking the adminstration. The Lord can achieve the same result by taking several human bodies at a time and from generation to generation. In such way, the administration is not interferred. Therefore, the Lord comes in several human incarnations at a time in each generation and the Viswarupa represents this. In Gita, the prayer on the Viswarupa mentions about several feet, faces and also several stomaches (Aneka Baahoodara Vaktra Netram). Therefore, the present picture of Viswarupa is wrong.
It means only the photo of a group of preachers existing at the same time. The word “Udara” (stomach) is not justified in the present picture of ‘Viswarupam’, which is again another mis-perception leading to misinterpretation.
Therefore, it is very very clear that Datta means only the human incarnation that came down to preach the true divine knowledge. But, due to natural egoism and jealousy the human beings do not recognize the Lord in the form of a human being. Only very few believed Krishna as Lord. Only very few believed Shirdi Sai Baba as God. When Sai was alive there were few devotees only and no body thought of a temple for Him. Even Butee wanted to build a temple for Krishna only who was a past incarnation. Now there are millions of devotees and lakhs of temples for Sai baba because He is no more a present incarnation. He who wins over the three types of egoism caused by the three qualities (Trigunas) is called as ‘Atri’. He who conquerred jealousy (Asuya) is ‘Anasuya’. Such a devotee only can capture the human incarnation. This is the sense of the statement that Atri and Anasuya attained Datta.
At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami
Anil Antony
www.universal-spirituality.org
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
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Lord comes in Human form to preach and uplift the human souls - lifutushi - 09-23-2006
KRISHNA???
"In the first month of winter, the gopis of Nanda's village performed a certain vow to the goddess Katyayani (Durga). They ate rice cooked with ghee; they bathed in the water of the Kalindi (Yamuna) River at sunrise; they made an image of the goddess out of sand and worshipped it with fragrant perfumes and garlands, with offerings and incense and lamps, and with bouquets of flowers, fresh sprigs of leaves, fruits, and rice. And they prayed: 'Goddess Katyayani (Durga), great mistress of yoga, empress of great deluding magic, make the son of the cow-herd Nanda my husband. I bow to you.' Saying this prayer, the girls would worship her, and having set their hearts on Krishna
, the girls performed this vow for a month; they worshipped Bhadrakali (Durga) so that the son of Nanda (Krishna
) would be their husband. Arising at dawn, calling one another by name, they would join hands and go to bathe in the Kalindi (Yamuna) every day, singing loudly about Krishna
as they went. One day, when they had gone to the river and taken off their clothes on the bank as usual, they were playing joyfully in the water, singing about Krishna
. The Lord Krishna
, lord of all the masters of yoga, came there with his friends of the same age in order to grant them the object of their rites. He took their clothes and quickly climbed a Nipa tree, and laughing with the laughing boys he told what the joke was: 'Girls, let each one of you come here and take her own clothes as she wishes. I promise you, this is no jest, for you have been exhausted by your vows. I have never before told an untruth, and these boys know this. Slender-waisted ones, come one by one or all together and take your clothes.' When the gopis saw what his game was, they were overwhelmed with love, but they looked at one another in shame, and they smiled, but they did not come out. Flustered and embarrassed by Govinda's (Krishna
's) words and by his jest, they sank down up to their necks in the icy water, and, shivering, they said to him, 'You should not have played such a wicked trick. We know you as our beloved, son of the cow-herd Nanda, the pride of the village. Give us our clothes, for we are trembling. O darkly handsome one, we are your slaves and will do as you command, but you know dharma: give us our clothes or we will tell your father, the chieftain.' The lord said to them, 'If you are my slaves and will do as I command, then come here and take back your clothes, O brightly smiling ones.' Then all the girls, shivering and smarting with cold, came out of the water, covering their crotches with their hands. The lord was pleased and gratified by their chaste actions, and he looked at them and placed their clothes on his shoulder and smiled and said, 'Since you swam in the water without clothes while you were under a vow, this was an insult to the divinity (to Varuna, God of the waters). Therefore you must fold your hands and place them on your heads and bow low in expiation of your sin, and then you may take your clothes.' When the village girls (gopis) heard what the infallible one said, they thought that bathing naked had been a violation of their vows, and they bowed down to Krishna
, the very embodiment of all their rituals, who had thus fulfilled their desires and wiped out their disgrace and sin. Then the lord, the son of Devaki, gave their clothes to them, for he felt pity when he saw them bowed down in this way and he was satisfied with them. Though they were greatly deceived and robbed of their modesty, though they were mocked and treated like toys and stripped of their clothes, yet they held no grudge against him, for they were happy to be together with their beloved. Rejoicing in the closeness of their lover, they put on their clothes; their bashful glances, in the thrall of their hearts, did not move from him. Knowing that the girls had taken a vow because they desired to touch his feet, the lord with a rope around his waist said to the girls, 'Good ladies, I know that your desire is to worship me. I rejoice in this vow, which deserves to be fulfilled. The desire of those whose hearts have been placed in me does not give rise to further desire, just as seed corn that has been boiled or fried does not give rise to seed. You have achieved your aim. Now, girls, go back to the village and you will enjoy your nights with me, for it was for this that you fine ladies undertook your vow and worship.' When the gopis heard this from Krishna
, they had obtained what they desired; and, meditating upon his lotus feet, they forced themselves to go away from him to the village." --<b>Srimad Bhagavatam 10:22:1-28. Compare: Brahmavaivarta Purana 1:27; Brhaddharma Purana 3:17.
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Lord Krishna
is commemorated during Janmastami and many other festivals such as Holi. Yadus (Yadavas): A race/tribe of kings that Lord Krishna
incarnated into (as an Avatar) to save the earth; Yadus/Yadavas are descendants of Yadu, who was King Yayati's son. Krishna was Yadu's son. Cow-herd-raja Nanda was Krishna's foster-father.
"Krishna
became a householder (head of a household) in Dvaraka and married many wives, and had many sons and grandsons. In the race of the Yadus, no one was poor; everyone had many children, lived a long life, and respected Brahmins. But they were so numerous that one could not count them even in a hundred years. The terrible demons who had been slain in the battle of the gods and demons were born among men, and so at the command of Visnu the gods became incarnate in the race of Yadus to repress the demons.... When Krishna
had killed the demons, and thus relieved the burden of the earth, he thought, 'The earth is still overburdened by the unbearably burdensome race of the Yadus. No one else can overcome them, since they are under my protection.' ... Deluded by Krishna
's power of delusion, and cursed by the Brahmins, they were all destroyed, and when his entire family had been destroyed, Krishna
said, 'The burden has been removed.' " -- <b>Srimad Bhagavatam 10:90:27-44; 11:1:1-4; 11:30:1-25.
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The need to exterminate the Yadus precisely because they are born of Krishna
's seed is made explicit in the Linga Purana:
"One of Krishna
's wives asked Krishna
to give her a son equal to the lord of the gods. Krishna performed asceticism for Siva, who granted him a son, Samba. Krishna
took sixteen thousand maidens for his pleasure, and then, under the pretext of the Brahmins' curse, he destroyed his own family and lived in Prabhasa. After living for a hundred and one years in Dvaraka, where he had removed the sorrow of old age, he made the curse of the sages come true." -- Linga Purana 1:69:71, 82-84
.
There is a common misconception among some Hindus that Lord Krishna
had only one consort/wife, Radha, and these 16,000 gopis were just spiritual followers of this God. That is totally false. In fact, Lord Krishna
got so many gopis & wives pregnant that he populated much of the earth with Yadus (Yadavas) and had to annihilate them later.
Lord comes in Human form to preach and uplift the human souls - dattaswami - 09-23-2006
Quote:KRISHNA???
"In the first month of winter, the gopis of Nanda's village performed a certain vow to the goddess Katyayani (Durga). They ate rice cooked with ghee; they bathed in the water of..........followers of this God. That is totally false. In fact, Lord Krishna
got so many gopis & wives pregnant that he populated much of the earth with Yadus (Yadavas) and had to annihilate them later.
Thank you for the reply;
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Krishna stole butter and danced with Gopikas. Is it a black scar on HIM?
First we must understand that the real aim in following Dharma (justice) is to please the Lord only. The Lord is protector and Dharma is protected. Protector is greater than protected. Among the other souls you have to reject the injustice and vote for the justice. But when the Lord competes with the justice, you have to vote for the Lord. In Pravrutti justice and injustice compete and you have to vote for the justice.
But in Nivrutti the Lord competes with the justice and you have to vote for the Lord. In fact, you don’t have patience to understand what the Lord does and blame Him. There are certain subtle aspects of Dharma (Dharma sukshma), which look like injustice. Only deep analysis one can understand the Dharma sukshma.
The butter indicates the extra stored money. You are expected to take the money from this world, which is required for your minimum needs. This entire world is the money of the Lord. But you are earning extra and storing for your future generations due to greediness. You must donate that extra money to the Lord who is in the human form and He will distribute that to His devotees for their upliftment.
If you are not doing this, the Lord will steal your money, which is actually His own money. Butter is the fruit of their work, which is the money. Similarly He danced with Gopikas who were sages. They prayed Him (Rama) in their previous birth for the same. He is fulfilling the boon given by Him to His devotees.
Lord comes in Human form to preach and uplift the human souls - WITNESS THE REAL - 09-24-2006
Quote:Thank you for the reply;
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Krishna stole butter and danced with Gopikas. Is it a black scar on HIM?
First we must understand that the real aim in following Dharma (justice) is to please the Lord only. The Lord is protector and Dharma is protected. Protector is greater than protected. Among the other souls you have to reject the injustice and vote for the justice. But when the Lord competes with the justice, you have to vote for the Lord. In Pravrutti justice and injustice compete and you have to vote for the justice.
But in Nivrutti the Lord competes with the justice and you have to vote for the Lord. In fact, you don’t have patience to understand what the Lord does and blame Him. There are certain subtle aspects of Dharma (Dharma sukshma), which look like injustice. Only deep analysis one can understand the Dharma sukshma.
The butter indicates the extra stored money. You are expected to take the money from this world, which is required for your minimum needs. This entire world is the money of the Lord. But you are earning extra and storing for your future generations due to greediness. You must donate that extra money to the Lord who is in the human form and He will distribute that to His devotees for their upliftment.
If you are not doing this, the Lord will steal your money, which is actually His own money. Butter is the fruit of their work, which is the money. Similarly He danced with Gopikas who were sages. They prayed Him (Rama) in their previous birth for the same. He is fulfilling the boon given by Him to His devotees.
You cannot assist a Muslim from a Hindu viewpoint because the Hindu viewpoint is Spiritually immature in comparison. Although those divine revelations of old are from God they are from stages of perfection that have sinced past. actually it is the Muslim that should be posting on the Hindu forums so that they may escape the endless demigods and find The One and Only God Almighty.
Lord comes in Human form to preach and uplift the human souls - lifutushi - 09-24-2006
if the Lord came into human form to uplift human soul, why did Lord keep on doing foul things on earth?
RAMA:
1) Rama being fooled by Sukreivan's disguise.
how can a "God" beng fooled by a devil? if a "God" can be fooled, then what's wrong if a mere mortal human being fooled worse? then what is a concept of sin then? shouldn't every human being granted the best karma since they did just what the "God" did, that is being fooled by a devil?
2) Ravan took 1 day to take Sita to Sri Lanka, but i took 12 years for Rama to get there, with the help of Hanuman. how can 2 "Gods" were so inferior compared to a devil? even a human can take much less time to travel from India to Sri Lanka, is "Gods" less powerful than human? If Hanuman could fly carrying big mountains, he should have in the first instance carried and flown god Rama to Sri Lanka, which would have resulted in early rescue of Sita. Who knows what Ravan might have done to Sita during this period of twelve years? Definitely a devil would have done only "devilish" things! Before helping god Rama, Hanuman made Rama shoot his own twin brother in the back and only then did Hanuman help god Rama How can a "god" indulge in such a criminal act for personal gain?
3) Rama eats BEEF!!!
When God Rama was told to go to forest, he mournfully revealed to is mother: "if has been ordained that I have to lose the kingdom, forego the princely comforts and the tasty, MEAT DISHES. (Ayodha Kandam, 20, 26, 94th Chapters).
4) Rama had soooo many wives for sex pleasure!!!
Mr. C.R. Sreenivasa lyengar's translation of Valmiki Ramayana says: " Though Rama had married Sita to be the queen, he married many other wives for sexual pleasure in accordance with the royal customs. (Ayodha Kandam 8th Chapter, page 28).
5) Rama’s Disrespect for his Father
Rama called his father " A FOOL, AN IDIOT" (Ayodhya Kandam, 53rd Chapter).
6) Rama's Contempt for Women and Low Castes
Rama disfigured and mutilated many women by cutting off her noses, breasts, ears etc., and tortured them (Soorpanaki, Ayomuki).
Rama said, "Women should not be trusted" and that "Secrets should not be confided to the wife" (Ayodhya kandam, Chapter 100).
Sambuka was slain (by Rama) because he was making penance which was forbidden to him by Vedas as he was a "Shudra" (Uttara kanadam, Chapter 76).
Looking at is hand Rama said the Sanskirt slogan "O right hand, you kill this Asche Shudra unhesitatingly as killing this Shudra is the only way to get back the life of the deceased Brahmin boy."
7) Rama’s Death
Rama , like an ordinary man, fell down into the river and was DROWNED. (Uttara Kandam, Chapter 106). How can a "god die? Who will then look after the affairs of the world?
there are lots more things in my mind, but i decided to keep them untold. why? because i was surprised when i first read Ramayan.. IT'S FULL OF PORNOGRAPHY!!!
look at the story of the birth of Rama, for example...
KRISHNA:
i talked about Krishna in previous post. if you actually read it you can see how foul Krishna is..
SHIVA, GANESH, PARVATHI:
According to Hinduism, god Shiva's head is the source of the river Ganges and his head is also the place where the moon is located. so Neil Armstrong actually went to India(?)...
According to Puranas, goddess Parvathi, wife of God Shiva, sought Shivas's permission to have a baby When Shiva refused, Paravathi took dirt from her body and created Lord Ganesh. (The late E.V.R. Preiyar used to call this god a "bundle fo dirt").
Later God Shiva mistakenly chopped off his own son's head. How could a god make such a foolish mistake? Would such a god solve your problems or make them more complicated?
To rectify his error God Shiva severed the head of baby elephant and transplanted in onto his son who then become known as the Elephant headed god. His statues are usually found near river-sides where he is said to be looking for a bride resembling his mother! (There is a different version to this story which, for decency's sake, i left out).
KALI:
A recent report by the press trust of India stated that during the past three years more than 2,500 young boys and girls were sacrificed to goddess kali in India An AFP's recent reports say: Hundreds of young boys and virgin girls are sacrificed every month for the deity Kali. In one case Rama Sewak hacked his eight year old son to death in broad daylight in Delhi becuase Godess Kali had told him he woudl come back to life and bring him good fortune. Bloot-thirsy kali is worshipped opnely in te length and breadth of India.
Kali's statue stands naked aside the inanimate body of the Hindu deity Siva, tongue stuck out with blood dripping from fang-like teeth. She holds a noose, a skull-topped staff, a blood-encrusted sword and a severed head. She is also known as Durga, Devi, Shaktima, Uma and Parvathi in manifestations.
LINGAM & YOUNI:
i think Hinduism is the only religion in the world that worship such a thing. Lingam (male sexual organ) and Youni (female sexual organ)... i cannot comment anymore...
more on hinduism..............
DEVADASI system:
i could never find any reason to justify that young girls sent to temple to become prostitutes for Brahmins and considered and spiritual things. prostitution is prostitution, whether it's Avarna or Brahmin.
HINDUISM and CASTE:
hindu's caste system exhibit the most unfair system in the world.
"By his very birth a Brahmin is a deity even for the gods and the only authority for people in this world, for the Veda is the foundation in this matter." -- Manusmrti 11:85.
"People here whose behaviour is pleasant can expect to enter a pleasant womb, like that of a woman of the Brahmin, the Ksatriya, or the Vaisya caste. But people of foul behaviour can expect to enter the foul womb, like that of a dog, a pig, or an outcaste woman." -- Chandogya Upanisad 5:10:7.
"If a man of one birth (Sudra) hurls cruel words at one of the twice-born, his tongue should be cut out, for he was born from the rear-end. If he mentions their name or caste maliciously, a red-hot iron nail ten-fingerslong should be thrust into his mouth. If he is so proud as to instruct priests about their duty, the king should have hot oil poured into his mouth and ears." -- Manusmrti 8:270-272.
"If a man of inferior caste tries to sit down on the same seat as a man of superior caste, he should be branded on the hip and banished, or have his buttocks cut off." -- Manusmrti 8:281.
"If in the process of negotiating betrothal there are first ten suitors of the non-Brahmana varna for a woman (the marriageable girl), all of them lose their claims of marriage and, only the Brahmin, the learned one, if he grasps her hand would be her husband and only he. Not even the man of Ksatriya varna and not even the man of Vaisya varna but only the Brahmin is the husband of the bride in such cases of claimants of betrothal, and the sun, as it appears, revealing this fact to the people of five classes (4 varnas and the fifth avarna) rises up." -- Atharva Veda 5:17:8-9.
"If someone born in a Ksatriya, Vaisya, or Sudra womb should be unable to pay his fine, he may absolve himself of the debt by labour; a Brahmin should pay little by little. The king should have women, children, madmen, and the old, the poor, and the ill chastised with a whip, a bamboo cane, a rope, and so forth." -- Manusmrti 9:229-230.
"The Sudra's duty and supreme good is nothing but obedience to famous Brahmin householders who know the Veda. If he is unpolluted, obedient to his superiors, gentle in his speech, without a sense of 'I', and always dependent on the Brahmins and the other (twice-born castes), he attains a superior birth (in the next life)." -- Manusmrti 9:334-335.
"A Brahmin is a great deity whether or not he is learned, just as fire is a great deity whether or not it is brought to the altar. The purifying fire with its brilliant energy is not defiled even in cremation grounds, and when oblations of butter are placed in it at sacrifices it grows even greater. Thus Brahmins should be revered in every way, even if they engage in all kinds of undesirable actions, for this is the supreme deity. If the Ksatriyas become overbearing towards the Brahmins in any way, the Brahmins themselves should subdue them, for the Ksatriyas were born from the Brahmins." -- Manusmrti 9:317-320.
"His (Purusa's) mouth became the Brahmin; his arms were made into the Ksatriya, his thighs the Vaisya, and from his feet the Sudra was born." -- Rig Veda 10:90:12.
Hinduism vs Idolatry
Which religion states that idolators will "fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time" ? Islam? Sikhism? Judaism? Christianity? GUESS AGAIN....... Yeah, Hinduism - once again the holy Vedas speak:
"They are enveloped in darkness, in other words, are steeped in ignorance and sunk in the greatest depths of misery who worship the uncreated, eternal prakrti -- the material cause of the world -- in place of the All-pervading God, BUT THOSE WHO WORSHIP VISIBLE THINGS BORN OF THE PRAKRTI, such as the earth, trees, bodies (human and the like) in place of God are enveloped in still greater darkness, in other words, they are extremely foolish, fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time." -- Yajur Veda 40:9.
This is merely further confirmed in yet another verse:
"The Formless Supreme Spirit that pervades the universe can have NO MATERIAL REPRESENTATION, LIKENESS OR IMAGE." -- Yajur Veda 32:3.
According to Hinduism's sacred & eternal Vedas, idolators (i.e. "but those who worship visible things born of the prakrti") are condemned as perhaps the most wicked entities in Hinduism. "No material representation", i.e. no idols for Hindus lest they rot in "hell"!!
Yet approximately 90% of practicing Hindus commit idolatry & defend it as an authorized & integral practice for Hinduism. In fact, Hindu priests world-wide provide prayers, offerings & even bathe miniature idols in milk regularly; pious Hindus across the globe pray to & bow-down before such
idols of Krsna, Ram/Sita, Linga (Phallus), Siva, Elephants (Ganesa), Monkeys (Hanuman), Cows (Nandi/etc.), Brahma, Yoni (Vagina), Nude Kali (Naked Dravidian-looking Goddess with a protruding blood-thirsty tongue), Snakes(Nag), Hogs (Varaha - Boar Avatar), Turtles (Kurma - Turtle Avatar), Fish (Matsya - Fish Avatar), Goats (Agni - Sacrificial Goat w/Flames -- the Fire-God), Fire-God (Agni), Sun-God (Surya/etc.), Moon-God (Candresvara), etc. Some remote sects & tribes of Hinduism even worship crocodiles, camels, donkeys, dogs, rats, toys, frogs, insects and other absurdities.
Lord comes in Human form to preach and uplift the human souls - lifutushi - 09-24-2006
ooppss... sorry... network error... Mods, please delete my redundant posts :(
Sorry...
Lord comes in Human form to preach and uplift the human souls - Muslimah - 09-24-2006
Bismillah
dattaswami
i kept warning u against posting your links, last warning was yesterday. Since we dont have time to both read your multiple lengthy posts that u r flooding the board with and still clean your links. Thus, your account is suspended.
you will still be able to see the board Insh aAllah, but u will take a break and give us a break.