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Black stone of the Kabbah - prodigy - 12-02-2006
Assalamu alaykum
Brother and sister in Islam i need a solid information about the black stone of the kaabah,
i was small l when i lived in saudi arabia, didnt know much about it, i asked some peoples but they have different way of answering.
some says it is a stone from paradise.......u can see people kissing the black stone some says it was a white and becoz it absorbs the sin of wicked person it became black, how logical is it? becoz of different answer from different individuals i was unhappy.
therefore i need an accurate information about it, why do people have to kiss the stone? what if anyone does not kiss?
wassalam
Black stone of the Kabbah - prodigy - 12-05-2006
salam
:( well 34 viewed this thread but no one replied
anyway i will search on my own and check whether if its reliable
wassalam
Black stone of the Kabbah - Muslimah - 12-06-2006
Bismillah
as salam alykom
What can I say??? :blush: just sorry for being late on this, true, no one came on to reply.
Here look at this INsh aAllah will be good:
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satelli...d=1124781357727
Black stone of the Kabbah - prodigy - 12-06-2006
:) salam
hey sis its ok :D
thanks for your link, i read and it was interesting, there were more links provided to read about the black stone, i will go thorough one by one
quoted from islamonline
Quote:There are various reports from the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) concerning the origin of the Black Stone, but most of them are of doubtful origins. In Islam, we should not base our belief on sources which we cannot verify one hundred percent. The only fact that we can certainly establish is that it was put there by Prophet Ibrahim and Isma’eel (peace be upon them both) by the order of Almighty Allah, and the purpose of it was to indicate the beginning of Tawaf (Circumambulation of the Ka`bah).
Thus we as Muslims do not attach divine power to the stone. As `Umar ibn Al-Khattab (may Allah be pleased with him) is reported to have said: “You are just a stone that does not benefit or harm anyone, and if I had not seen the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) kissing you, I would have not done so."
So, we are simply touching or kissing the Black Stone in order to honor us with association with the great Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him); it does not imply any reverence whatsoever.
i agree with this
just have some questions regarding the following hadeeth
Quote:4. Ibn `Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) quoted the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) as saying: “Touching them both [the Black Stone and Ar-Rukn Al-Yamani] is an expiation for one’s sins.” (At-Tirmidhi)
what is ar rukn al yamani? and can our sin be expiated by touching the stone? well pplz will misinterpret it and say "ooh this haddeth affirms our sin to be expiated then woow, we do sin touch it expiated, sin, then touch.
Is there anything about the black stone in Quranic ayat? i would love to see.
well i aksed these questions becoz to get unbiased info eveyhting about Islam so that i can pass my message to my non muslim friends, if i contradict myself then it wont help i know.
wassalam
Black stone of the Kabbah - Dan - 12-06-2006
Bismillah
As Salam alaikum
"ar rukn al yamani" is the stone at the corner that preceeds the Black Stone when one is making tawaf. So if one starts tawaf (at the Black Stone, of course), there are two corners that are passed and then ar rukn al yamani then the Black Stone. Make sense?
We as muslims are also informed that prayer absolves sins from one prayer to the next, as does juma from one juma' to the next, as does umrah from one umrah to the next. Also saying subhannallahi wa bihamdi 100x absolves the days sins even if they are as "numerous as the foam on the sea." This does not mean that we can do whatever we want.
Remember the keys to taubah are sincerity and the intention to no longer commit that sin again. Insha'Allah I helped rather than hindered.
As salam alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu
Black stone of the Kabbah - prodigy - 12-08-2006
salam
Quote:"ar rukn al yamani" is the stone at the corner that preceeds the Black Stone when one is making tawaf. So if one starts tawaf (at the Black Stone, of course), there are two corners that are passed and then ar rukn al yamani then the Black Stone. Make sense?
Yes dear brother it makes sense :D
Quote:We as muslims are also informed that prayer absolves sins from one prayer to the next, as does juma from one juma' to the next, as does umrah from one umrah to the next. Also saying subhannallahi wa bihamdi 100x absolves the days sins even if they are as "numerous as the foam on the sea." This does not mean that we can do whatever we want.
hmmm yeah agreed, yes our sins will be expiated, but in terms of black stone people can see by their very eyes that the stone was white and it became black becoz of the sin of adam's son, some will say "wow it works"
"while for Umrah, salah i also believe our sins will absolved but we cant see it right? we rely upon what has said to us, i know we should believe it firmly but some people will be having misconception for black stone.........
anywayz i may be wrong somewhere.
Jazkallah brother
:D
Black stone of the Kabbah - Dan - 12-08-2006
Bismillah
As Salam alaikum
I understand what you mean.
I guess I would ask them since the stone is already completely black how can they be sure that their sins were "absorbed."
As Salam alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu
Black stone of the Kabbah - prodigy - 12-09-2006
Assalamu alaykumm
:) Jazakallah khair for the illumination brother
wassalam