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God Has Called Me... - radiyah - 10-10-2004
Quote: Woo 101 posts, who would have thought it not me
Indeed a very good progress for such a short time, all this is by Allah's Help and Aid, keep it up brother, grow stronger
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.Quote:Allah even helped me with my Music & Girlfriend situation. My girlfreind and i were speaking for hours about God / Islam last a few nights back. And to see the spark of understanding in her eye was a sign of Allahs love and help to me. But whenever i got close to asking her things like...."what is it inside your brain that looks at the electrical signal that sends pictures to the brain, what is it that sees that?" and she would say "well the spirit" but still not belive in a God, and lock up in her conversation when it comes close to her beliving. But to even be able to discuss it with her, when she previously wouldnt have give it the time of day is from Allah.
ALLAHU AKBAR it will come brother, it will come, just keep praying to Allah to enlighten her heart.
And your friend also don't forget him. Wasalam
God Has Called Me... - Muslimah - 11-13-2004
Bismillah
as salam alykom
since we pinned this topic to serve as a one place for our new brothers and sisters to learn much.
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God Has Called Me... - shameem - 11-15-2004
music and the quran cannot exist in the heart at the same time.
God Has Called Me... - ronniv93 - 11-15-2004
Quote: music and the quran cannot exist in the heart at the same time.
Excuse the intrusion, but this caught my attention.
What exactly is wrong with music? The prophet David played music. It was used to bless others, so I don't understand what's wrong with it.
God Has Called Me... - umm Zachariah - 11-15-2004
Assalamu aleikum,
I also rush into this open door
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A Muslim puts the will of Allah, SWT first and does things to please Him.
This should be according to scholars:
Music and or songs should not be against the teachings of Islam. For example, if the song is in praise or encouraging haram (forbidden) things playing/singing or listening to it is haram.
Singing or reciting poetry that is not accompanied by any music (just the human voice) is halal as long as the lyrics are Islamic and promote taqwa and faith in Allah SWT and are not about anything haram.
Although the subject matter itself may not be against the Islamic teachings, the manner of playing/singing may render it haram; this would be the case, for example, if accompanied by suggestive sexual movement or immodest clothes/behavior.
Islam fights against excess and extravagance in anything, even in worship; how, then, can it tolerate excessive involvement with entertainment? Too much time should not be wasted in such activities; after all, what is time but life itself? One cannot dispute the fact that spending time in permissible activities consumes time which ought to be reserved for carrying out religious obligations and doing good deeds.
Each individual is the best judge of himself. If music/singing arouses one's passions, leads him towards sin, excites the animal instincts, and dulls spirituality, he must avoid it, thus closing the door to temptations.
There is unanimous agreement that if music/singing is done in conjunction with haram activities—for example, at a drinking party, or if it is mixed with obscenity and sin—it is haram.
Music/songs is only halal if it is done in a halal setting. That means that women should not sing in front of non-mahram men, people should not listen in mixed gatherings, and there should be no dancing in mixed gatherings nor any kind of alcoholic drinks or other haram behavior.
And a hadith filled with wisdom.
SahihMuslim, Book 033, Number 6422:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying. Allah fixed the very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in. There would be no escape from it. The adultery of the eye is the lustful look and the adultery of the ears is listening to voluptuous (song or talk) and the adultery of the tongue is licentious speech and the adultery of the hand is the lustful grip (embrace) and the adultery of the feet is to walk (to the place) where he intends to commit adultery and the heart yearns and desires which he may or may not put into effect."
Wasalam
God Has Called Me... - Muslimah - 11-15-2004
Bismillah
Umm Jazaki Allah Khairan katheeran for this informative peace, actually Alhamdulelah this thread is really getting very useful for any of our brothers and sisters coming new to Islam.
ronniv may I add one thing, since u brought up this point on another thread. Prophet Daoud didnt sing the way u think, but he rather had a gift from Allah represented in a very nice voice that he used to praise Allah. His voice was so good that birds used to join him in praising Allah. Got that.
God Has Called Me... - ronniv93 - 11-15-2004
I don't know what you mean when you say David did not sing in the way that I think. Not sure what you think I'm thinking.
I do believe that his musical ability came from God Himself and that his music and singing were a praise unto God Almighty.
It would seem, then, according to what Umm_Zachariah has posted that music is NOT necessarily against Islam.
Music with bad lyrics suggesting sinful things would of course be un-Islamic. Un-Christian, too. So, that's easy to understand.
I have just run into several Muslims who say that all music is forbidden in Islam and have never understood why. Many claim it's because listening to music overtakes your mind and can control you. I've even had people say it negatively impacts your brain waves and that's why it's forbidden.
Always seemed "TOO DEEP" to me.
I never lose control of my body, mind or spirit just because I hear music. But then, if a person is that easily controlled or manipulated, then it's probably better for them NOT to listen.
God Has Called Me... - laian - 11-15-2004
Salam all,
Just thought I'd add my opinion to the music topic.
First of all, I haven't ever heard concrete proof that music is haram. The majority of people who say music is haram are talking about musical (tonal) instruments.. this does not include drums or human voice. There are some verses of the Qur'an that "supposedly" talk about music.... but I have seen them LOGICALLY used to support arguments for both sides. So, as I said, I have seen no concrete evidence.
About affecting the brain waves... it may seem deep ronniv, but it's true. At my university there is a physics class about the sound waves of music and their effect on things. Have you ever listened to some music and felt the shivers? That was probably a well-written chord progression. The tone combinations in music can evoke good or bad feelings, and if combined with the right words, can promote good or bad actions.
Music is a science, and I personally think it can be used for either good or evil. If used for evil, it is haram. If used for good, it is halal. this includes any instrument -- IN MY OPINION.
As for the muslims who say music is haram... I know some who say that and adamantly will NOT listen to any music... but they will watch TV, which has tons of music. And movies are basically entirely made of music, you can buy the soundtrack to a movie etc, and not nearly as many people say TV or movies are haram as they say musical instruments are haram. So really I think its a loose issue.
On a final note, while I personally do not necessarily think music is haram, I believe it is more or less a waste of time. The prophet saws encouraged joking and laughing and having fun with each other. So I think if you are going to watch a tasteful movie with the girls as part of a fun time together, there is no harm in that. But to just have the music on as you are doing stuff, like cooking or driving, it's a waste. If you are doing something like that where you could listen to something to be more entertained, why not listen to nasheeds or Qur'an? This is a much better use of time.
Also, listening and singing along to nasheeds or Qur'an, in my opinion, can be seen as remembrance of Allah. And I've heard a hadith that says the people in paradise will have no regrets, except one: and that is they will regret all the time they spent not in remembrance of Allah.
So, in regards to music, I don't think it matters if it is haram or halal. If there is ever concrete proof of it being haram or halal, then it is a different issue. But from what I've learned, there is not, so it simply becomes a matter of PRIORITY.
Just my opinion
salam
God Has Called Me... - Anyabwile - 11-15-2004
My music listening is near zero now, in a short time as well, i thought i'd never give it up. I find it very difficult hearing the sweet song of a bird, or a piece of music that seems to reach within you and touch you and then say to myself this is not what Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala) wanted. I'm reading a book right now for the first time, "When the moon split" A book recommended to me by many people, a biography of the Prophet (Peace and blessings be upon him) which says when the Prophet (Peace and blessings be upon him) first came to Medinah women and children sang a welcome song that is now sang by Muslims in memory of that day. Also it says he sang alongside his workers while buidling the Mosque and they sang songs to praise Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala) on a regular basis, sometimes before war, sometime just as they felt. The Prophet (Peace and blessings be upon him) and his followers. But then i read the Prophet said Music is forbidden and one of the signs of the last day (?)
I've read much on this and no one still seems to know, and i have read SO much on it but i've given up family friends and a lot more for Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala), if i can't give up music but i can my family then there's something seriously wrong with me. The only thing is, the Muslims that come at me like Shameem do i have no time for them. Because i quit music for Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala), not intimidating Muslims with nothing to back up their words. Even though Allah (Peace and blessings be upon him) hasn't actually said so i can see how music could easily be Haram. I know how music can pull you away from Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala). And Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala) wouldn't want that.
I think it's common sence really. If music was Haram Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala)would say so, and if it was Haram the Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) wouldn't have allowed it in his presence, or people around him to sing. When i say common sense i mean listening to music for hours a day that has suggestive undertones and worse will take you further from God, so that i can see some would say is Haram, however music which is positive and for Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala) I don't understand how that's Haram.
I'm bit by bit stopping listening to Music which i love and was a central part of my life. But i will still wonder till the day i am gone, why beautful songs, and the art of say a soulful singer or a classical piece would be Haram. Still if there's a slight chance i'm wrong, then it makes obvious sence not to take the risk. Like i said, i've give up many things more hard to resist than music. Not a problem...although it will be missed.
God Has Called Me... - shameem - 11-16-2004
music, my brothers and sisters, puts you into a false state. it messes with your emotions. can we honestly say that when we indulge in music that allah is in our hearts and minds at the same time? unless it being about praising Allah. i read somewhere ,and you might correct me on this, that the satans are attracted to the sound of wind and string instruments. the state music puts us in is falsehood. it takes us away from the realities of life. islam puts peace inside of us in dealing with this life. i heard that if you listen to music of this life, Allah will not give you the music of paradise ,which the music of this life does not even compare with. that is why i gave up something i loved very much. :