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Are American and European muslims more liberal? - Khairan - 05-22-2004 So Muslimah, do you agree with Dan's assertion that these later verses abrogate the earlier ones, or would you say that it is more appropriate to think of them as all being in agreement but providing increasingly more specific instructions? Are American and European muslims more liberal? - Muslimah - 05-22-2004 Quote:2:62 - \"Those who believe (in the Qur’an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians, <b>any who believe in God and the Last dayas salam alykom Sobhan Allah, actually u r bringing up excellent points for others to benefit. U know Khairan the Ayah is arabic goes like إن الذين آمنوا والذين هادو till the rest of the ayah till Allah comes to the underlined sentence which I would translate as not any but one who believes and <b>a prounoun of 'them' </b> is implied here. In other words it is taken for granted that the ayah would be those who believe from among the previous groups in Allah and the Day after the way Allah wants us to believe. Also the word هادو which is translated here as Jews means those who became guided after not believing (from among the jews just as it is mentioned in ""And ordain for us good in this world, and in the Hereafter. Certainly <b>we have turned unto You</b>". (Quran 7:156) the underlined sentence here in Arabic goes like hudna <b>هدنا</b> If u apply this on the word used in the Ayah u brought u will find that it is hadu هادو r u getting the point. In short the ayahs does not mean the sense u r taking it. But rather a confirmation that any one of the previously mentioned groups who would believe in Allah and the Day after and work righteousness shall be rewarded by Allah in the manner He sees. Just note that Allah in this Ayah didnt mention jannah (heavens) but rather only Said <b>shall have their reward with their Lord </b> Brother there isnt but one path to Allah ISLAM Are American and European muslims more liberal? - Khairan - 05-22-2004 Quote:as salam alykom Sobhan Allah, actually u r bringing up excellent points for others to benefit.Thanks for the Arabic verse, Muslimah. I can't do it with my computer, so I figure I might as well put up the English to help our non-Muslim fellows follow along. Are American and European muslims more liberal? - Muslimah - 05-22-2004 Quote:So Muslimah, do you agree with Dan's assertion that these later verses abrogate the earlier ones, or would you say that it is more appropriate to think of them as all being in agreement but providing increasingly more specific instructions?la hawala wala qowata ila billah, brother really the Ayahs are very clear, no need to agree with one or disagree with another. Brother u seem like to argue, and I join Dan and naseeha again that we are all growing somewhat concerned. Are American and European muslims more liberal? - Khairan - 05-22-2004 Quote:la hawala wala qowata ila billah, brother really the Ayahs are very clear, no need to agree with one or disagree with another.Brother u seem like to argue, and I join Dan and naseeha again that we are all growing somewhat concerned.:confused: Huh? I'm asking you if you agreed with what Dan said in his earlier post or not, since it wasn't clear to me from what you just said. How am I arguing? Are American and European muslims more liberal? - Muslimah - 05-22-2004 You r welcome any time, just re read the posts again slowly and dont hasten to reply. Just take time to understand them akhi and r u a native arabic speaker????? Are American and European muslims more liberal? - Khairan - 05-22-2004 Quote:You r welcome any time, just re read the posts again slowly and dont hasten to reply. Just take time to understand them akhi and r u a native arabic speaker?????I'm not a native speaker, but I am able to read arabic and understand enough of it that I am not totally at the mercy of English translations. I still have a long way to go, though. :learn: :learn: :learn: Are American and European muslims more liberal? - Muslimah - 05-22-2004 Quote:as salam alykom Dan allow me to pop in:I dont think the way the post is put needs any more comments Are American and European muslims more liberal? - Khairan - 05-22-2004 By the way Muslimah, you are totally right - I do like to argue I find it keeps the mind sharp and exposes obvious flaws in one's reasoning. But that doesn't mean I'm not interested in learning, so don't be discouraged by my opinionated nature! I <i>am</i> paying attention... (hafiz) Are American and European muslims more liberal? - Muslimah - 05-22-2004 I can see that, and we are all never discouraged, only concerned. Much concerned and as far as arabic is concerned I am a native arabic speaker, yet still need to learn a lot |