Quote:<i>Originally posted by phatmonky </i><b>Hazam's, while I agree with much of what you are saying, please keep the tone down. Muslimah might enjoy locking a thread that degrades to anger, but if it is locked while we simply ask questions, I get to yell about how I am being censored again </b>

Really though, let's keep it cool in here

Quote:<i>Originally posted by Ibn_kumuna </i><b>Salaam Alaikum!</b>

There’s a point I wanted to make. I strongly believe that in the current situation going on in Israel-Palestine is nationalistic. And, to that extent, they (both Israeli’s and Palestinians) use the bible and the Quran to justify their positioning.  

I protest against this narrow approach.  

Ibn

Quote:\"originaly posted by Hzam's bro\"Ignorance may lie in waves of bliss from where you come from, but the next time you want to argue with a History major, be sure you have the complete story.

Quote:There is no war on Islam.  are you talking about? And let's not forget how many innocent civilians suicide bombers have killed.

Quote:LOL, you are saying the British left because Gandhi was not a muslim? Man, I really don't know where you are from, but it seems pretty obvious you have been brainwashed by zealots and religious bigots. I thought the British gave India its independence ONLY if the two nationalist nations, thhe Muslim League and the Congress Party, resolved their differences?

Quote:Wait a second, are you saying that the suicide bombings are because of a religious building? If this is truly your argument then I have less respect for the religion of Islam that I previously thought.

Quote:<i>Originally posted by radiyah </i><b>I did not claim to be a scientist or the</b>

all knowing, only Allah is the all

knowing, and I am not showing off my

knowledge but the true history will be

there to show and prove itself, but

always when it comes to Islam, we are

the ignorant and savage people. I put

proof and links for u to prove my post

and what did I get in return? anyways

thanku and may God forgive u, but u

do not beleive in God do u ?

You posted links to a bunch of sites where religious islamic bigots try to prove that every civilization has some sort of link to Islam. What I gave you is the true history of native americans here in north america.

And why do you say that I don't believe in God? The only thing I mentioned in my previous post was that I am an agnostic.

<b>lol really, no war on Islam, I will not </b>

add anything more on this issue.

Because there is nothing to add to the issue. There is no war on Islam. You can't provide me with a single shread of evidence that contradicts what I said.

<b>And let's not forget how many innocent palestinians children, elderly men and women were killed, girls raped. Only the Jews are the innocent ?</b>

I already mentioned that both sides are responsible for the killings of innocent civilians. But don't worry, I am sure you will try to spin this anyway you can to find a conclusion that fits into what you believe in.

<b>Ok, they resolved their differences( this is what is supposed to be shown on surface u should know better u are a history major:) ), but what is happening to muslims inside india, they were burnt to death alive, dont tell me u do not know about that either.</b>

Why is it that Jinnah was the one who wanted to separate the country apart? Independence came at great cost. While Gandhi was leading a largely Hindu movement, Mohammed Ali Jinnah was fronting a Muslim one through a group. Jinnah advocated the division of India into two separate states: Muslim and Hindu, and he was able to achieve his goal. When the British left, they created the separate states of Pakistan and Bangladesh, and violence erupted when stranded Muslims and Hindu minorities in the areas fled in opposite directions. Within a few weeks, half a million people had died in the course of the greatest migration of human beings in the world's history. The aging Gandhi vowed to fast until the violence stopped, which it did when his health was seriously threatened. At the same time, the British returned and helped restore order. Excepting Kashmir, which is still a disputed area (and currently unsafe for tourists), the division reached stability. Jinnah was a fool, and was not half the man that Gandhi was.

<b>And I am not brainwashed, and our scholars are not zealots and bigots. Anyways u have your opinion u r a free person to say what u wish, I respect that we do not force anything on any1. </b>

I am glad you didn't make an argument to the contrary.

<b>Well, again this is up to u, but if u study Islam honestly and knowing it's essence truly you will not say that.</b>

Knowing its essence? Oh I see. So the death of innocent people who had nothing to do with that event I guess is justified to the fact that you are not able to pray in a certain place for a limited amount of time? Truly sickening argument you have made

<b>And oh since this is your second post and you are new on this forum, we forgot to welcome u on board, and we are really sorry if things here do not come up to your expectations. Enjoy and sorry for any innconvenience. </b>

No inconvenience. I just thought to make an argument on the message board since so many people seem to think so one sided on this board.

Quote:<i>Originally posted by radiyah </i><b>well as u are a historian, I will not argue with u. You are convinced of what u learned, and I am convinced of my faith, and i did not say that I agree that innocent people are killed, I am against that, I think I made myself clear about that</b>

our relegion is against killing innocent people, children women elderly, or even to

cut a tree off. What I am trying to say here

that palestinians have no other solution, since 1947 and their land is being stripped

peace after peace, and promises given to them and no use they are losing more land. Anyways I will not argue more about this issue, because this is not an arguing board, u r convinced of your Ideas, I respect that, but that will not change mine.

Listen, I have no doubts that Israel is just as responsible for 'terrorist' activities as these suicide bombers we see daily on our television. I do admit that out media is 'pro-Israeali' to a certain degree. The logical conclusion, however, must be that of peace for all sides. The United States has offered up a two state solution, and the killings continue. Can you please inform me from where you are from, what are the causes for this? Has Israel done something that we here in the United States are not informed or inclined by our media of knowing? Please explain to me, besides the killing of yassin, why this circle of blood continues?

<b> What does the word agnostic mean, does'nt it mean that u have doubt about his existence? </b>

Agnostics are those who are inconclusive that a God does or does not exist. Never for a moment did I mention that I do or don't believe in God. What I said, and will alway say, is that I do not know if He exists.

<b>we think one sided because most of us are muslims, and if u were on a christian board or jewish or any other relegion they will be one sided as well. </b>

I never take any side in any argument when dealing with politics. I do understand that people from certain countries only hear one side of the story. I try getting my facts from various non-partisan internet sources. While some might be "pro-israeli' as you mentioned (CNN, NBC), I do also look at aljazeeras website for their outlook of what has happend.

<b>and again I repeat , I am against killing innocent people, jewish ,hindus, christians or any other relegion. Because our relegion forbids that.</b>

I just wish that both the people of Palestine and Israel realized this

<b>and again I welcome u aboard. </b>

Thanks

Quote:<i>Originally posted by Muslimah </i><b>salam Hazam'sBro</b>

may be u got this note from Phatmonky, but we need to set things straight here.

first welcome to the board, second did u read the rules of the forum?? we are here to discuss in a respectful manner. hope u get this. Certainly we r not here to fight. r u here to fight? u dont seem so.  

if u did not read the rules, I certainly advice u to go read it.

no need to call scholars bigots and so forth. here we r trying to learn and help others learn.

since u r interrogating sister Radiyah all the time rather than focusing on the post. Can I know what is your motive of being on an Islamic forum?? not that we dont accept an agonistic, everybody is most welcome and their intention is know to Allah who Exists by the way and Insh a Allah Allah will help u settle this confusion if He does exist or not.

waiting for a reply

Muslimah

Quote:originally posted by johndoe \"Hello fellow agnostic !\"

Quote:\"God commands justice and doing good and giving to relatives. And He forbids indecency and doing wrong and tyranny. He warns you so that hopefully you will pay heed.\"