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The Myth of FreeMasons - Purgetroy - 07-04-2004
Quote:Is this not exactly what the US is doing in the Middle East? Forcing people to adhere to an ideology because Americans believe that it is the best? And we cannot say that the American leadership is not ambitious.
In a way, yes. But not totaly. The US aims for power, and so did Napoleon. The US uses force to get power, and so did Napoleon. But the US isnt wanted nor loved by the people it coquered. That's not the case with Napoleon. I said it before and will say it again. Napoleon was a dictator, he had the power to be a ruthless tyrant, but he wasnt. On the contrary, he brought justice and stability, not only to the French people, but to all of Europe. There were several revolutions in Europe after the French revolution. These revolutions occured because the people saw that they could get a better life rather than what they were living under at the time. You can read the original Red Riding Hood story and see how desperate the French were before the revolution. Under Napoleon's rule, there was justice and hope. He was loved and thus accpeted as a dictator, not once, but twice. The French people followed him through the hells of war not once, but twice. Napoleon was a great man. A great man with a temper, but a great man non-the-less. The US attacked Iraq, took away a tyrant, place a what I believe is a puppet and is sucking off it the country's resources. The Iraqis are not happy, on the contrary, the jumped from the pan into the fire. Under Napoleon, he brought actual change to the better.
Quote:Fair enough. Let me rephrase then. Why do you care about the Freemasons? What about this topic drove you to start a thread about them?
I read a post in some other thread where someone is blaming what's happening on the Masons. The post went something like; "there is a virus being sent to the Muslim ummah and this virus is sent by Masons, blah blah blah blah blah". and a few more paragraphs of cheese.
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Quote:As naseeha has pointed out, the information comes from a bunch of websources with little credibility from organizations that I do not know so of course I will be skeptical. Anyone can create a website and make it very professional looking. As I have stated before, I HAVE looked into these issues many times before. I keep them in mind.
I wouldnt give them credibility at all. A so-called secrect organisation that can control the whole world's thinking aught to know how to keep it a secret.
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Quote:I also agree with naseeha on another issue. Why post a reply stating one is shocked and aggravated without providing some type of suggestion? This is not sunnah. All that accomplished was ill feelings. I have times when I am upset at a post. I chill out collect myself and then post when I feel that I can be productive.
hmm...is that directed to me? Well if it is, I did give a suggestion. Forget that non-sense and start thinking of a more realistic enemy...if you realy need one that is.
Quote:Well I guess u got me all wrong, posting this link which I know very well, was not to support the Jews in any way no. I just needed to prove to non Muslims that even among the Jews there are a group who admit they have no rights in Palestine, we Muslims know that they dont.
Add to the link that you gave that there are Jews who support Palestine and are against Israel the following link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3149588.stm
Now we know that there are Jews who support Palestine. Jews who fight Israel. Jews who support the right of muslim women to wear a veil. We also know that there are Jews who are exactly opposite. Let me also remind you that we know about criminals like Bin Laden, Taliban, Saddam Hussein, Hafiz Al-Assad, and alot of others who are muslims. We also know that there are great muslims as well, like Abd Al-Nasser, Khalid Bin Walid, Salahuldin, etc.
Dear sister, I hope you know that as humans, we have different personalities, ways of thinking and interests. As humans, you cannot jugde a whole nation. Never. A nation is made of a group of people, and no group of people could be given the same judgment, for no two people are exactly the same. There are good Jews and bad Jews, good Christians and bad Christians, good Muslims and bad Muslims. I hope you agree with me, but I would rather be with a good Jew than a bad Muslim.
Quote:Purg. just look into the fatiha, not the whole Quran or surat Baqara and u will know what definition Allah gave them. If u can not find the definition Insh a Allah I will gladly help.
With all respect dear mother, let me tell you something. In the past, the Jews were very VERY fanatic on their relgion. They were a closed society and refused intermingeling with other nations. I read that it got to a point where one of the Kings of Ancient Israel forced all the Jews who were married to non-hebrews to divorce. I believe this was to follow a certain understanding of the following verse:
"Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, for they will turn your sons away from following Me to serve other gods, and the Lord's anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you" [Deuteronomy 7:3-6].
I made a search on the net and found that Jewish sites have given a different interpetation of this verse away from the old "your not allowed to marry a non-Jew". You actualy should expect that alot these days.
In other words, I believe the Jews at around the time of the prophet Mohammad and further back used to be quite different from nowadays liberated Jews. Today, you really can't tell what religion a man follows until you hear it from his own lips. Their culture, character, style and life has been intermingeled with other nations. This even applies to Arabs and alot of Muslims (unfortunatly).
Quote:And I know what he did to them, again building on Dan's comment that what we are facing now is a test from Allah, same thing, Allah put the Jews in a situation after the other, took them out of disasters after the other, yet they insisted on their disbelive and wrong path.
We can say that for all non-muslims, the Jews are nothing special.
@naseeha:
Well it seems you insist on the Illuminati. Fortunatly, the Illuminati is much easier to prove to be utter non-sense. Here is a few facts:
The Illuminati believes in some evil grey aliens that aim to control the world and are living on Earth in human descise now. They also believe of good aliens who are very white, blond and have blue eyes, these aim to stop the evil grey aliens. If this is not enough to prove to you that the Illuminati is made up by a little Tolkien fan, the Illuminati believes that Bush is reptilian hybrid created by the Illuminiati. Personaly, I find this whole thing a dumb joke.
Quote:brother purgetroy yes there is a conspiracy on Islam since it started...
Well ofcourse, every religion has it's enemies. Muslims arent all on the peacful side right now are they. Remember, I'm not saying Islam isnt on the peacful side, I'm saying Muslims (or several of them at least). But again, I wont go as far as the Freemason story goes.
Quote:dont forget that the jews are the ones who helped the kuffar against prophet Muhammad, and dont forget that they tried to kill him like they killed many prophets
So the Jews are not part of the kuffar? As far as I know, anyone who isnt a Muslim is a kaffer. Somehow, you place the Jews in an even lower level than the rest of the non-muslim world. Muslims are about 20% of the world population. That's 80% non-muslim. If you dont know how to live with them then you really have a big problem on your hands. I'm not saying that we try to please them and submit to them. I'm saying that we open our minds a little bit and understand that the whole world isnt waiting to gulp us up. I have non-muslim friends, and personaly, I like them more than ALOT of my muslim friends.
There is this South Park episode where the Chef (a black man) hits another black man and is accused of offense. Then Cartman (a white kid) hits the same black man and is accused of racial hatred. The point? Your acting like alot of Afro-Americans who claim that they are being oppressed by whites. A white man can't say a word without a black man interpeting it into a racist remark. Likewise, your sitting down blaming all your problems on Jews when the same problems were also made by other people of different world religions to one another not excluding ourselves. When a muslim criminal commits a crime in the US, the news broadcast just has to mention his religion. Likewise, when a Jewish criminal does a crime on us, you just have to blame it on the Jews and say, "aha! look at what the Jews did!" Why dont you look at what the Christians, Hindus, Atheists and other religions do against us as well? Then again, why dont you look at what Jews, Christians, Hindus, Atheist and other religions do FOR us as well. Maybe by "us" I dont mean the whole Muslim nation, but on several muslim individuals. As I said, I completely against judging a whole nation because a nation is made of individuals and no two individuals are alike. Even if there is one Jew that stands by the side of the Muslims in their case against Israel, I would say "no, Judism isnt all bad." And here we go, we dont have just one Jew. We have a whole community of Jews. Maybe you should start opening your mind a little bit.
Quote:Jews, masons, zionists we should not care anymore, Jews themselves admit of the masons and zionists movements with facts and proof, why are u defending that it is just a peacefull organization. why are u defending the jews after Allah condemned them in the Quran.
What facts and proofs? If you tell me that the main aim of Israel is to get it's ancient land back which stretches from the Nile to the Euphrates, then I already know that. But I dont see any world domination in there or the complete extermination of Muslims either.
Concerning why I'm defending Jews, that's simple. Because your attacking them and there is no one else to over here to get the point through.
Concerning the Qoran and Sunnah;
"And tell my servants that they should speak in a most kindly manner (unto those who do not share their beliefs). Verily, Satan is always ready to stir up discord between men; for verily; Satan is man’s foe. We have not sent you with the power to determine their faith.” (Qur’ân 17:53, 54)
"Revile not ye those whom they call upon besides God, lest they out of spite revile God in their ignorance. Thus have We made alluring to each people its own doings. In the end will they return to their Lord, and We shall then tell them the truth of all that they did." (Qur’ân 6.108)
I dont see Allah making any exceptions for the Jews in the above verses.