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Penalty of converting to Christianity - wel_mel_2 - 03-31-2006
Bismillah
Quote:<b>I have never been married, but from what I have been told by many people, just one wife can often be a handful, and I can't imagine anyone needing 72, and anyone that wants 72 is thinking about things other than Allah.</b>
<b>I don't recall where I heard it first, but I have heard it many times. Just seeing the word makes me think I may know the translation, but what is the proper translation.</b>
<b>As I indicated earlier, Jesus was born a Jew, and in the verses you quoted he was talking to other Jews, and advising them to follow the terms of the compact God established with the Jewish Race. But shortly before He was crucified he said (John 14:6) "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." and He said (John 3:16) "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. "</b>
<b>The story of Jesus is told in the New Testament. The Old Testament covers times before the birth of Christ.</b>
No comments my friend, No comments:)
salam
Wael
Penalty of converting to Christianity - wel_mel_2 - 03-31-2006
Bismillah:
Quote:<b>I don't recall where I heard it first, but I have heard it many times. Just seeing the word makes me think I may know the translation, but what is the proper translation.</b>
The word hoor occurs in the Qur’an in no less than four different places:
(1) In Surah Dukhan chapter 44, verse 54 s
"Moreover, We shall join them to <b>companions </b>
With beautiful, big and lustrous eyes."
[Al-Qur’an 44:54]
(2) in Surah Al-Tur chapter 52 verse 20
"...And We shall join them to<b> companions</b>, with beautiful,
big and lustrous eyes."
[Al-Qur’an 52:20]
(3) In Surah Rahman chapter 55 verse 72
"<b>Companions </b> restrained (as to their glances), in goodly pavilions."
[Al-Qur’an 55:72]
(4) In Surah Al-Waqiah chapter 56 verse 22
"And (there will be) <b>companions </b> with beautiful, big and lustrous eyes."
[Al-Qur’an 56:22]
The word hoor is actually the plural of ahwar (applicable to man) and of haura (applicable to woman) and signifies a person having eyes characterized by hauar a special quality bestowed upon a <b>good soul</b>, <b>male or female </b> in paradise and it denotes the intense whiteness of the white part of the spiritual eye.
the word hoor has no specific gender. Mohammad Asad has translated the word hoor as spouse and Abdullah Yusuf Ali as companion. Therefore according to some scholars a man in paradise will have a hoor that is a beautiful maiden with beautiful big and lustrous eyes and a woman in paradise will get a man with beautiful big and lustrous eyes.
i hope this help you to understand and i think my brothers and sisters here can explain further if you still need any clarification.
salam
Wael
Penalty of converting to Christianity - Don Singleton - 03-31-2006
Quote:the word hoor has no specific gender. Mohammad Asad has translated the word hoor as spouse and Abdullah Yusuf Ali as companion. Therefore according to some scholars a man in paradise will have a hoor that is a beautiful maiden with beautiful big and lustrous eyes and a woman in paradise will get a man with beautiful big and lustrous eyes.
<b>One I can understand, but 72?????</b>
Penalty of converting to Christianity - arclight - 03-31-2006
Quote:<b>They concern me too. Now I really think that would be Hell</b>
<b>Your Qu'ran was written by a man, as well. He may have included a number of verses that in effect say that Allah has proofread this, but did he really?</b>
Err, I'm not a muslim Don
Quote:If you had as much snow as they have to deal with, you would probably have 30 or more words for it too, to describe various states or conditions of the snow.
The point I was trying to make was that there is an inherent probable in translating texts. One is that a lot of words don't have a true translation between languages, secondly a lot of translation requires the translator to use his opinion of the message the original text was trying to convey.
Quote:<b>I take pleasure in thinking of myself as one of God's children, but I would never say I was His Son.</b>
As above. Jesus may have said he was the son of God, but did he mean literally that, or was he implying that he, and eveyone else, is God's child. It could be mistranslated, or just misinterpereted
Quote:<b>Yes when Muslimah first changed the subject he put some arabic script at the front, then he (or someone else) changed it again, and the extra 'a' crept in</b>
I would think Muslimah is a woman. The clue is sort of in the name :)
Penalty of converting to Christianity - Muslimah - 03-31-2006
Bismillah
salam Arclight
Good guess, yes i m a woman, but Don where is this Arabic script I put couldnt find it.
Insh aAllah there are other points I like to raise later.
Penalty of converting to Christianity - arclight - 03-31-2006
* arclight points left
Not so much a guess, as an ability to read :)
Penalty of converting to Christianity - Muslimah - 03-31-2006
Bismillah
:thumb: arclight
BTW changing the topic title was Don's idea anyway, it is just that admin has to be seen as doing something or the other.
U still didnt tell me where is this Arabic script i posted???? :unsure: :banghead:
Penalty of converting to Christianity - Don Singleton - 03-31-2006
Quote:As above. Jesus may have said he was the son of God, but did he mean literally that, or was he implying that he, and eveyone else, is God's child. It could be mistranslated, or just misinterpereted
<b>John 3:16 is very specific: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." If you want to check out other translations Click here It even has it in Arabic. </b>
16 لأَنَّهُ هكَذَا أَحَبَّ اللهُ الْعَالَمَ حَتَّى بَذَلَ ابْنَهُ الْوَحِيدَ، لِكَيْ لاَ يَهْلِكَ كُلُّ مَنْ يُؤْمِنُ بِهِ، بَلْ تَكُونُ لَهُ الْحَيَاةُ الأَبَدِيَّةُ
Quote:I would think Muslimah is a woman. The clue is sort of in the name :)
<b>Sorry, Muslimah, no offense intended</b>
Penalty of converting to Christianity - Don Singleton - 03-31-2006
Quote:Good guess, yes i m a woman, but Don where is this Arabic script I put couldnt find it.
Insh aAllah there are other points I like to raise later.
<b>The thread started in NonMuslims, and it was later moved here. Initially the first part of the subject of the thread was a mixture of Arabic and English, then someone changed it to all English, but put an additional a in the last word: Charistianity rather than Christianity.</b>
Penalty of converting to Christianity - wel_mel_2 - 04-01-2006
Bismillah:
Quote:<b>One I can understand, but 72?????</b>
you know why the number 72 is an issue to you? because you are only thinking of the sexual practice between the man or woman who is going to have those 72 Hoors, please note that those Hoors are under your service in heaven to get for you whatever you desire and not necessary to have any kind of sexual intercourse with them. the reward in Paradise is UNIMAGINABLE.
plus there is a very important thing you need to know, the righteous women, if they enter Jannah they will be with their husbands, and they will be made more beautiful than the Hoor, their rewards in Jannah will be more than the Hoor, The Hadith concerning 70 or 72 Hooris is authentic and it is reported as regards the one who dies as a martyr in the Cause of Allah and not to everyone. The reward in Jannah will be according to each one’s good deeds. and Allah knows best.
Salam
Wael