Anti-sunnah...wake Up!!!! - Printable Version

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Anti-sunnah...wake Up!!!! - Muslimah - 08-15-2004

La hawla wala qowata ila billah

u know what Dan I started changing my approach totally specially after this last post of lul

lul u know I feel terribly sorry for u and whoever is in your position. Insh aAllah we will do our best to bring the truth. Whether or not you will see it is only up to u. But we have to fulfill our duty in all cases.

What Dan is talking about is the numerous Ayahs put forth clearly stating Haj rituals that u called paganism. Clearly indicating the sanctity of Kab`a that u refuse to accept.

Now u also deny that Allah, and I dont know why u call Him The GOd. He is Allah

Created us to worship Him

U came here telling us Quran is between u and us.

What if the Quran tells u why u were created.

Now listen LUL may Allah Puts the light in your heart:

"And I (Allah) created not the jinns and humans except they should worship Me (Alone)." (Quran 51:56)

"And they were commanded not, but that they should worship Allah, and worship none but Him Alone (abstaining from ascribing partners to Him), and perform AsSalat (iqamatasSalat) and give Zakat: and that is the right religion." (Quran 98:5)

Lul u really need to know what Islam is, may be Allah Is Giving u a chance take it. Just stay and read. If u refer back to our posts, specially the one on:

http://www.islamsms.com/bb/index.php?showtopic=1842

Read slowly without bias, dont feel threatened we dont mean to intimidate u, we really want to help.

I sincerely advice u to seriously re consider your status and hasten to the true path before it is too late. I know u must be feeling insecure now, wanting to just prove u r not wrong. But the issue is worth a try. It is your final destination that is in jeopardy.

Now more on Salat which u totally deny, although I posted many Ayahs mentioning the movements of bowing and prostration, but why not more, I am investing my time Alhamdulelah. See I really praise Allah for being a native Arabic speaker, I have not credit in this, if I dont use what Al Baset (One Who Expand) taught me, He could simply take it away or in other words Al Qabed (One Who Contracts) can contract it.

So listen to this:

"So woe unto those performers of Salat (prayers) * Who delay their Salat (prayer) from their stated fixed times" (Quran 107 : 4-5)

When Allah Talks about delaying an act then their this something to be performed on specific times.

Again on Mecca and Kaba:

"Verily, the first House (of worship) appointed for mankind was that at Bakkah (Makkah), full of blessing, and a guidance for Al-'Alameen (the mankind and jinns).

* In it are manifest signs (for example), the Maqaam (place) of Ibraaheem (Abraham); whosoever enters it, he attains security. And Hajj (pilgrimage to Makkah) to the House (Ka'bah) is a duty that mankind owes to Allah, those who can afford the expenses (for one's conveyance, provision and residence); and whoever disbelieves [i.e. denies Hajj (pilgrimage to Makkah), then he is a disbeliever of Allah], then Allah stands not in need of any of the 'Alameen (mankind and jinns)." (Quran 3:96 -97)

"Verily! As-Safa and Al-Marwah (two mountains in Makkah) are of the Symbols
of Allah. So it is not a sin on him who perform Hajj or 'Umrah (pilgrimage) of the House (the Ka'bah at Makkah) to perform the going (Tawaf) between them (As-Safa and Al-Marwah). And whoever does good voluntarily, then verily, Allah is All-Recogniser, All-Knower.

" (Quran 2:158) with all dur respect to the translator, but the word in red is not supposed to be symbols but rather rituals. In arabic is it sha`aer which is rituals.

What do u understand of all this, u still dont get it?? Just as Dan told u re read and look at all the Ayahs or else u r just arguing for the sake of argument, or u r threatended by the truth. It is never too late. Just ask for Allah's guidance.

Anti-sunnah...wake Up!!!! - Muslimah - 08-15-2004

as salam alykom

well just for more clarification on the issue of Salat:

"O you who believe! When you intend to offer As-Salaat (the prayer), wash your faces and your hands (forearms) up to the elbows, rub (by passing wet hands over) your heads, and (wash) your feet up to ankles. If you are in a state of Janaaba (i.e. had a sexual discharge), purify yourself (bathe your whole body). But if you are ill or on a journey or any of you comes from answering the call of nature, or you have been in contact with women (i.e. sexual intercourse) and you find no water, then perform Tayammum with clean earth and rub therewith your faces and hands. Allah does not want to place you in difficulty, but He wants to purify you, and to complete His Favour on you that you may be thankful." (Quran 5:6)

The Ayah clearly explaining abliution that we must take before offering Salat It is so clear and direct. Hope u get it... really I really ask Allah to Help u.

Anti-sunnah...wake Up!!!! - Lightuponlight - 08-15-2004

Peace,

Quote:What Dan is talking about is the numerous Ayahs put forth clearly stating Haj rituals that u called paganism. Clearly indicating the sanctity of Kab`a that u refuse to accept.

kaba = ankle/lower foot.

Quote:Now u also deny that Allah, and I dont know why u call Him The GOd. He is Allah

Oh, dear.

Allah is a compound term, consisting of two words, to wit, al (the), and ilah (god/divinity). Ilah is not definite; it can be made plural/femine, so when talking about the one true God of monotheism, the Quran says al-ilah, which is conjugated into Allah. It is not his personal name, LOL! [Image: rolleyes.gif]

Created us to worship Him

U came here telling us Quran is between u and us.

What if the Quran tells u why u were created.

Quote:Now listen LUL may Allah Puts the light in your heart:
"And I (Allah) created not the jinns and humans except they should worship Me (Alone)." (Quran 51:56)

"And they were commanded not, but that they should worship Allah, and worship none but Him Alone (abstaining from ascribing partners to Him), and perform AsSalat (iqamatasSalat) and give Zakat: and that is the right religion." (Quran 98:5)

I am disgusted by these translations. Ritual prayer, religious tithe, worship, 'religion'. These are not to be found in the Arabic.

I did not create the Jinn and the humans except to serve Me 51-6

And they were not commanded except to serve God and be loyal to His Way, monotheists, and uphold the commitments and purify them. Such is the right way. 98-5

It's funny how a few words were altered and manipulated (din = 'religion', serve = worship, commitment = ritual prayer, purification = religious tithe) to turn God's din into a religion of idol worship and pagan rituals.

Also, as for solaa..please point the ayat where The God gives us step by step details on how to do a complete raka unit.

Anyway, I think this will be my last post here. I'm not having trouble with Islam; but with the notion of God in general. [Image: unsure.gif]

Anti-sunnah...wake Up!!!! - Dan - 08-16-2004

Bismillah

024.048

YUSUFALI: When they are summoned to Allah and His messenger, in order that He may judge between them, behold some of them decline (to come).

PICKTHAL: And when they appeal unto Allah and His messenger to judge between them, lo! a faction of them are averse;

SHAKIR: And when they are called to Allah and His Messenger that he may judge between them, lo! a party of them turn aside.

024.049

YUSUFALI: But if the right is on their side, they come to him with all submission.

PICKTHAL: But if right had been with them they would have come unto him willingly.

SHAKIR: And if the truth be on their side, they come to him quickly, obedient.

024.050

YUSUFALI: Is it that there is a disease in their hearts? or do they doubt, or are they in fear, that Allah and His Messenger will deal unjustly with them? Nay, it is they themselves who do wrong.

PICKTHAL: Is there in their hearts a disease, or have they doubts, or fear they lest Allah and His messenger should wrong them in judgment? Nay, but such are evil-doers.

SHAKIR: Is there in their hearts a disease, or are they in doubt, or do they fear that Allah and His Messenger will act wrongfully towards them? Nay! they themselves are the unjust.

024.051

YUSUFALI: The answer of the Believers, when summoned to Allah and His Messenger, in order that He may judge between them, is no other than this: they say, "We hear and we obey": it is such as these that will attain felicity.

PICKTHAL: The saying of (all true) believers when they appeal unto Allah and His messenger to judge between them is only that they say: We hear and we obey. And such are the successful.

SHAKIR: The response of the believers, when they are invited to Allah and His Messenger that he may judge between them, is only to say: We hear and we obey; and these it is that are the successful.

024.052

YUSUFALI: It is such as obey Allah and His Messenger, and fear Allah and do right, that will win (in the end),

PICKTHAL: He who obeyeth Allah and His messenger, and feareth Allah, and keepeth duty (unto Him): such indeed are the victorious.

SHAKIR: And he who obeys Allah and His Messenger, and fears Allah, and is careful of (his duty to) Him, these it is that are the achievers.

024.053

YUSUFALI: They swear their strongest oaths by Allah that, if only thou wouldst command them, they would leave (their homes). Say: "Swear ye not; Obedience is (more) reasonable; verily, Allah is well acquainted with all that ye do."

PICKTHAL: They swear by Allah solemnly that, if thou order them, they will go forth. Say: Swear not; known obedience (is better). Lo! Allah is Informed of what ye do.

SHAKIR: And they swear by Allah with the most energetic of their oaths that if you command them they would certainly go forth. Say: Swear not; reasonable obedience (is desired); surely Allah is aware of what you do.

024.054

YUSUFALI: Say: "Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger: but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Messenger's duty is only to preach the clear (Message).

PICKTHAL: Say: Obey Allah and obey the messenger. But if ye turn away, then (it is) for him (to do) only that wherewith he hath been charged, and for you (to do) only that wherewith ye have been charged. If ye obey him, ye will go aright. But the messenger hath no other charge than to convey (the message) plainly.

SHAKIR: Say: Obey Allah and obey the Messenger; but if you turn back, then on him rests that which is imposed on him and on you rests that which is imposed on you; and if you obey him, you are on the right way; and nothing rests on the Messenger but clear delivering (of the message).

024.055

YUSUFALI: Allah has promised, to those among you who believe and work righteous deeds, that He will, of a surety, grant them in the land, inheritance (of power), as He granted it to those before them; that He will establish in authority their religion - the one which He has chosen for them; and that He will change (their state), after the fear in which they (lived), to one of security and peace: 'They will worship Me (alone) and not associate aught with Me. 'If any do reject Faith after this, they are rebellious and wicked.

PICKTHAL: Allah hath promised such of you as believe and do good work that He will surely make them to succeed (the present rulers) in the earth even as He caused those who were before them to succeed (others); and that He will surely establish for them their religion which He hath approved for them, and will give them in exchange safety after their fear. They serve Me. They ascribe no thing as partner unto Me. Those who disbelieve henceforth, they are the miscreants.

SHAKIR: Allah has promised to those of you who believe and do good that He will most certainly make them rulers in the earth as He made rulers those before them, and that He will most certainly establish for them their religion which He has chosen for them, and that He will most certainly, after their fear, give them security in exchange; they shall serve Me, not associating aught with Me; and whoever is ungrateful after this, these it is who are the. transgressors.

024.056

YUSUFALI: So establish regular Prayer and give regular Charity; and obey the Messenger; that ye may receive mercy.

PICKTHAL: Establish worship and pay the poor-due and obey the messenger, that haply ye may find mercy.

SHAKIR: And keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and obey the Messenger, so that mercy may be shown to you.

Obey the Messenger seems to be pretty obvious here. So when he says for us to pray as we see him to pray then we must obey. It is a command from Allah. I will still pray for you.

Anti-sunnah...wake Up!!!! - Lightuponlight - 08-16-2004

Peace,

It says to obey the messenger...can you please point out the ayats where it says to, obey what OTHERS SAID about the messenger?

Thank you.

Anti-sunnah...wake Up!!!! - Muslimah - 08-19-2004

Ok let us first try to agree on one point, as Dan asked u several times, u totally ignore all the Ayahs regarding Haj rituals which are clearly indicated in many positions. Just re read those posts slowly and carefully. I am astonished as to how come u deny them since u only go by Quran. See how u feel about them.

Insh aAllah will come back to talk more.

O one more point, Lul we dont obey what others say, hadeeth collection science is a very important issue for u to learn about. See they collected the hadeeth following strict rules. Thus we obey the Messenger (salla Allah a`alyhee wa sallam) in what was conveyed to us from him. As we are commanded to do so.

let us agree on one point, r u aware that Quran is true? your reply is yes. Fine if Allah in Quran is commanding us in many positions to obey the Messenger (salla Allah a`alyhee wa sallam), what do u think the form of obedience will be???

let us talk about this point.

Anti-sunnah...wake Up!!!! - Dan - 09-21-2006

Bismillah

"It says to obey the messenger...can you please point out the ayats where it says to, obey what OTHERS SAID about the messenger?"

How did you get the Qur'an? It was transmitted by "others", same for ahadith.

Anti-sunnah...wake Up!!!! - Guest - 06-18-2012

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Turn of the koranitov, power pets, children, "minions of fortune" who probably had never lifted a shovel for a simple physical work. Koranity call themselves rationalists, intellectuals capable of a single motion to change the course of history. People who are imagined to have found one hundredth name of God. They are a tribute and honors which they so wish. They are releasing a series of videos known to the people under the slogan "We do not tengrinatsy, but we are clever." But what these games could lead children rebel against their fathers, we will try to highlight briefly.

So the leader koranitov in one of his movies is challenging, "Statement about America," where in fact we urge Kazakhs to be vassals of the United States. Here we stop the irony and start all over again, revealing malignancy and hatred koranitov to the history of his people and the history of Islam.

In 1988, one of the mosques of America fanatic Sunni Khalifa Rashid kills nobody at that time declared himself the new prophet of Islam, which is like a sci-fi TV series "The truth is somewhere near," opens a "Code 19". Mathematical analysis of the numbers of verses of the Holy Quran has always displays the number 19 (in this case not all over, but koranity make their exceptions to the rule), which he proclaims the one hundredth name of Allah. And on this theory, it proves the whole religious doctrine. Then, this doctrine was quickly taken up and developed a kind of Oedipus Yuksel, a U.S. citizen who paid several visits to the city of Almaty "koranitov horde." By the way, and he often Musin and sew for months in the U.S..

When talking about koranitah, we always, somehow, we write about the U.S. and it's probably not in vain. Because it is so unnatural birth and rapid promotion could not do without some external infusion of scenario development, and without intelligence. Then whose interests are promoted koranity in Kazakhstan? This question we leave open the judgment of readers.

Recently koranitov obvinyayut many sins: it is the use of public instruments, provoking terrorist acts, incitement to religious hatred, deepening within and sectarian conflicts. Lama Sharif himself is referred to koranitam etc. Well let's say, a huge set of confirming their pernicious activities.

The important methods of koranitov in Kazakhstan is to use the levers of government and support for overseas friends, that in itself is strong enough factors in their struggle aqidah you can see a good video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THJ43SiC4Os

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